I'm going out on a limb about this NYC Cabdriver stabbing

[LynneSin]

And if you can point to me where the proof is please let me know.

Does anyone have solid proof, other than what the cabdriver has said, that the stabber first asked if the driver was a Muslim?

[Orrex]

1. What other proof could there be?

I mean, do you suppose that the stabber was tweeting at the time? Or on Skype?


Of course I see your point--we have no way to know, and therein lies the problem...

[Cassandra]

2. No idea but...

you can often tell from the drivers name on his cab id.

[CBGLuthier]

3. Why?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. What motive do you suppose the driver would have to lie to the police?

[LynneSin]

8. Why did some woman claim black male Obama supporters carve a 'B' in her face?

Why did Sharon Smith claim black men hijacked her car?

Why are we assuming we know what was said in the cab when it gets right down to the drivers word and the passenger's word.

When were people presumed guilty before hearing the entire case?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Her motive was to 1. Gain attention, and 2. Discredit Obama in some manner.

I think it's safe to assume that the cab driver:

1. Actually got stabbed

2. Didn't actually stab himself

3. Didn't need any more attention then he was actually getting, given that just got fucking stabbed.

[LynneSin]

17. I don't question the guy was stabbed even though NYC cabs usually have thick glass in them

I just want to understand all the details. What if HE was looking to do this for attention?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. You mean like maybe he conspired with somebody to stab him?

Interesting theory.

:crazy:

[LynneSin]

30. I don't have no theories - just seem to recall most cabs have that thick glass in the middle

and are setup so that the passengers cannot attack the driver.

I mean we know the passenger was in the car because the cabbie was able to lock the passenger in the back.

There are just alot of unanswered questions I'd like to undersatnd before I jump to conclusion on either side.

[arcane1]

14. There is a problem with your examples

They are both cases of perpetrators blaming their actions on fictitious others. In this case, it's a victim making a claim about his attacker.

That being said, you are right. At this point, we do not know what, of anything, the stabber said to his victim.

[CBGLuthier]

5. Let me find my own limb, do you question every woman who says she was raped?

After all, we only have HER word for it.

[LynneSin]

9. Trust me, we have more than just her word and even then a rapest is due his/her day in court

It's very easy to tell when a woman has been raped.

[uncommon]

24. If this were true, we would see a lot more rape convictions.

You or I, talking to a raped woman, might be able to tell, but in the eyes of the law it is not so easy to tell.

[dmallind]

No it really isn't.

Plenty of rape victims have no more evidence (and need no more!) than would also be present after consensual sex. A woman need not be beaten bloody to be raped.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Hmm no, no it is not

and yes I have taken care of rape victims, both male and female... how 'bout you?

From looking at any of them, you could not tell.

Oh and don't get me started with the every so popular evidence kit... there is a reason why a lot of them are never obtained.

[Iggo]

39. It's hard to tell if she was raped because she was Muslim, though.

I think that's the proper comparison.

[CBGLuthier]

44. Oh really? Very easy to tell rape from rough sex?

How so is this ease achieved?

And I guess it is very easy to tell when a muslim cabbie lies also.

[uncommon]

26. Most people do actually.

[pipi_k]

29. And we all know that women NEVER lie about being raped.

Just ask those young men on the Duke lacrosse team.

Or, more recently, Al Gore.


There's nothing quite as exciting as a bit of unfounded outrage...

[Dawgs]

6. Agree. Something about this story tells me that it really didn't happen as he said.

We'll see. :hi:

[Beetwasher]

7. A Lot Of NYC Cabs Now Have Cameras

I don't know yet if this one did, or if it was caught on tape, but we'll see.

I dunno, I find it believable considering the frothing hate that's being stirred up.

[LynneSin]

11. I never said it wasn't true. I've just been down this path before...

..and found out there was alot of embellishment that happens.

I'd rather hear this case out before I make assumptions.

[Beetwasher]

12. Yeah, But When Has Something Actually Being TrueEver Stopped The Media

From reporting it breathlessly when it's seems to benefit Repubs?

[LynneSin]

16. Oh so true - just like the girl who carved a 'B' in her face

it would be intersting to see if he had a camera.

And I don't doubt the cabbie was stabbed. Just would like to hear all of the evidence first.

[Beetwasher]

22. Imagine Is A Supposed Muslim Stabbed A White Christian Yesterday

Would the media wait for facts before plastering it wall to wall?

How much do you wanna bet that the media is gonna be all "Let's not jump to conclusions" now that it's a muslim that was stabbed.

Not saying your personal position is wrong, just drawing the double standard with the media.

And yes, the "B" girls is a perfect example of the double standard.

[LynneSin]

31. I agree with you 100%, this would be alot worse if it was your example

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[LynneSin]

19. Wait- you live in NYC. Don't NYC cabs have thick glass between the 2 areas?

I mean I guess the guy could have stabbed thru the seat but that's alot of work to get thru that and most cab drivers usually have seat cushions on top of their driver seats.

[Beetwasher]

23. Some Do, Some Don't, Some Leave Them Open

It depends.

The Yellow cabs usually have them, but they many of them can be opened. Also, there are other types of cabs, care services etc. that don't have them.

[aquart]

28. We've gone a lot of years without killing Muslims in this town.

And if you think we weren't upset about 9/11, please think again.

Now our current roster of hate crimes is mainly toward Hispanic day laborers, and, of course, gays.

But would I be surprised if some out-of-town idiot came in for a day to kill and maybe do a show? No, I wouldn't.

[mmonk]

10. So I guess the guy just has a hatred of cabbies?

The fact the victim is Muslim a coincidence?

[LynneSin]

15. I'm just saying we all played 'judge jury & executioner' without hearing all the evidence

And to be honest, I'm not saying the cab driver is lying. I'm just saying I haven't heard both sides of the story.

[mmonk]

25. I'm sure we will.

[aquart]

33. We lose a lot more cabbies than Muslims to murder.

That's why we've installed all that stuff in cabs. To cut down on the murders.

[mmonk]

37. But do you lose them in this manner?

I'm sure cabbies pick up all sorts of people, both good and bad. Also, I don't get the point about others get killed more than Muslims get killed.

[EOTE]

18. You're right. I'm guessing the guy simply didn't like the cabby's driving style.

You're not going to find any solid proof in a case like this, of course. But Occam's Razor tells me that the "official" story is correct. Why on earth would you doubt it?

[LynneSin]

21. I'm not saying either side is right or wrong. Just keeping an open mind

that's all.

[EOTE]

35. Certainly there's a chance that the guy is lying.

There's ALWAYS a chance in he said, she said (or he said, he said) cases like this that one of the parties will lie. However, I've seen nothing about this case that makes me doubt what the victim has said. And he, being the victim, I would think would be the more credible party.

[LynneSin]

40. So you assume that as long as one is a victim they always tell the truth?

hmmm......

that assuming can get us in alot of trouble.

Wouldn't it be better that instead of errecting a statue to the cabdriver as being some sort of hero we just watch this story with open eyes and open minds and find out what happens. They already found the facebook page of the stabber, a member of progressive parties who works for a pro-Park51 community center group. Sounds like your typical teabagger doesn't it :eyes:

And I'm not saying one of us is right and the other is wrong. What I am saying is that there are 2 sides to every story and then there is the truth. We may never ever know the entire truth of what happened but right now we only know one side and to me that is not enough.

[EOTE]

41. People make assumptions all the time, without trouble.

It's acting out on those assumptions that can cause problems. Without a doubt, you make assumptions all the time as well. People wouldn't live very long without making assumptions.

Who the hell is talking about erecting a statue to the cab driver? I've heard NO ONE here hailing him as a hero. What I am seeing a lot of is people who are rather pissed that this attack took place and are rightly blaming it on this tide of hatred coming from fox and talk radio.

I don't give a fuck who the stabber is, he's a raging asshole. You seem to be going out of your way to excuse his actions. It's indefensible.

[chowder66]

27. More info from TPM

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/cabbie_stabbed_for_being_muslim_i_feel_very_sad_1.php?ref=fpblg

Also, since he is charged with a hate crime maybe the police have substantial info for that charge....?

[TheKentuckian]

32. How would we? Not saying you may not be right cab drivers are assaulted all the time for unrelated

reasons but it is totally in the wheelhouse of possibility and should be taken seriously at this time.

[EC]

34. I'm sure that is what is holding up the charges being filed

i.e. rather to file as a hate-crime, attempted murder or assault depending on motive and degree of injury.

[LynneSin]

36. Seems the stabber worked for a Pro-51 park group and a liberal

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9013515#9013587

I think perhaps there is more to this store that we need to hear all of it and stop makign assumptions.

[mmonk]

42. I haven't seen proof he is a liberal.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

45. bump

[mmonk]

43. Most people when hearing of something like this don't tend

to assume there was something wrong with the victim. I was wondering what made you gravitate to that thinking so quickly?