Senators propose infinite H-1Bs for advanced degree holders

[Deja Q]

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595-6183954.html

The stipulation? Such people need to have degrees obtained in the USA.

Coming from a third world country, HOW the hell can they pay for it?

And since we're told WE have to get educated to be qualified, WHY is there no such bill giving free education money to us? It'd be taxpayer money. We paid for it via taxes.

Funny how India and China whine and warn about the US. We gave them their status. And the quality of the products, I'm sorry, just aren't that good. From Dell to Kodak ($25000 industrial scanners needing to be repaired every few months?!), there is a real problem with offshoring and it is not our (the US workers') fault.

[TwilightGardener]

1. Well, there are TONS of foreign grad students here--I don't think

supply will be a problem. I am of mixed feelings about this. I think it's MUCH better than outsourcing, because at least those folks will contribute more to our economy. OTOH, I don't want them to get hi-tech jobs over Americans. But if there aren't enough American workers to take the jobs, and the technology ends up going overseas to follow the workers, then we will lose our edge in the competition.

[Deja Q]

2. But should they get free perks?

I say we should all get the same perks, if we are to be globalized. Otherwise it's "business as usual", for that read "dumping the USA as usual".

I do see your POV and somewhat agree with it, I will say that. But the morality and ethics of American taxpayer money not helping Americans first (when not foremost) does come into legitimate question.

[TwilightGardener]

3. What perks are they getting?

[Deja Q]

5. None I know of. But the thought that because a US master's degree is required,

they may be getting lowered-cost or free education.

And that is wrong.

Especially when our own with Masters degrees are tossed to the curb like garbage.


Things will help when they look at the other side of globalization and make the cost of living here to match the wages they want to give out everywhere. Chian and India are making middle classes, and can because their cost of living is low.

[Tiggeroshii]

4. I know a few people who would clearly benefit from this

Some people who have had trouble acquiring legal resdency in the US and are finishing their Masters degrees would definitely be helped from this. I think this could help us a little bit with a number of problems including giving legal residency to those who deserve it and boosting our economy with a more educated population.

[Deja Q]

7. But

1. How do you know they won't go back to their country of origin afterward?

2. We have many people with Masters degrees who have suffered due to offshoring. Are they uneducated?

[treestar]

6. They'd have to pay for their education and that benefits the colleges

They can't even work while they are students. (F-1 status). If they're not here, their money isn't going to be used for our educations.

Some people from third world countries can pay. Not every single individual in a third world country is poor.

Also it may be questionable if India still is one. There are many educated Indians and the economy there is boosted.

If they are here, they proved to the US government they can pay. Now you're trying to start another one of those falsehoods about students and H-1Bs rather than finding out the truth.

[Deja Q]

10. The article said the people have to have degrees obtained in the USA.

THAT is a conflict of interest.

And maybe I am wrong. I'll grant you that much. I will admit what is going on has been paralyzing, but I have added a perception no others have - and that is the just due question concerning cost of living, and (here's where I'm likely to be wrong) the idea our tax dollars are going to educating non-Americans when we are told we need to be educating ourselves.

And there are MANY opinions out there. I read them all. I posted the link in the OP which leads to many more. Have you read them all?

[treestar]

18. Our tax dollars are NOT going to educating non-Americans

A total falsehood.

No foreginer can do college in the US without proving they can pay for it.

Go look at the immigration regulations at 8 CFR 214.2(f).

[La Lioness Priyanka]

21. unless they get a full scholarship. scholarships are not funded by tax dollars either.

[sadiesworld]

8. What bs.

At least the Durbin/Grassley proposal required that the company certify that they made a good faith effort to hire a US citizen before using an H-1B visa worker.

This isn't about need, it's about more cheap labor.

[Deja Q]

11. Exactly. it is about cheap labor.

And I'll agree with a person I just argued with a moment ago; I may be biased. But the fear certainly isn't unwarranted. And it is known cheap labor is a real factor in 'globalization'.

[high density]

16. "Good faith effort"

I think they can rig this too easily. All they need to do is put ads in the paper for positions that require everything under the sun. After they collect a bunch of resumes they can prove that nobody has all of these requirements. Now that they've made their "good faith effort" they'll pull in that H1-B visa worker.

[no_hypocrisy]

9. OK. So that means a student from a third world country can be granted

a scholarship to attend an American college or university as opposed to the same money being given to an American citizen. And then the same foreign-born graduate can get an indefinite H-1B visa to be hired by an American company rather than an American graduate with the same credentials to work for less money than the American employee would be paid.

What's wrong with this picture (rhetorical statement)

[Deja Q]

12. Nothing wrong with that picture. In theory.

Assuming they stay in America, which is what you are assuming.

Seems only fair.

But how many H1Bs come to America, get educated, and go back home? Rather more than 0; that much is a fact and it's been said time and time again. And that's where a semi-justified worry comes into place.

If we need more educated people here, let's bring them in and keep them here. And keep our own. And help our own. I must be missing dozens of articles showing how our government is helping us as much as they're helping low-cost countries... Actually, I have yet to read even one. Even I can't be that blind...

[Selatius]

19. Wouldn't it be simpler to reform the education system to help more American kids go to college?

As it stands, tuition inflation far outstrips the wages of workers.

[aquart]

13. Ask them why they're being so good to people who can't vote?

And so rotten to people who do?

[high density]

14. Unfortunately these senators have no idea what it is like to find a decent job in this country

And these H-1B visas are not improving the situation at all. Despite Bill Gates' constant whining on the issue, there are plenty here in the USA to fill these jobs.

[TwilightGardener]

15. All you need to know is, who sponsored the bill? Lieberman, Hagel,

and Cantwell. That tells you who benefits the most from it--Gates and other corporate interests.

[LoZoccolo]

17. Recommended! n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

20. this entire OP is full of crap.

Coming from a third world country, HOW the hell can they pay for it?

because many people in the third world can afford american universities. or because oftheir stellar SAT scores American universities give them scholarships.


"how India and China whine and warn about the US. We gave them their status. And the quality of the products, I'm sorry, just aren't that good. From Dell to Kodak ($25000 industrial scanners needing to be repaired every few months?!), there is a real problem with offshoring and it is not our (the US workers') fault."


blame american designers. indian factory workers are merely producing something america designs.

Americans jobs are getting outsourced. instead of being xenophobic why dont you make changes within your government? and stop blaming the rest of the world.

[lonestarnot]

22. In the area of education, we should not be giving away our "intelligence."