When white supremacist & former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard

[cboy4]

David Dukes dies, I sure hope the DUers who are all somber about Jerry Falwell's death are just as warm
and fuzzy and sentimental about this piece of garbage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

I'm seriously appalled by the number of posts suggesting even gay people should sympathize Falwell's
passing ----- even though this hate monger made a career (and a lot of money) of terrorizing myself and
my fellow LGBT brothers and sisters every chance he got.

I will NEVER forget when he said AIDS is God's way of punishing homosexuals. How disgusting.

Where was this level of outrage from some of you Jerry Falwell sympathizers when Matthew Shepard was savagely
beaten to death and left tied to a fence like a scarecrow, simply because he was gay?

There are far more threads about Falwell dying than there were when a 21 year old kid named Matthew had the shit
kicked out of him, simply because he happened to have been gay. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard

David Duke is to black people what Jerry Falwell was to gay people:

A monster.

So the day David Duke packs his bag for hell, I hope some of you act just as distraught when you compose his obit thread/post.

I'll be reading.

[JackBeck]

1. But we should have compassion, because he was "our neighbor".

:eyes:

[LostinVA]

3. Oh, I forgot, Jack

Sorry.

[JackBeck]

9. We should just shut-up and get over it.

Our American Hitler has died.

[LostinVA]

10. Hannity tells us that we should do, so I guess we should listen to him

[Maven]

45. What WILL Hannity think of DU?

OMG.

[LostinVA]

2. Exactly, Cboy -- there's no difference at all

Hitler. Stalin. Certain Tutsu Rwandans. I believe Falwell deserves his place in that vile pantheon. NO ONE on this board would tell someone Jewish to STFU about Hitler, but yet soooo many posters on here are rushing to tell those of us who were victims of Falwell's hate to STFU and rise above it. Rise above what??? The man preached hate and intolerance and evilness, and was an architect for all that is now wrong in this country. He didn't preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ -- but he did co-opt it and twist it and degrade it into a whirlwind of hate and vitriol and EVIL. His actions directly impact my life.

I don't believe in Hell, but today is one day I wish I did, because Falwell deserves to burn in damnation for eternity.

Victims of an oppressor have a right to be glad that oppressor is dead.

[jojo54]

4. He's another one with illusions of grandeur. n/t

[yardwork]

5. I'm sure that we'll have lots of pious handwringers and concern trolls then, too

Personally, I'm nauseated with the holier-than-thou posts and threads. Who appointed all these folks king of etiquette?

I believe in the old saying, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all," so I was silent on the subject here at DU until today. When my coworker - who knows that I am gay - called out to the office, "Oh no! Jerry Falwell died! My mother will be so sad. She just loved him. He was a wonderful man!" I didn't say a word.

However, the post that finally was the last straw for me was the one comparing anyone speaking against Falwell to Fred Phelps. Apparently, I am "just as bad as Fred Phelps" unless I'm shedding crocodile tears over Jerry Falwell's passing.

Well fuck that.

[LostinVA]

11. Victims of an oppressor have a right to be glad that oppressor is dead

EOM.

[spoony]

6. I will not stoop to the grotesque displays of celebration

that I saw yesterday for anyone's death. Never.

[cboy4]

12. If you haven't written anything pouring your heart out about

the tragic death of Falwell, then my comment is not directed toward you.

I don't think anyone is suggesting you have an obligation to celebrate.

Certainly I'm not.

[mondo joe]

25. Consider: You have mystified death.

Death, especially a death as natural as Falwell's, is an ordinary part of life and nature.

I fail to see the sanctity around death that prohibits some delight that an evil-doer is gone.

[swimboy]

29. You're dispassionate. Now show a little disinterest in OUR passion.

Thanks.

[yardwork]

30. Very good point. Thank you for making it so well.

[William769]

7. Very well said.

It is a shame though that it had to be said.

[melody]

8. Falwell hated everyone but white heterosexual male Republicans

I also suspect some of the "mourners" were not DU'ers.

Falwell was a piece of crap. I shed no tears over his carcass. I just wish he'd lived a little longer so
Bob Wilson's ashes could have been flung in his face.

[underpants]

13. He suggested that *I* was at fault for 9/11

and I supposed to play nice with him? I don't think so.

He blamed YOU and me and everyone who dare think like us or not think like he tells them to for 9/11-we were somehow responsible, WE did that

And Pat Robertson sat right there beside him and said "I concur"

I'm sorry but I don't need anything more to tell me that that is all I need to know about him.

[ComerPerro]

35. c'mon Underpants, fess up. Why did you do 9/11?

[tom_paine]

53. He did it because he is really a top Bushevik Operative.

Because he had his orders, to help bin Laden plan 9-11 for the Bushies and ensure our National Security Apparatus would be tied up in Phony Drills all morning so they couldn't tell real from simulation.

Same reason his Bushie Masters told him to anthrax the people who printed pictures of the Imperial Drunken Daughters first before going after Democratic Senators and the so-called "liberal media" right after 9-11.

:rofl:

:hi: ComerPerro

:hi: underpants

[porphyrian]

14. Yeah, I'm real concerned about your judgement.

Get down off the horse already. And, yes, I will definitely party when that piece of shit dies.

[cboy4]

17. Oh my gosh. How will I ever sleep tonight knowing that

porphyrian is concerned about my judgement?! :eyes:

[porphyrian]

18. I don't care, and that was my point about what you think. - n/t

[cboy4]

32. I hope for your sake, they find someone just as hateful to

take over for your hero, Adolph Falwell.

In real life, I'd definitely call you a homophobe, but tragically I can't because telling the truth in this situation is reportedly against DU rules. :(

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[cboy4]

39. I'm the one who's stupid?

That's a good one.

[porphyrian]

43. You have no idea. - n/t

[Jamastiene]

81. Don't you just love how this poster is continually

calling us stupid? How does it feel for you to be put in the dunce category just for merely asking a question? To me, it sucks. I alerted down thread. All I did was ask a simple question and got called stupid. When will I ever learn? :eyes:

[Maven]

47. So you're part of the "respect Falwell because he's dead" crowd,

but you'll celebrate when Duke dies?

Explain.

[porphyrian]

50. What?! How did you invent that?

I'm part of the "don't get on you high horse and preach to me about how I should or shouldn't react, random anonymous fuck on the internet" group. I'm also joining the "bewildered at how fucking stupid people seem to be in their leaps of logic" group based on my experiences on this stupid thread.

[Maven]

52. Then you basically agree with the OP and others like him.

WE are the ones saying "don't get on your high horse and preach to me about how I should or shouldn't react" while others tell us we should restrain ourselves out of "respect" for this man.

I don't see the disagreement, or the need for such an aggressive posture.

[porphyrian]

54. No, as I thought I made clear in my original post on this idiot thread, I don't agree.

The guy's trying to preach to me about what I should or shouldn't do, and it isn't their fucking place or business. He was so smart that he didn't understand that, and now here you are jumping in with your useless two cents speculating about what I thought was obvious from the beginning. I don't see the need for your opinion.

[Maven]

55. Oh, OK, then next time I won't give you the benefit of the doubt.

Clearly all you want to do is act like a fucking asshole. BTW, no one asked you to post on this thread, genius. No one asked for YOUR worthless and poorly articulated opinion. (Maybe if you could express yourself more effectively, you wouldn't encounter confusion.) Next time why don't you just press the "back" button and move on with your life, and spare us all the grief.

[Name removed]

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[Maven]

59. Not on your life, you little punk.

You're useless and you have nothing worthwhile to say. Be gone.

[porphyrian]

60. Ha! That's priceless. - n/t

[cboy4]

62. I love watching people lose arguments. The name calling is the

first sign of defeat.

Maybe with practice, you can elevate yourself to below average debate status.

Then you won't necessarily have to resort to name-calling when you run out of facts as what happened today.

Best of luck! :thumbsup:

[porphyrian]

63. You don't define anything in my life, despite your repeated attempts to do so.

Keep believing you're more than you are. You seem to need it.

[cboy4]

64. Nope. That's a D response. You need a lot more practice before

you can compete.

Come on porphyrian! You can do it! LOL (I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing with you. Yea, that's it.) :)

[porphyrian]

65. As I said, you don't get to grade me, either.

Keep trying, though, if it makes you feel better. It's keeping your self-righteous thread kicked.

[cboy4]

67. Actually, each of your angry responses is keeping it kicked, so

I couldn't be more appreciative.

I'm trying to get a bunch of the people who have you on ignore to play, but they refuse. :cry:

[porphyrian]

69. You are smart! You figured it out after I told you! Brilliant! - n/t

[Maven]

70. Listen, as long as you're still around

Make yourself useful and get me a beer.

[porphyrian]

71. OK, hold your breath until I get there. - n/t

[Maven]

72. Okay.

Make it something imported. You can use the service entrance.

[LostinVA]

79. Oh man

This made me laugh.

[LostinVA]

78. At least I know who it is, thanks to you

I'm sorry my Ignore List is sacrosanct!!!

[Jamastiene]

76. So, what's the difference YOU see between Falwell and Duke?

"And, yes, I will definitely party when that piece of shit dies."

Both are hate mongers who whip people into a hate frenzy by playing to their prejudices. :shrug:

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[Jamastiene]

82. What about asking a simple question makes me stupid, exactly?

And btw, you still didn't answer my question. Why would it be ok for you to dance on Duke's grave but not for others to dance on Falwell's grave? You are the one who made your comment. I asked a simple question. The least you could do is back it up or admit your defeat and your hypocrisy.

[porphyrian]

86. I haven't specified what makes you stupid. That's your adventure.

And "btw," I know.

[mudesi]

15. People here sympathize with him because he was "Christian"

Let's face it, with religion comes a kind of BORG-like groupthink that permeates even an otherwise most clear headed person. Because he put "reverend" before his name, and because his hate speech was disguised as "Christianity", people who identify themselves as Christian will give him a pass, even if they completely disagree with everything he ever said.

In short, they don't see him as an evil man or an ogre, but rather as a misguided man who truly believed what he was preaching and with whom they simply disagreed with. Thus he ought to be "respected" in death, or we "ought to be better than that", or some other such nonsense. The fact is that Jerry Falwell's hate mongering was different from Osama Bin Laden's only by degree, and in some cases, not a big one. But Osama calls himself "Muslim", which people don't identify with, and therefore, wouldn't sympathize for Osama's family (for example) in the same way they do for Mr. Falwell's.

It also doesn't help that the media gave him and continues to give him credibility, or that the GOP gained power because of him.

[cboy4]

20. I'm glad to see you put the word "Christian" in

quotation marks when referring to that horrible human being.

Good post.

[bullwinkle428]

16. Thanks, cboy - I think some of those here who are

doing the "tsk-tsking" may be on the younger side and only know him for the 9/11 statement and the ridiculous comments on the Teletubbies; NOT that ignorance ever gives one a pass, but it's essential that those who are quick to condemn our "non-mourning" (WHICH IS QUALITATIVELY DIFFERENT FROM "CELEBRATING") learn exactly what this guy was all about.

[mudesi]

19. My guess would be they are on the older side

I honestly doubt that it's the younger folk doing the denunciating.

[bullwinkle428]

75. In that case, I have even more of a problem with it, as they really

should know what he was all about...

[TahitiNut]

21. What would we DUers do without the Self-Righteousness Wars??

:crazy:

[semillama]

22. Actually, Falwell didn't like black people all that much either. n/t

[cboy4]

33. That wouldn't surprise me at all, but I decided to focus on the

gay because, well, I am gay and he was Lucifer to us.

[blondeatlast]

42. Did he actually like ANYBODY?

I'm as ordinary an adult woman as you cna get, and I know he despised me. He despised others far worse than he did me.

I won't speak personal ill of the dead, but his actions are plentiful enough I don't need to.

[Bluebear]

23. Stop!! You're making DU LOOK BAD!

:eyes:

[cboy4]

34. I know! How can I possibly sleep knowing I've insulted

all of the homophobe Freeptards, et al.

[Dorian Gray]

24. Who is saying sympathize or celebrate their lives?

There's a difference between not saying anything at all (or even caring about it) vs. actively celebrating. I pretty much choose the former. I didn't like Falwell or what he had to say about... anything, but I don't feel the need to whoop it up over his death. I just find it to be.... disturbing.

[noamnety]

44. nobody - it's a straw man

Some people are having trouble with the concept that "he was a miserable bigoted bastard" isn't a warm fuzzy sentimental gush of love for the man if it isn't accompanied by the whooping and party hats.

One of my VFP friends was at Buchenwald when WWII ended. There was no warm fuzzy feeling for the Nazis. But neither was it a time for joyous celebration - it was a somber time, a time to survey all the evil that came from them, and to reflect on the enormity of it all.

For some of us - including some of us who have lost family members to AIDS, because believe it or not the grave dancers don't hold a patent on that - it's a reminder of what's been lost, and it's hard to feel joy from a legacy of bigotry that still lives on, and from yet more death.

[Dorian Gray]

26. I think.....

There's a difference between not saying anything at all (or even caring about it) vs. actively celebrating. I pretty much choose the former. I didn't like Falwell or what he had to say about... anything, but I don't feel the need to whoop it up over his death. I just find it to be.... disturbing. Who is saying anything about celebrating their lives or saying good things about them? Just ignore his death.

[Dorian Gray]

27. I think.....

There's a difference between not saying anything at all (or even caring about it) vs. actively celebrating. I pretty much choose the former. I didn't like Falwell or what he had to say about... anything, but I don't feel the need to whoop it up over his death. I just find it to be.... disturbing. Who is saying anything about celebrating their lives or saying good things about them? Just ignore his death.

[cboy4]

38. Why in the world are you insinuating that I'm "whooping" it up

over his death, or encouraging others to do so?

You need to go back and re-read my OP thoroughly so you comprehend it.

You completely missed my point.

If you were a newspaper, you'd be guilty of taking everything I said out of context, which isn't cool.

[pampango]

28. And when Tim Johnson is hospitalized, I hope that the freepers

of the world do not relish in his medical problems and make ghoulish posts about him. And if they do, I hope that DU calls them out as insensitive louts who don't know how to treat people with some common courtesy.

[cboy4]

41. Me too. However, I don't believe Tim has ever been quoted as

saying AIDS is God's way of punishing gay people.

He far too decent and classy to stoop so low.

[BR_Parkway]

31. So are heart attacks God's way of punishing hypocritical preachers?

Spot on Cboy!

[tabasco]

37. Poor Doctor Mengele!

He was evil but he's dead now so let's not say anything disrespectful about him.

BoooHoooHoooHooo!!!!!! Poor Doctor Mengele!!!

:sarcasm:

[blondeatlast]

40. Well said. nt

[Maven]

46. Oh, you know I was thinkin the EXACT same thing m'friend

And I BET you you're right. The same Piety Squad clutching their prayer books and pearls today will be saying "good riddance" when Duke kicks the bucket. It's a good thing for that search function, eh?

K and R.

[cboy4]

49. Thanks bud!

:)

[Dukkha]

48. "If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being"

It's obvious he hated everyone outside of his narrowly defined term of who was acceptable. He was an evil man plain and simple. Not one redeeming social value in his black heartless soul. If you're not relieved and thrilled in his eradication from this world then your moral compass is most definitely eschewed and perhaps this is not the forum for you. The next time a hate crime is committed and an innocent life is snuffed out buy one if Falwells brown shirt minions I will remember what has been said this week.

[tom_paine]

51. Very well said, sir.

[Madspirit]

56. k&r!! Whoohoo...great post!...n/t

[Duncan Grant]

57. This Falwell "amnesty" doesn't pass the smell test, does it cboy4?

But then again the complaints about gay people during the 2004 election didn't either. Or for that matter, the New Jersey court decision or even that trivializing Snickers commercial.

No, yesterday certainly wasn't DU's finest hour. Not by a long shot.

[Left Is Write]

61. I can't even see Matthew Shepard's name without crying.

[cboy4]

66. I cannot either. I wear a purple rubber Matthew Shepard

Foundation wrist band (along with my yellow Lance Armstrong cancer band.)

It makes me feel happy....as though a part of Matt is still alive and with me.

But then again, there are days I look down at it and I have to wipe tears from my eyes.

[Initech]

68. Trifecta of evil - Robertson, Falwell, and Duke

I think they are all assholes of biblical proportions. They don't stand for anything but themselves (and the almighty dollar) and they all are responsible for making society stupider.

[alarimer]

73. I don't understand this business of not speaking ill of the dead

Especially if they were a rotten person to begin with. My opinion of someone, good or bad, does not change because they die.

I don't believe in karma so I don't have that reason not to.

[Jamastiene]

77. My aunt said something very similar today.

She helped raise me and was very strict when it came to manners and etiquette. She said the same thing today when I told her about the nervous nellies on DU who were worried what the freepers will think of us because we dared to say why we disliked what Falwell stood for. She said if they were a "sombitch in life, my opinion of them isn't going to change just because they died. They are just a dead sombitch now." I thought that was priceless and still very close to what you said. I enjoyed your post because it reminded me of what she said. :thumbsup:

[Geek_Girl]

74. Everyone should feel free to express how they feel

or what they think. That's what makes this forum great! If some of my fellow DUers are appalled or upset by they way I and others express our selfs, well that's just too bad.

[Madspirit]

83. Thanks Geek Girl

It makes me sick to see all the hand-wringing and weeping creepies all FOR Falwell.
Lee

[Madspirit]

84. Protect Your Butt cboy

...'cause I am going to kick you again!
Lee

[Madspirit]

85. PICTURES!!!

[hfojvt]

87. Do you really think David Duke is gonna die

before Jesus comes back?

I was not sure how to take this:

"There are far more threads about Falwell dying than there were when a 21 year old kid named Matthew had the shit
kicked out of him, simply because he happened to have been gay. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard "

I followed the link just to be sure, but Matthew was murdered in 1998, which would make it kinda hard to have any threads about him.

It does not seem valid to compare the Moral Majority to the KKK. The Moral Majority registered voters, and gave speeches and provided pamphlets, and lobbied elected officials. The KKK's primary purpose is to physically intimidate blacks and civil rights workers.

Kinda sad to see that there were no threads celebrating the life or mourning the death of Yolanda King. Maybe there were some but they got trampled off the front pages by Falwell. The FReepers had one though, showing what disgracefully hateful people they are:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834326/posts

"Prayers go out to the family."

"My condolences to the family. Any word on the cause? 52 is awfully young (I’m 52)."


"I just think of this as going home and some of us will go home sooner than others..May she rest in peace...her time here is over and now she is going to be with the Lord...
RIP!!!"

"Rest in peace."

:o Or not.

Researching her life, lead me to this, which seemed appropriate:

"Science of Mind has brought King an intriguing idea about Christian fundamentalism and the existence of a force for evil – or, what some might call the devil. “I’m convinced that why there is the presence of so much evil and the appearance of another power is because there is such a belief in it. I mean, it is so strong. I believe that it” – this focus on an evil force – “perpetuates it.”"

http://www.mitchhorowitz.com/yolanda-king.html