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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 08:24 AM
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Getting rid of Simpson is possible but pointless
Getting rid of him is probably easier than we think. Some clever, pissed off lefty pulls some stunt or another such that the media picks it up. The "Tits" story gets some play. The story goes viral on the internets and hot in the media. More media play and suddenly Alan will feel the tug of time with family.

But so what? It would, at best, be a Pyrrhic victory. Does anyone think there are actual deliberations going on? I think the outcome was preordained. I think we will be asked to work longer and I think FICA will remain essentially unchanged - maybe tweaked to allow for wage adjustments. I don't think dollar benefits will be cut. I do think non-retirement benefits will see some trimming. Probably serious trimming.

And there is not a damned thing we can do about it.

So shut up and eat your crumbs and leftovers.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 08:30 AM
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1. I think this will be the "Last Straw"
I hope it will!
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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 08:37 AM
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2. Simpson will resign
and be replaced by another grouchy old Republican white man. IMHO
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 09:07 AM
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3. NGU
Now, especially now ...

Never Give Up.
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 07:32 PM
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18. Be careful.
I said "don't give up" on one of these threads a few days ago and got chastised for it.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 09:13 AM
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4. i do think there is agreement in the Bowles/Simpson camps
Edited on Fri Aug-27-10 09:14 AM by xchrom
re: SS -- and i think there has been for years.

there will be some 'struggling' with the 'report'-- that will make some news -- but not reported accurately.
i.e. that neoliberals and conservatives are closer on a number of issues than is really advertised.
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metapunditedgy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 09:16 AM
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5. Simpson is there for theater, and his obnoxious comment was just his way of
letting us know that he knows it... he won a staredown with the WH.

Well, that's one theory I'm working on, anyway.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 09:19 AM
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6. i believe you are right.
the solution is to continue to point out obama's rightism and similarities with republicans.

damn that ralph nader!
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 09:42 AM
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9. "damn that ralph nader!"
Are you referring to: "There's Not a Dime's Worth of Difference Between...."? Is that phrase suddenly becoming respectable here at DU? We ("premature progressive") Naderites would like to know! (sigh!)
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 10:39 AM
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12. yeah, i thought that was obvious.
suddenly becoming respectable on du...?

the idea that the two wings of the national political monopoly collude against the people precedes nader by a long shot.

who here on du gets the truth of that is anybody's guess at any particular moment
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 10:54 AM
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13. Ralph Nader said that because both major parties are OWNED by the same industries.
Ralph Nader was right when he said 15 years ago and he is right now. Unless we can free our government of corporate whores our country will continue to decline. Ralph Nader was a huge proponent of campaign finance reform but not one current republican or democrat is even uttering those words. They like the status quo of corruption.

Ralph Nader is an American treasure who would never sell out the people as so many people in the major parties keep doing over and over again. And people keep voting for the same corrupt whores and expecting different results. I thought Obama would be different, but he's not. He listens more to republicans, faux noise and Rush Limblah than he does to the people who worked their asses off to get him elected. I am frankly tired of being betrayed.

What's sad is Obama could have been a damned hero by now, but his constant caving into the enemy on issue after issue is painting the true picture of who he really is and who is really controlling his every move. He could not care less about the people who put him in the office he holds.

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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 11:18 AM
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15. Ralph Nader got blamed for a lot of things...like 8 years of the Smirking Chimp....
But Nader was correct about the Corporate Masters.

I seem to remember a funny little guy with a bunch of charts that warned about NAFTA and the GIANT SUCKING SOUND of jobs leaving the USA.... and we all laughed and laughed....

Check out :48 into this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls&p=7509A222082CD215&playnext=1&index=37
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 03:04 PM
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16. Thanks for that clip. That's when the US still had a chance. Now it's sold it's soul to business.
I worked for both the Reform Party and Green Party and they have the same values progressives want, but people keep voting for one of the two major parties and expecting to see change. Unfortunately the majority of the people are getting exactly what they deserve, but they are dragging the rest of the people down with them. No candidate who is tainted by corporate money will EVER represent the people. If either the Reform or Green parties had won we would have effective campaign finance reform. But now we're stuck with a government full of corporate prostitutes who will never represent the American people.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 09:22 AM
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7. "Preordained?" It absolutely is.
Edited on Fri Aug-27-10 09:24 AM by chill_wind
And as I pointed out in another thread yesterday, not a syllable about that massive Pentagon entitlement program.



Undeterred by the flight of the GOP’s fiscal chicken hawks, President Obama today unveiled an 18-member special commission to tackle the nation’s budget crisis. Named to lead the panel were Democrat Erskine Bowles, chief of staff to President Clinton, and former Senate Republican leader Alan Simpson.

It’s easy to be cynical about such “blue ribbon” commissions. They are supposed to signal that political leaders are serious about solving intractable problems, but often convey the opposite — a craven desire to punt tough decisions to retired dignitaries who don’t have to face the voters.

And setting up a commission by executive order is distinctly inferior to enacting one into law, since the president can’t compel Congress to give his panel’s recommendations an up-or-down vote. Speaker Nancy Pelosi has offered distinctly unenthusiastic assurances that the House will consider the commission’s suggestions.

Still, such commissions are sometimes the only way to break a political impasse — recall the 1983 Greenspan Commission for Social Security reform, or the congressionally mandated military base-closing commission. Such action-forcing mechanisms give politicians just enough bipartisan cover to embolden them to vote for reforms everyone knows are necessary if unpopular.

In a bow to political reality, the president’s commission will report its recommendations after the midterm election, before the end of the year. Presumably, that will tee up the debate for the next Congress, while giving the economy this year to gain strength and whittle down the unemployment rate.

That’s the right timing, and it belies claims by Obama’s liberal critics that highlighting the urgent need to put America on a more sustainable fiscal course is antithetical to economic recovery. After all, only about $300 billion of Obama’s $800-plus stimulus package has been spent, and Congress is crafting a jobs bill intended to give a smaller but more targeted boost to employment.

But here’s what really irks Obama’s critics on the left: they see the commission setting the stage for an assault on entitlement programs. They are not entirely wrong: it’s the unsustainable growth of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security that’s driving America’s long-term fiscal woes. But progressives ought to have more confidence in Obama’s ability to take a balanced approach to reforming the Big Three. It’s better, and safer, to do that now rather than risk handing off the job to some future Republican president who may be hostile to the idea of social insurance.

The president’s commission must do what lawmakers in Washington won’t — craft a balanced program of benefit cuts and tax increases to slow the growth rate of health and retirement benefits and move them toward solvency. Otherwise, those programs will consume the equivalent of every penny Washington now raises in taxes, necessitating unprecedented tax hikes, or borrowing at levels that will jeopardize America’s growth and fiscal stability.

But the commission shouldn’t just look at the Big Three, it should also look at the federal government’s massive spending on tax entitlements. Washington spends over $1 trillion a year on tax breaks and subsidies, including such popular items as the mortgage interest deduction and exclusion of employer-paid health benefits, crop subsidies, and a raft of special bennies for politically influential industries, aka, corporate welfare. There are also lots of important breaks for low-income Americans, like my own favorite, the earned income tax credit. All of these tax expenditures have rationales and constituencies, none should be regarded as sacrosanct.



from-

Obama’s Deficit Commission
February 18, 2010
Will Marshall



Will Marshall is the president of the Progressive Policy Institute.

http://www.progressivefix.com/obamas-deficit-commission

And then some.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Marshall

(bold-edit mine)

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 09:47 AM
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10. And Project for a New American Century signer. NeoCon=NeoLib. nt
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 07:24 PM
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17. Yes indeed. n/t
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 09:23 AM
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8. I'd rather have him there pissing everybody off
than some slick, glad-handing conservative who can pretend to make a reasonable case for the crimes they are about to commit.

If those are our only choices, of course.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 09:51 AM
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11. The Mindset Is If The "Profession Left" Is Upset...
...then this must be a good thing. This administration continues to suffer from legislative PTSD...attempting to play the "middle of the road" along with the dead skunks.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-10 11:02 AM
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14. Simpsons is brilliantly playing his designated role of Bad Cop.
That way we will be properly grateful when Good Cop tells us that we will still have our Social Security, only not as much and we will have to work until we are at death's door to get it.

Anyone who ever watched a third-rate cop melodrama on the Late Late Movie knows what's going on here.
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