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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 01:46 PM
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Is A Double-Dip Recession—Or Worse—Finally Here?


Is A Double-Dip Recession—Or Worse—Finally Here?
Reading the tea leaves on the dismal state of American economy.
By Andy Kroll
August 25, 2010

So what to make of all this grim news? Has the economic recovery temporarily stalled? Are we headed for a double-dip recession—or worse?

That, of course, depends on whom you ask. In the past few days, though, a chorus of economists have voiced increasingly pessimistic views on where the economy is headed. Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics and a former McCain aide, said on Monday that the housing market was headed for a "double-dip" of its own as the last effects of the federal government's first-time homebuyer tax credit finally escape the housing market. "We probably, almost assuredly, will experience more house price declines," Zandi told CNBC. "By those two criteria, I think that would qualify as a double dip."

The chance of that housing double dip spreading to the economy as a whole in increasing, says Charles Evans, president of the Chicago Federal Reserve. Evans didn't say outright that a double-dip is nigh—indeed, Evans suggested a tepid recovery of sorts was still likely—but his outlook was gloomy. "A double dip is not the most likely outcome, but I am concerned about how strong the recovery will be," he said.

What's left of the recovery, that is. Josh Bivens, an economist with the Economic Policy Institute, says the latest data show that "at best, the economic growth is decelerating." The history of past booms and busts indicate that most recoveries begin ramping up at this point, but the current US' rebound is withering away, with the stimulus having all but run its course and billions of dollars in federal homeowner relief programs having little effect. "We're really looking at the economy downshifting pretty severely just as a lot of this support ends," Bivens said.

Then there are the pure pessimists. Economist David Rosenberg of Gluskin Sheff, an international investment firm, recently likened the economy's current state to Depression of the 1930s. In an investors briefing, Rosenberg described today's "overall economic malaise" as "a depression, and not just some garden-variety recession." He cited a 1930 stock rally and increases in the US' gross domestic product during the Great Depression—both of which we've seen in the past year or so. "We may well be reliving history here," Rosenberg wrote.

Dean Baker, who co-directs the Center for Economic and Policy Research in Washington, says warnings of a new depression miss the mark. "It's kind of silly because the 1930s wasn't just an event; it was a decade of policy failure," Baker says. What does worry Baker is the US' depressingly low economic growth in recent months—and the scant evidence that a rebound is imminent. "With the stimulus peaking out and beginning to wear off," Baker says, "we're going into end of the year with really low growth." The solution, according to Baker? "We need a lot more money, probably need another stimulus bigger than the first one." (The Congressional Budget Office, it's worth noting, said on Tuesday that the stimulus boosted GDP by between 1.7 and 4.5 percent in second quarter of 2010.) If the government fails to act, for political reasons or otherwise, it'll be policymakers who'll shoulder the blame, Baker says. If economic growth in the US does turn negative, he adds, "that's not something that happens to you; it's something that you do to yourself."

Read the full article at:

http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/08/double-dip-recession-housing-economy-zandi

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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 02:07 PM
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1. From What I'm Seeing Here In Florida... It's NOT Getting Better...
ONLY WORSE!! Unemployment is higher here than many other states! One relative of mine, who is renting which is a good thing, just filed bankruptcy!

Another neighbor of mine bought their home for $300,000 and then put about $100,000 in repairs into is. Her mother died and left her house to them so they moved away and also filed bankruptcy! The house here has been on the market for almost two years and they finally got an offer for $181,000! And they have to give that to the bank!

Another neighbor lost his job, but he was able to get a couple of his friends together and they have started a very small business, but he doesn't work all the time! He worked as a representative for a brick paver company, and now is laying the brick with his buddies! His wife had her hours cut back and she doesn't work full time. They are struggling, but hanging in there.

I just got my ad-valorem taxes and was shocked at how low the home values have dropped! Not complaining about that, but I do have 5 acres I would love to sell, but it looks like we'll be paying the taxes on it for another year! We bought the land as an investment in '89 and I wouldn't dare put it on the market now!

Where once we felt we were middle class, now WE AREN'T!! We just happen to have been living in the same home for 26 years and we can hang onto our house! Still we're not buying anything we don't need, and don't go out at all anymore! My husband picks up side jobs to do, and I do too! I have a green thumb and I'm working on starting new plants and we will have a garage sale in October! Usually plants go like hot cakes, but we shall see! My husband is kind of a "jack of all trades" and people come to him to fix things up more now than ever. It costs them more going to other places for repairs!

So, we are hanging in here, but so many people are struggling in my neighborhood! While the county I live in is a "rich" one, where we live isn't high end at all! House prices just got jacked up and when the crunch came, those who bought high couldn't make it!

I miss my friends who've had to leave!

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 02:10 PM
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2. NEVER EVER VOTE GOP....they caused this shit... situation same in Hawaii..GOP Gov Lingle a disaster
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 02:11 PM
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3. TARP committed a total of $598,274,417,298. $545,122,508,408 was disbursed...
If the total committed was divided among 310,000,000 Americans, we each would have received $1,930.

I don't know about you but that $1,930 would have gone a long way in my household to pay down some debt and purchasing much needed items (i.e., kitchen appliances). This would have helped the economy much more than giving these billions to failed capitalists who in turn gave themselves bonuses...
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 02:37 PM
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4. Oh but you know how we middle income types are
Edited on Wed Aug-25-10 02:39 PM by truedelphi
We would have spent it on lottery tickets, booze, or cigs.

Or so the elite would tell us, as they carry off those trillions to their homes in the French Riviera.
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