If you are not in Florida please dont sit on your high horse and damn us to a TeaBagger

[NightWatcher]

I keep reading about voting for the Dem over anyone, but if it's between Rubio and Crist, dont waste a vote on "ideals".

Sure, send tons of cash to Meek and help him in every way you can up until the election, but dont damn us to a TeaBagger. PLEASE!

[Tony_FLADEM]

1. I am in Florida and I'm voting for Charlie Crist

I don't like Jeff Greene but I voted for him yesterday in the hopes he would win the Democratic Nomination and help Charlie Crist.

[ChiciB1]

33. And I Totally Understand! Meek Is Pretty DLC, Crist Has Been Very

moderate despite his switch.... AND I've heard others say exactly what you just said! My comment below is TRUE! SEVEN of my friends ARE voting for Crist rather than Meek! I HAVE argued with them, they don't want to switch Parties, they just don't want Rubio!

Also, they don't think Meek is very Progressive or a strong candidate! I'm still on the fence, even though I will work for Meek! But I wonder if I'm just setting myself up for ANOTHER FALL!!

One month from now, I will make my decision!

[RockaFowler]

2. Well I'm voting for the Democrat

And last I checked there was only 1 Democrat in the race. The election is 2 months away. All Rubio or Crist have to do is cancel each other out and Meek wins. He did beat Greene and his warchest of money!!!

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3. Other than contributions what impact would somebody outside of Florida have?

:crazy:


Vote for who you want, but on the intertubes I am going to support the Democrat in the race.

[ChiciB1]

4. I COULDN'T Agree More... Here's Something I Just Posted At Another Thread...

I made several comments at the same thread BEFORE the results, still knowing the outcome, some facts can't be denied!
SORRY I don't know how to post bold correctly, must have done something wrong... but here it is anyway! Also, I need to see the numbers for the Democratic voting side. I've heard it wasn't very high, but don't have proof yet.

ALSO, IMO Meek Didn't Win Yesterday, Greene Simply BLEW It!
While some will say that Florida isn't really a "southern" state because we have so many transplants from up north, there IS racism here! I see it, I hear it and I abhor it!! I'll even give you an example of something that I SAW & HEARD recently!! I took my 19 month old grandson to Mote Marine just last week, and they have a small pool for the kids there. There were quite a few blacks splashing around, and behind me I heard something awful! What I heard was this, an actual quote "well I guess they didn't get all of the oil spill cleaned of after all!" THINK ABOUT IT!!

I didn't want to make a big scene, but I just couldn't let the remark go without having to say something. I turned around and spoke to the person and told them that perhaps THEY should leave because I HEARD that people with WHITE SKIN were getting rashes from swimming in waters that have been contaminated!

My son-in-law works in the ER room as a critical care nurse, and they HAVE actually been seeing people come in with rashes after they swam in the Gulf! I live close to the Gulf and haven't seen any tar balls, but we do know that because of the use of Corexit that there are big plumes out there!

But for people to make THAT kind of comment in front of many people, not only is racist but also shows that they don't even try to hide it!!

Obama did win Florida, but I attribute that to the Rock Star quality of the race he ran. Living in a Ruby Red county, I doubt even Obama could win as a DOG CATCHER here!!

Now, I'm going to share more bad news for Meek! I PERSONALLY know 7 people who didn't even bother to vote in the Primary yesterday, even when I mentioned that there were other candidates that needed their votes to win! They had no problem with Meek's skin color, their explanation was that they simply don't think he can win in the General! PERCEPTION!!!!

We will have to wait and see if he gains any traction now, but I wonder if having Obama come here to campaign for him will be a PLUS or not!!

Greene just had LOTS of money and might have pulled it off if his association with Tyson hadn't come out! For a while there was only 1% difference between Greene and him! From what I'm seeing, at this point in time, Meek has to climb a mountain to win in the General! Recall I said 7 people didn't vote, well everyone of them said they are going to vote for Crist, REGARDLESS! I'm still on the fence myself, but if it looks like Meek is behind Rubio & Crist by more than 5 pts., I think I'm going to have to go with Crist too!

RUBIO is just that much of a FEAR for me and many other Democrats in this state! And let me add, I REALLY wish this wasn't a problem for Meek, but so far he just hasn't been a very strong candidate! I worked hard AGAINST Crist when he ran for Governor, and NEVER thought I could EVER entertain the thought of voting for him.... EVER!!

Crist may well be a snake, but he's been much more moderate than I thought he would ever be! PERCEPTION is a HUGE factor in this race and how he'll do in debates will really be his downfall, or salvation!

Just sayin'...

[WolverineDG]

18. Excuse me, you think racism only exists in the South?

"While some will say that Florida isn't really a "southern" state because we have so many transplants from up north, there IS racism here!"

:wtf:

dg

[ChiciB1]

26. I Think You Missed What I Was Saying! People Here Don't Consider Florida

Alabama, Mississippi or the other ultra conservative, racist states! AND, I KNOW there is racism everywhere, I'm not stupid! Overall, Florida does seem more tolerant than some of the states I mentioned!

I'm just saying Meek's race could very well be a factor here, where it would be a very HUGE factor in some other super southern states!

I'm not trying to stir the pot, I'm just making an observation!

[Kalyke]

20. Ummm.... there is racism up North, too.

Therefore, Northerners moving into Florida just could be Yankee racists.

I'm so tired of DUers assuming that the majority of us Southerners are racists - we're not. We have more people of color who live in our states and they're not racists. Couple them with us whites who aren't racist and you'll see that the majority of us are NOT racist.

The problem with the South is that it's infinitely more rural than most places up North. Same is true of the mid-West. And, as any thinking DUer should know: rural areas are more conservative than urban areas. Even in the South, our urban areas are far more "blue" - just as in the North.

And, no one's ever answered me regarding Nixon's so-called "Southern Strategy." If it was so great, why didn't the South vote Republican as a block until 1994 - 20-some-odd years after Nixon was elected? Because the "Southern Strategy" didn't work, that's why.

What changed the South was hate radio and commuterism. No where can one turn on non-satellite talk radio in the South - outside of Atlanta and Memphis - and hear anything other than rightwing bullshit. And, it's been that way since 1992/93.

Want to educate the South? Purchase a radio station and program it with more progressive shows during drive-time.

[ChiciB1]

27. To Which I Can't Disagree!! But FWIW, I Do Think Race Has Become A

larger issue since Obama got elected. It wasn't as prevalent BEFORE he got elected, but I think we all know how hard the issued it being pushed by Faux News, and right wing idiots!

I'm not saying I have a crystal ball, I'm just saying "I" think it's going to be more difficult for Meek now than it might have been a year ago.

So shoot me, it's just any opinion!

[T Wolf]

5. In terms of the Statehouse, I agree. Governors have a lot of power to do great harm (see Fatboy C)

in NJ for an example. November is a ways off and much can happen. If, on November 1, it is hopeless, then a move of Dems to Crist might make sense - but only if Sink is way down with no hope of victory.

On the other hand, I see no downside to the repuke teabagger winning the Senate nomination from his party. It's not like a teabag senator would be any worse than any other repuke - Murkowski didn't support any Democratic bills, anyway. And the bagger does present an easier target and a weaker opponent for the Democrat.

[HooptieWagon]

40. Crist is running for US Senate, not FL Gov.

Sink currently has a solid lead in the Gov race.

People who don't live in FL should STFO of FL's elections. You all don't know the players. Rubio would be a freaking disaster as US Senator. Voting for Crist to keep a teabagger white supremacist out of the US Senate is just as valid as as voting for Meek (if not more so). If Meek mounts a credible campaign, Dems will vote for him... if not, they will back Crist.

[Ganja Ninja]

6. Screw that!

I'm voting for a Democrat, Meek! The election is still 2 months away and you're ready to surrender before the polls open.

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7. It's easier that way. Crist is less worser/dangerouser than Rubio.

Settle on Crist and then you don't have to work for the election!

[2Design]

9. meek is not going for governor - he is congress n/t

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11. In House, running for Senate. nt.

[Ganja Ninja]

17. Meek, Rubio and Christ are all running for the Senate. n/t

[11 Bravo]

24. You're voting for Meek for Governor? Good luck with that.

[Ganja Ninja]

41. Where in the OP or in my reply is there any mention of the governors race?

:shrug:

[2Design]

8. wish the other dem had won the primary instead of Alex Sink BUT

Mark Rubio would be a nightmare worse than BFEE - Read up on the other Dem and he had some great ideas - very progressive

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10. Sink won the nomination for Governor

Meek won the nomination for US Senate.

Greene tried to buy the nomination and he has a questionable past.

[2Design]

12. yes I know - I wanted the other dem going for governor n/t

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14. Then you are in the wrong thread. This is about Rubio/Crist/Meek (US Senate)

[MadHound]

13. It's not about damning you to a teabagger,

It is the hypocrisy of the situation. Why is it OK for Dems around here to support a 'Pug in Crist, yet if a leftist wants to support a truly liberal candidate, albeit third party, that is wrong.

It's the hypocrisy that burns.

You don't want a teabagger, fine, work your ass off and elect Meek. But taking the easy way out by whining about how Meek can't win, no, sorry, that doesn't fly.

[ChiciB1]

29. We Will Work For Meek... But If He Can't Motivate People & Get His MoJo

going, we can't make him a better candidate! It's really a VERY DICEY situation here! So forgive me if his numbers are low and we are facing off between Rubio & Crist, Democrats most likely will take Crist!! For a Repuke, he has been more moderate than I ever thought he would be! Still he was a Repuke and I UNDERSTAND!!

Just thinking about Rubio winning scares the HELL out of me!! I lived here for many years and I'm SICK of having to deal with CRAP like this!!

And Meek does seem to be pretty DLC. I WANT him to FIGHT LIKE HELL, and make us proud to elect him, but as I said before PERCEPTION is what it's all about!!

Maybe he'll come through a look a lot stronger now, but up until now I've seen very little fight! THAT'S NOT MY FAULT!! I got ONE phone call from him, and TWO flyers throughout his whole Primary campaign! Maybe he was saving his money for the General, we shall see!

[Radical Activist]

15. But it isn't between Rubio and Crist.

And unless Meek drops out, it never will be.

[WolverineDG]

16. My fellow DUers from Florida have my support

Unfortunately, all I can do right now is wish you all the best & help you fight back against those who don't know what it's like to live in Red State Hell. Best of luck, guys!

dg (from Texas, another favorite target)

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19. psssssssst....

Barbara Ann Radnofsky for Texas AG!



http://www.radnofsky.com/




:)

[ChiciB1]

30. Thank You For Understanding! BTW, I Grew Up In Killeen, TX...

Go back for my class reunions, but would never go back for any other reason! Sometimes I think I'm jinxed... can't win for losing!!

[Touchdown]

21. Considering Election 2000, whatever you Floridians do, affects the rest of us.

So if you think a closet case, conservative anorexic is better than a Democrat, just keep in mind the rest of us have to live with your decision for 6 years... just like we had to live with your fuck up's brother for 8 years because Florida forgot what BUSH actually meant. All I can say is I hope you know what your doing. Alan Grayson is wonderful. Katherine Harris... not so much.

[metapunditedgy]

22. It's a talking point collision!!!

"If you vote independent, you're just supporting the Republicans!"

"If you don't vote for Crist, you're just supporting the Republicans!"

What's the sensible thing to do???

How do I know whom to vote for when people are telling me two different things???

[The Backlash Cometh]

23. I'm voting for Meek.

You have a choice between a weasel candidate who owes his existence to crooked Republicans and false Democrats in Florida or a Tea Bagger or Meek.

All the Dems have to do is vote Democratic and push Crist's corrupt pal factor and you will win.

And, yes, I've lived in Florida long enough to be screwed over by both parties.

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. This is DEMOCRATIC Underground, not Independent Underground

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28. Amen

And who knows how truly "Independent" Crist will be if he is elected. Chameleons are always the same color at home.

[NightWatcher]

31. what would be better for the DEMOCRATIC party, a repuke or indy?

step back and look Big Picture

[ChiciB1]

36. And Therein Lies The Rub!! LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE! n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

39. Feel free to support independent candidates running against Democrats

But it is against DU rules to do that here.

[Motown_Johnny]

32. a tie is better than a loss, I'll give you that

Crist isn't a win for us but it isn't a win for th (R)s either.

If it the best we can do then it is the best we can do. FL is to important a state (electorally) to allow an (R) win when we can play for the tie.


I don't live in FL but I am with you on this one. (although we all would like the win)

[NightWatcher]

34. of course we want a win, but..... (thx for seeing my side)

[tallahasseedem]

35. You are absolutely correct...

I voted for Meek yesterday, but he has no shot. I will be holding my nose when I vote for Crist.

[LWolf]

37. I can't help but sit on my high horse.

She's tall. If she were shorter, I'd sit on my low horse. Her mother is lower, but I don't sit on her anymore. She's retired.

Generally, though, when I'm sitting on my high horse, neither of us is thinking about Florida.

As far as Floridian's go, I'm not going to presume to tell you how to vote.

[Bluenorthwest]

38. I think of you as people who vote for Crist.

And he's a Republican. I don't vote for Republicans. A Democrat who does is worse than a Tea Bagger in my book. The rest of us have our own opinion about why so many do not want to vote for Meek. Deal with it. It is your choice.

[quaker bill]

42. I am not so impressed with Charley's chances

Rubio has his base. The folks that have traditionally given Charley win after win, are now backing a different horse. Unless Charley shows me that he can drive Rubio's numbers down with the (R)s, I am voting for Meek. Meek has a base that will not turn out for Charley and polls poorly. This is why the pre-primary polls showed a far closer race than the final result. Charley's base polls easy, and he is not doing all that well with them.