"Ordain women," London bus ads will urge Pope

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By Avril Ormsby Avril Ormsby – Thu Aug 26, 12:54 pm ET

LONDON (Reuters) – Pope Benedict will be confronted by posters on London's famous red buses during his trip to the British capital next month which will call for the ordination of women priests.

Protests are planned throughout his four-day trip to England and Scotland, the first papal visit since John Paul II's pastoral visit in 1982 and the first-ever official papal visit to Britain.

One group of women, Catholic Women's Ordination (CWO), will have its message plastered on the side of the buses as they travel along key routes, including past Westminster Hall, at the Palace of Westminster, where the pope is set to deliver a speech to Britain's civic society on September 17.

The group has paid 15,000 pounds ($23,130) for 15 buses to carry the message "Pope Benedict - Ordain Women Now!" for a month.


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Now - THIS is an idea for us all to pick up !!

Not only re female ordination -- but how about telling the Vatican to stop taking

taxpayer money?

And a few other subjects - - might be an excellent way to speak with our president and

Democratic party which doesn't seem to be listening to us!!???

[Chulanowa]

1. I just have one question...

Why would women want to be ordained? Isn't that kind of like blacks wanting to join the Klan?

I mean if they want to, I don't see any reason against it. I'm just baffled by the desire itself :shrug:

[defendandprotect]

3. Interesting . . . my first instinct on that is "to make Swiss Cheese of it!" ...

doesn't that seem logical?

On the serious side, women would certainly liberalize the church --

it would also speak to the lie of their spiritual "inferiority."

A lie which the Mormon Church also holds to. Maybe you know that in the

Mormon religion, a female cannot save her own soul -- bring about her own salvation!

She has to rely on her husband to do that for her!! After death, she has to wait for

her husband to call her name in order to be able to enter heaven! Don't know what

unmarried or divorced women do???

The one that REALLY baffles me is women who want to serve in the military --

however, I'm grateful for it -- they bring efficiency, more whistle blowing, more

truth -- and a liberalizing effect on military, IMO.

And coming back to females and the Catholic Church ... think how uplifting it would be

for female members of the church to see women as part of ritual and authority --

It would be a turning around from any church concept of females as in any way "inferior"--!!

Raise the self-esteem of women everywhere -- throughout all the countries where the RCC

is represented!!



PS: WHAT ABOUT THE IDEA OF USING BUS ADS TO PUT SOME REAL HEAVY QUESTIONS TO AUTHORITY --

IT'S A GREAT WAY TO CHALLENGE AUTHORITY IMO!!????

[LibertyLover]

19. I don't know if the Mormon Church still does this,

but years ago a Mormon friend told me that it performed what she called spirit marriages. Similar in concept to the more well-known practice of baptism for the dead, spirit marriages allowed Mormon women (I don't remember now if it was for living women or dead women or both) to be plurally married to Mormon men who were dead, since presumably US laws on bigamy don't carry over into the Afterlife. That permitted the men to call the wife into heaven.

[pnwmom]

4. Women already comprise more than half of all Catholics. How many blacks were members

of the Klan? Your comparison sucks.

Women simply want an equal share of power in the Church they already belong to. With women sharing power it would not be the same Church it is today.

[defendandprotect]

5. I agree with both of you on that ...think the poster meant this is a male-supremacist church..

obvious rigid in it's authoritarian outlook ---

Let's be frank -- it's an anti-female religion --

so IMO there is some comparison with "joining the enemy" --

except in this case it would dilute the male-supremacist agenda/power -- a good thing!

And, of course, I agree with you -- and much, much more, indeed.

Think of the postive impact of that upon women of all the nations which were "conquered"

by the Vatican and where this religion was forced upon them. It would be a wellspring

of optimism -- a humanizing of the church.

BUT, BTW, NO ONE HAS COMMENTED ON THE IDEA OF THE BUS ADS --

CAN'T WE PICK THAT UP AND BEGIN TO PUT OUR OWN QUESTIONS TO OUR OWN GOVERNMENT IN PLAY???

[pnwmom]

9. I think the bus ad idea is great. They could add some sky-writing to that, too! n/t

[Chulanowa]

14. Point is, the institution is inherently down on women

And I'm sorry, but even if, wild, left-field if, the Vatican decides to ditch over a thousand years of dumbassery and ordain female priests, there's still going to be a concrete ceiling over their heads as far as changing anything goes. They would not be "sharing power," they would become tools for the church to go "But look, here's a woman priest, how far we've come! Lay off!"

I simply can't see the appeal, is all :shrug: But then, the whole religion baffles me on a few levels, so I might just be missing something.

[JerseygirlCT]

16. Because women are the absolute backbone of the Catholic church

Without them, it couldn't exist. With them in positions of authority, it could grow and become what it ought to be - not the boys' playground.

Many people feel very tied to the RCC - the roots go deep - not just a chosen religion, but usually family history, identity... it's powerful and meaningful.

So other than a group of old men being jerks, there's no reason they shouldn't be ordained. It would make for a much better organization, that's for sure!

[Chulanowa]

2. dupe nt

[RevCheesehead]

6. works for me!

If they ever do ordain women, I would seriously consider becoming Catholic. O8)

[defendandprotect]

7. What about this idea of using bus ads? Think it's a bright idea in challenging authority!!???

[RevCheesehead]

8. It will certainly begin conversations.

But will the Pope be influenced by it? I doubt that he'll even see them.
BTW, conversation is good. It's an important first step.

[defendandprotect]

11. Agree this is probably more about waking up the public... but think it may be an idea for US???

[Richard D]

10. I can't help but wonder . . .

. . .when was the last time the pope rode a bus in London.

[defendandprotect]

12. Pope lives in seclusion in an all-male one mile "sovereign" nation ....

acknowledged by the United Nations!!

And doubt there is very much possibility of persuading him from his male-supremacist thinking?

However, obviously, the message is for the public -- including Catholics.

And, I still think it's might be a useful political idea for Americans to use???

[NYC Liberal]

13. Reminds me of what George Carlin said:

"I have as much authority as the Pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it."

[defendandprotect]

15. Love George Carlin!!

[JerseygirlCT]

17. I'm happy to see any challenge to the old boys on this

Though I doubt the Pope will pay much attention, Catholics will. And if it gets enough media attention, it could help add to the pressure to push the RCC into, maybe, the mid-20th century.

[gratuitous]

18. And if you're not going to ordain women . . .

Stop baptizing them.