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cory777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 08:34 PM
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Congress may sneak through Internet ‘kill switch’ in defense bill
Source: Raw Story

A federal cybersecurity bill that critics say creates a presidential "kill switch" for the Internet could be added on to a defense spending bill and passed without much debate, technology news sources report.

Sen. Thomas Carper (D-DE), one of the sponsors of the Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act, told GovInfoSecurity.com that the Senate is considering attaching the bill as a rider to a defense authorization bill likely to pass through Congress before the mid-term elections.

"It's hard to get a measure like cybersecurity legislation passed on its own," Carper said.

Carper, along with Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) and Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), introduced the bill in June in an effort to combat cyber-crime and the threat of online warfare and terrorism. Critics say the bill would allow the president to disconnect Internet networks and force private websites to comply with broad cybersecurity measures. Future US presidents would have those powers renewed indefinitely.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/0828/congress-internet-kill-switch-defense-bill/



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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 08:41 PM
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1. America's real enemies are found in Washington DC nt
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 08:47 PM
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3. Exactly! Ignorance abounds in DC. This country has more to fear from itself than
those outside with the ignorance that abounds within our borders.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 08:52 PM
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6. Ignorance abounds in DC.
Its not ignorance that makes them do these kinds of things.

Its a fear that the rabble will catch on to the things they're doing, so they feel a need to create a means of disrupting communications between us so they can remain in power.

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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 09:05 PM
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9. This is an excellent point. I've often wondered when opposition, different ideas,
non-conformance would be throttled in the US. The internet does give too much power to the people. Also in a fascist country one doesn't want the people getting too uppity. Ashcroft would have worn out a kill switch for the internet.

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704wipes Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 12:48 AM
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23. i Guess we have to meet in taverns again now
Edited on Sun Aug-29-10 12:49 AM by 704wipes
like the Founding Fathers.

It will be easier to decide there where to place the guillotines anyway....
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 08:55 PM
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7. +1
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 09:10 PM
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11. +2 n/t
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 04:21 PM
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28. Agreed! Napolitano being Totalitarian Wannabe #1.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 08:44 PM
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2. It would demonstrate congress does not understand technology. That would
Edited on Sat Aug-28-10 09:11 PM by RKP5637
put a nice economic bow on the financial mess this country is in... grind it to a halt by an internet kill switch on commerce too. Absolutely brilliant, F'ing absolutely brilliant. Rather than hardening the internet for security, we'll just kill the whole thing if needed. Amazing ignorance.

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skoalyman Donating Member (751 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 08:50 PM
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5. its like having your leg cut off then putting a tourniquet around your neck to stop
to stop the bleeding:argh:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 09:03 PM
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They'll just outsource the internets to anyone brilliant enough to
figure the next method of communication.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 08:50 PM
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4. Sounds like some North Korean or Iranian type shit.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 10:23 PM
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18. +1 nt
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 09:03 PM
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8. Going to include a kill switch for TV, radio, phone,
and electricity service?

If not, why not?
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 09:07 PM
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10. At minimal, I'd like to see a kill switch for Fox News! n/t
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 09:14 PM
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12. WOW so our leaders are setting it up so the
next time we have a Cheney type Presidency that guy will be all powerful be able to shut down political opposition and run straight pravda type propaganda thru the compliant FAUX media outlets and talk radio. If Democratic leaders do not see the danger in this then we are really finished....
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 09:17 PM
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13. Predicted first use: November 1, 2020.
Edited on Sat Aug-28-10 09:18 PM by sofa king
President uses Internet "Kill Switch" for first time

WASHINGTON: Just days before the election, President George Quayle Cheney Reagan-Hitler invoked the first use of the Internet "kill switch," cutting off communications worldwide and costing untold billions in lost commerce and services. Planes fell from the sky, dams opened their floodgates, gas pipelines exploded and sewage lines backed up while President Reagan-Hitler promised to "shut Democratic Underground down for good," no matter what the cost. The website and message board is accused of telling various insidious truths about the Reagan-Hitler Administration which may jeopardize his reelection.

President Reagan-Hitler narrowly won a controversial decision in 2016, winning the Presidency with 24% of the popular vote and a 5-4 Supreme Court decision....
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 11:13 PM
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20. Is it wrong that I laughed at "George Quayle Cheney Reagan-Hitler"?
You forgot his surname, though: "McStalin".
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YankeeLeft7x Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 09:55 PM
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14. Hardly Surprised!!!!!
George Orwell is laughing in his grave. Not so much because of the government doing what it wants all by itself, but, due to an apathetic American public which allows such things to occur over and over again.....

Technology is moving quite fast and people are allowing themselves to be easily tracked anyhow.

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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 04:20 PM
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27. it's not so much apathy as party-brand loyalty: if you have the DLC-shaped Dem party
do things like bank bailouts, mandated private insurance, the IWR, BP protection and collusion, illegal and unconstitutional assassinations of US citizens, sham Wall Street reform, plus a few "good things" thrown in as reverse poison pills, you've knocked out maybe 20-50% of those who'd protest against and complain about those exact same policies if Bush or McAngry had passed them. There seem to be several factors:

% Dems who're as conservative as Dick Cheney (and are thus okay with the abovementioned policies). Remember Rachel Corrie or McKinney's cop-poking non-incident? As I recall, Skinner said we shouldn't defend Cynthia until all the facts came out.
% authoritarians: The Party says it, I believe it, that settles it. Probably thought of ways to poison Romanoff, Lamont, Halter, and Sestak voters for disobeying the Leader, the Commander-in-Chief.
% Dems who think that Dems are the Only Hope for progressive policies, no matter what else they do. Give them a Cleveland steamer and they'll eat the corn out of it.
% Dems who think that those policies are really liberal or "baby steps in the right direction." They think that liberal/left critics are attention whores or schizophrenics. Because, as Dems with Internet connections, they should be better informed, this sector might actually be crazier than somebody tying Earl Grey to their ears and screaming about Stalinonazi public schools.
% low-information moderates who form their opinions based only on cable TV news and vague memories of the Red Menace
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 10:03 PM
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15. Please write your Senators against this.
Example:

Please vote against the Joe Lieberman's "Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act."

We can already respond to internet security issues under current law.

There is no need to give vague Emergency Powers to the executive branch, which will be abused by either the current administration or a future administration.

Having the executive branch order around internet companies is the wrong way to handle internet security.

“Right now, China, the government, can disconnect parts of its Internet in a case of war,” Joe Lieberman told CNN's Candy Crowley. “We need to have that here, too.”

We should not follow China on this.
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 10:08 PM
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16. The Chairman must be smiling. n/t
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 10:18 PM
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17. "force private websites to comply with broad cybersecurity measures"
Do they have any clue at all? They think that they can control the "series of tubes".
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 04:22 PM
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29. They would do as China: Shut off access for citizens.
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 10:51 PM
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19. How well did that work under Nixon?
Sigh. Happy karma, I say.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-28-10 11:48 PM
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21. Shutting off Internet access will only help a dictator
Businesses would collapse, important services like weather couldn't run and communications networks that use VOIP would die.

And those are just a few off the top of my head.

Any president who used the "Kill switch" would also have to deal with massive protests from the populace, whose everyday lives depend on access.

I think it's safe to say that they wouldn't be president any more.
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MattSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 10:32 AM
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25. If only!
I'll have to see those massive protests first, then I'll believe!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 04:23 PM
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30. Operative term: "dictator." They've been known to exist in modern times.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 12:36 AM
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22. I'd worry more if it was vaguely feasible; as is the fact that they think it is annoys me more. (nt)
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 12:54 AM
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24. Wouldn't that simply set the internet kill response as the ultimate goal of various political acts?
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 11:54 AM
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26. And in what POSSIBLE scenarios would they "need" to curb our internet use?
Wouldn't that violate our first amendment rights? Also, if they cut my internet they'll also be cutting my phone line (Vonage), so that puts everyone with an internet phone at risk since we'll no longer be able to dial 911 in an emergency. It seems like there could be lawsuits filed to stop them from ever doing this based on these two points alone.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-29-10 04:24 PM
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31. Marches on DC or NYC?
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