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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 06:33 AM
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Middle School Segregates Class Elections by Race
Edited on Fri Aug-27-10 06:34 AM by rucky
from GAWKER:

Thinking about running for eighth grade class president at Nettleton Middle School in Nettleton, Mississippi? Well... are you white? Because only white kids are allowed to run for president. Black kids can be vice-president, though! But only black kids...



When one Nettleton mother approached the school board, wondering—among other things, obviously—which "category" her mixed-race kids (Italian and Native American) fell under, she was told the following:

They told me that they "Go by the mother's race b/c with minorities the father isn't generally in the home." They also told me that " a city court order is the reason why it is this way."

More @: http://gawker.com/5623138/middle-school-segregates-class-elections-by-race

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I'm just too stunned for comment, here. It's like the whole country hopped into a DeLorien and returned to 1955.
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 06:38 AM
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1. facepalm
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Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 06:41 AM
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2. I find that hard to believe
Edited on Fri Aug-27-10 06:48 AM by Syrinx
I can't imagine it happening here in Alabama. And Mississippi is right next door.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 06:43 AM
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3. Is this right?
Because I can't believe it.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 06:48 AM
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4. It's now under review, so I'm fairly certain they'll fix it.
The school is 72% white. I think they really meant well, but ...





FAIL
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 06:52 AM
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5. I'd say 'someone should pay,' but ...
... that someone would just be the taxpayers. Someone should lose their job over this, though, and if they honestly thought this was an acceptable way of dealing with whatever issue was facing them, then I don't have any sympathy for their new life as an unemployed person.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 06:57 AM
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6. here`s the origin of this story
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 07:07 AM
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7. I do believe that civil rights workers going to Miss. today would
fare no better than those that went down there in the 50's.
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political_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 07:48 AM
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8. I'm just waiting for someone to defend this and humanize the teacher who organized this travesty.
Edited on Fri Aug-27-10 07:50 AM by political_Dem
:eyes: :sarcasm:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 08:10 AM
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9. Why would you wait for that? It's indefensible.
Of course, I don't see anywhere in the links provided where it says a TEACHER "organized" this travesty.

It could have been. Or it could have been an admin. Or a counselor. It could have been a committee. I wondered how long this policy has been in place...I'm assuming that it's new, or we'd have heard about it before. The quick backtracking of the principal when it hit the media tells me that it's going to go away. At the least, the district will protect itself from lawsuits.

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 08:25 AM
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11. "Miss Payne"
Edited on Fri Aug-27-10 08:43 AM by rucky
from the letter.

This still needs more verification, though.

On edit: here's a photo of the principal (from the district website - NOT Miss Payne, btw)
http://www.nettletonschools.com/photos/6336/3img%5F6152%2EJPG

Now I'm really confused.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 08:53 AM
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16. Was it supposed to be some twisted version of affirmative action?
I really can't imagine WHAT they were thinking. I'd like to hear the school make a statement about the policy.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 09:38 AM
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18. Because someone always does. Always.
This election thing is a fucking travesty. I particularly enjoy the way they perpetuate the notion that only white people in this country are fit to run things by making sure that all the presidential candidates are white.

And as disgusting as this is someone on this board will make excuses for it. It never fails.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 08:31 AM
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13. Their response would be that you're "hypersensitive." n/t
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 09:39 AM
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19. Or that you're nasty and hateful because bigots need compassion. n/t
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 08:19 AM
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10. Um...no. nt
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 08:26 AM
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12. Jesus.
Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus.

My calendar says it's 2010. Will my calendar be any good in Mississippi?
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 08:40 AM
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14. Why are all the presidents white?
Why does the 8th grade get two whites and the 6th and 7th get three?
What about a mother who is mixed race? What race are her children then?
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newtothegame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 08:41 AM
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15. If this was an employment situation, would we have a problem...
that the school is requiring that some positions be filled by minorities? What if the class officers were all white in previous years?
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 09:24 AM
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17. My high school (also in MS) did that
If this school does it like mine did, the next year the races will be reveresed.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 09:39 AM
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20. I saw this...
I just don't get it. How did this come about? What are they thinking?

-P
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 10:43 AM
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22. Competing conceptions of "fairness".
If blacks are 25% of the student body, how do you make sure the student government "looks like" the student body?

Why, the same way that companies do. The same way that countries that require a certain number of female representatives or pre-defined numbers of specific ethnicities to elected office do. We applaud "women" or "black" or "Latino" "seats" on the SCOTUS. You hear the reasoning when people say that a majority-black Congressional district shouldn't have a white representative, and the reasoning for the gerrymandering to produce majority minority districts (which reversed the gerrymandering that all but made diluted minority districts de rigueur). It was the administration's position when a physics department hired another white male and the provost pointed out that they had too many white males, requiring that the dept. justify not hiring a woman or "representative of another American culture" (i.e., black or Latino or Native American). Many people like affirmative action, where specific percentages of job hirees or college acceptees or grant recipients have to come from a specific race, sex, or ethnicity. You have to guarantee equality of outcome. The workforce, political class, set of judges, faculty, student body all have to "look like" some extraneous group such as the state, county, city, or national population.

On the other hand, it's blatantly unfair. Everybody should have the same opportunity to be elected, hired, receive public grants or be accepted to college, given their state and condition at the beginning of the process. People shouldn't be primarily members of a group, representatives of their category. They're individuals. If what you are and what you're like when you apply--a better campaigner, have higher academic attainment or more experience--you should be judged on what you've done. This is a strict equality of process viewpoint.

There's also another viewpoint: That those who make the decisions should be free to make whatever decision they want. This argument was largely lost in the US decades back. You're allowed to violate equality of outcome only if you can show that equality of opportunity is more important: If the requirement that says "what the person can do" is essential to the job. We don't like legacy enrollments because it says that the university can admit somebody for a non-ability/non-category-based reason. We allow freedom of choice only when the outcome and process meet certain requirements, when choosing between people that fit into essentially the same box.

We wind up putting moral values on each of these outcomes. How we rank the values differs from person to person. And crucially, the restrictions we want always have to fall on other people. Restrictions, taxes, zoning regulations, etc., should never hobble *us*.

We see constant tension between these POVs because we think that equality of outcome, equality of process, and freedom of choice should always yield the same result, but they can only yield the same result if the different cohorts are equal in attributes and the people making decisions are truly color/sex/ethnicity-blind. So what do you do when life sucks and the three processes yield disparate results? You have to choose which value dominates the others. This school chose equality of outcome: But you can't just specify "25% of winners must be black." Implementing that kind of policy would be a nightmare. And capricious.

The contrast is most stark when it's written down and when the limitation is not on those perceived to be somehow morally deficient or who are somehow "wrong" but on voters and us (meaning both "us" and those we empathize with).

For example, I see very few criticisms of stipulating that the VPs have to be black, which limits, of course, opportunities for whites. I see a lot of criticisms of the stipulation that the prezes be white, which limits opportunities for blacks. I suspect on FR the foci of criticism would be reversed.

I don't like this kind of a priori stipulating of outcomes and restrictions on voter choice, viewing people as primarily exponents of some single characteristic. Then again, I think that over the course of several years without it you'd see blacks disproportionately underrepresented, so it's more likely that this system imposes a greater limitation on whites.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 09:50 AM
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21. Not surprised, at all. n/t
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