Kiss your Social Security goodbye...

[Subdivisions]

This commission is going to steal it from you one way or another.

Happy retirement. Thanks for playin'...





PS: Be sure to bookmark this thread so you can throw it back at me if I'm wrong.

[tabatha]

1. You are wrong.

[Subdivisions]

4. I certainly hope so. But I'm getting used to my hopes being dashed. n/t

[tabatha]

7. Either party that did so will lose votes.

I think Obama is following the book "A ???? of enemies/adversaries". (Can't remember the title)

[earth mom]

18. Few in DC care anymore what the people want. The hits just keep on coming-surely you've noticed

by now.

The fact is that BOTH parties are working overtime to STEAL our Social Security and give it to the banksters to gamble with on Wall Street.

If this doesn't spur the people of this country to action, nothing will.

[sabrina 1]

26. That's why they intend to do it after the election. And that's

why we have to pressure Democrats to come out strongly now against the recommendations of the Commission. They don't want to talk about SS before the election and that ought to bother everyone. This is what Bush did, he did not talk about SS until after he stole the 2004 election.

Fortunately back then Democrats were out of power and it seems we fight harder when the dirty work is being done by a Republican.

But they are planning on stealing it and I am not thrilled with Obama's weak statements of appeasement to those who have asked him where he stands now. We know where he stood as a candidate.

[DJ13]

2. Please, think of the poor

wealthy people who desperately need to maintain their lifestyle without the burdens of increased taxes.

Do it for them!

[customerserviceguy]

3. It could happen

I'm making my plans as though its not going to exist by the time I retire (I'm turning 55 this year) so if I'm wrong, I'm better off than I planned for.

[lovuian]

5. if they do and the Americans sit back and do nothing

then they will

but the anger poverty will swell and swell

[Subdivisions]

6. They will do it exactly because Americans will do nothing about it. They

are not scared of us. They've given us plenty of opportunities to show them who's boss and they've shown that they are every single time. So, they will take our retirement savings and we will grouse and moan. Then we'll go back to whatever it was we were doing. Just like we always do.

[grasswire]

8. it doesn't have to be this way

Americans are choosing to allow another Great Depression to happen. This slide can be turned around ASAP.

Tax the rich their fair share.

End corporate welfare.

Enact legislation that discourages offshore jobs and encourages the return of jobs to the U.S.

Pass a significant stimulus immediately to every adult making less than $100,000/year.

[katandmoon]

9. The Executive Director and the co-chairs would sell us out in a heartbeat. You're not wrong.

[Raschel]

10. The writing's on the wall. There aren't any jobs for people to pay any decent money into SS.

The Commish is just trying to come up with excuses to end it. (public tit, blah blah)

[Subdivisions]

11. Exactly. n/t

[madokie]

12. I'm just going to add you to my other list

the one where I don't have to see this kind of bullshit again from you. Hows that ???

[Subdivisions]

13. Okie dokie, madokie. When I turn out to be right, will you remove me from

your ignore list? Pretty please?

[Jax]

17. Add me too

you talk about bullshit, you mean the bullshit you post right?

[scheming daemons]

14. More hyperbolic hysteria about something that's not going to happen...

.... such drama.

[Subdivisions]

15. We'll see in December. n/t

[Scurrilous]

21. Yep.

:thumbsup:

[Subdivisions]

22. We'll see. Did you bookmark this so you can rub it in my motherfucking face if

it turns out I'm wrong ?

[SomeGuynTexas]

16. Be happy there is a Social Security System to steal from....

Otherwise all that's left is your 401K.

Only a matter of time before they sharpen their knives for 401's.

[TheKentuckian]

19. That's already a golden goose for them. They'll just crash them more often

[earth mom]

20. Totally agree and am furious about it. The denial on this thread is mind boggling.

:grr:

:mad:

:argh:

:rant:

[bvar22]

23. This is HOW "they" will take your Social Security:

1) Saturate the Media with the meme that something MUST be done to "Reduce the Deficit" or there will be a catastrophe, and strongly imply that Social Security is one of the BIG causes for the deficit.

2)Remove Pentagon/Military Spending from any discussion of cuts,
and insist that anyone who even talks about cuts to Military Spending are crazy, drug addled extremists.

3)Give all the "Centrist Democrats" involved plenty of time to get out public statements that they support Social Security, and would never vote to reduce benefits.

4)Form a "Independent Secret Commission" to design a "Comprehensive Package" of ways to Reduce the Deficit. This package will be lengthy and complicated, and it WILL contain reductions to Social Security benefits. The package will also contain a few crumbs that ARE good for the economy. These crumbs will be minor in scale compared to the structural changes to Social Security.

This "Commission Recommendations" and will also contain some scam that opens the door for Wall Street to have access to Social Security funds. For cover, the package will also contain some easily avoidable "regulations" that will appear to restrict how Wall Street can use the Social Security Funds, but these "regulations" are NOT there to actually REGULATE; they are there to provide cover.


5)The Marketing and Message Control will be Up and Running when the contents of the package is revealed. The Media will be saturated with pieces that highlight and overemphasize the few good crumbs, and catastrophizing the effects of not passing "The Comprehensive Package".
(SEE: TARP)


6)The Progressive Caucus opposition WILL be marginalized (again), and the full force of the White House, the DLC, DNC, and their Corporate Marketing & Messaging apparatus will be used to brand any "Democratic" opposition as "traitors", "with the Republicans", "against Wall Street Regulation", "against the American People", "against Saving Social Security" or "Opposed to Saving our Children".
There will be a saturation of anecdotal testimony highlighting how certain crumbs will "Save our Family", therefore the whole package MUST pass.
The Mighty Wurlitzer will be turned UP to FULL BLAST.
Any and ALL opposition from The Left WILL be Shouted Down and Demonized.
(SEE: HCR)

7)The Republican Party will play their assigned part in the Kabuki, and oppose the whole thing as "Big Government Takeover". It doesn't matter that their position makes no sense. It only matters that they oppose it so the illusion of a difference is maintained.

8)This "Commission Recommendations" will be brought to Congress to be voted on as a "complete comprehensive package", Up or Down vote, during the panic immediately following the Democratic Losses in November 2010.
No honest debate will be allowed.
No discussion of amending the package or deleting some elements will be allowed.
Democrats will NOT be "voting to cut Social Security".
They will be voting FOR "Saving the Economy", or "Protecting our Children (from the deficit)".

9) The Complete Comprehensive Package of Commission Recommendations WILL pass with a Party Line vote, or one or two Republican defectors if necessary to maintain the illusion of a Hard Fight.
No Democrat will have to admit that they voted to Cut Social Security.
Instead, they voted FOR a Reform Package that Saved the Economy.


10) The politicians will flock to the cameras with statements like this:

"I am on record as supporting Social Security, and of course I would have liked to NOT cut benefits, but we had to do something."

"This is "historic" reform legislation, look at all the good (crumbs) we got!"

"We couldn't let the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good."

"This is the best we could do under the circumstances because we didn't have the votes.

"This is a Step Forward."

"Today, we saved our children from a crushing deficit."

"We needed to get something done NOW. We will Fix it Later.

Sound familiar?
It should.

If you think I'm a little over the top in my assessment,
take a look at Chris Van Hollen's (weasel, MD) performance when asked a direct question on cutting Social Security:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wHr3nMG6Y4

Again,
No Democrat will be voting to "Cut Social Security".
They WILL be voting FOR "Comprehensive Reform that "Saves our Children."

THAT is WHY this diabolical Commission and "The Comprehensive Package" is so necessary.
Don't be fooled again.

They are coming.
"By their works you will know them."

[Progrimm]

24. Even with all the power the corporatist are acquiring I just don't see it happening

They certainly won't be able to do it in one fell swoop, first they'll privatize part of it and build off of that.

[Subdivisions]

25. Kickin' this thang to remind you they're gonna take your shit. n/t

[scarletwoman]

27. Yup, they're going to steal it one way or another. Are we really going to let them? nt

[pinniped]

28. Impossible! I got a letter a couple weeks ago explaining my benefits....

upon eligibility.