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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:25 PM
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Timmeh with Jon Stewart: rerun from last night.
Edited on Wed May-16-07 08:16 PM by Gabi Hayes
Did he ask fatso about Cheney saying that Russert was the go to guy when they wanted to get the word out?

what was that quote, exactly?

what I've seen so far is nauseating, with Russert pretending to be the digger for truth

Jon is letting him have his say, though, without going into any Russert-watch gems.

weren't there any threads about this the other night?

sad...he didn't take him to task at all.

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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:28 PM
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1. how does he decide after whom after? he did a good job, witih Wolf, and
then, tonight, they did a sketch with him and one of the DS 'correspondents'

Why the COMPLETELY, ABJECTLY free ride for Russert?
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:32 PM
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2. People were APPLAUDING Russert at the start of the show!
At the same time, dinner got just a little bit colder and harder in my stomach when I heard he would be on. What a waste of everyone's time.

Maybe John caved to that pressure?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:36 PM
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4. that's so very sad. I missed the beginning. just shows how even the
'hippest' audiences are pretty clueless as to what's really going on.

check the link I just added to see what I mean.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:47 PM
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13. I don't think so
Because Russert has established himself as the one who "gets the calls at midnight" from the White House, it begged the question why they now avoid him. Bad light on both him and the White House - for the ones who don't realize this yet.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:34 PM
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3. remember Cathie Martin?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/25/AR2007012501951.html

Cathie Martin ......former Cheney communications director took the stand in the perjury trial of former Cheney chief of staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

Flashed on the courtroom computer screens were her notes from 2004 about how Cheney could respond to allegations that the Bush administration had played fast and loose with evidence of Iraq's nuclear ambitions. Option 1: "MTP-VP," she wrote, then listed the pros and cons of a vice presidential appearance on the Sunday show. Under "pro," she wrote: "control message."

"I suggested we put the vice president on 'Meet the Press,' which was a tactic we often used," Martin testified. "It's our best format."



remember how this story just dropped like a depleted uranium turd almost the moment it surfaced? it should have been DEATH for most 'journalist's' credibility, but nobody wanted to touch that one with a lead shielded pole.

it took me about five minutes to find, but Stewart......oh, well. he's just a comedian. I know.

Hoping for too much

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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:42 PM
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5. It nauseated me, too...
...I would have loved to have seen the look on Russert's face had Stewart said, "So Bill Moyers really put you in a bad spot a few weeks ago. How'd that feel?"
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:45 PM
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6. forgot about that. I saw it, but was "impaired," and can't remember
the Moyers/Russert deal.

can you refresh my memory on that?

I wonder how Stewart justified to himself the softpedal with fatboy, especially since he pimped his rotten POS book in the bargain.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:06 PM
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9. Moyers called Russert to task...
...for allowing Cheney to appear on MTP and use the circular argument re: the NYT article about nukes in Iraq.

From the transcript:

BILL MOYERS: Was it just a coincidence in your mind that Cheney came on your show and others went on the other Sunday shows, the very morning that that story appeared?

TIM RUSSERT: I don't know. The NEW YORK TIMES is a better judge of that than I am.

BILL MOYERS: No one tipped you that it was going to happen?

TIM RUSSERT: No, no. I mean-

BILL MOYERS: The-- the Cheney-- office didn't make any-- didn't leak to you that there's gonna be a big story?

TIM RUSSERT: No. No. I mean, I don't-- I don't have the-- this is, you know, on MEET THE PRESS, people come on and there are no ground rules. We can ask any question we want. I did not know about the aluminum-tube story until I read it in the NEW YORK TIMES.

BILL MOYERS: Critics point to September eight, 2002 and to your show in particular, as the classic case of how the press and the government became inseparable.

Someone in the administration plants a dramatic story in the NEW YORK TIMES And then the Vice President comes on your show and points to the NEW YORK TIMES. It's a circular, self-confirming leak.

TIM RUSSERT: I don't know how Judith Miller and Michael Gordon reported that story, who their sources were. It was a front-page story of the NEW YORK TIMES. When Secretary Rice and Vice President Cheney and others came up that Sunday morning on all the Sunday shows, they did exactly that.

TIM RUSSERT: What my concern was, is that there were concerns expressed by other government officials. And to this day, I wish my phone had rung, or I had access to them.

BILL MOYERS: Bob Simon didn't wait for the phone to ring.

BILL MOYERS: When you said a moment ago when we started talking to people who knew about aluminum tubes. What people-who were you talking to?

BOB SIMON: We were talking to people - to scientists - to scientists and to researchers and to people who had been investigating Iraq from the start.

BILL MOYERS: Would these people have been available to any reporter who called or were they exclusive sources for 60 minutes?

BOB SIMON: No, I think that many of them would have been available to any reporter who called.

BILL MOYERS: And you just picked up the phone?

BOB SIMON: Just picked up the phone.

BILL MOYERS: Talked to them?

BOB SIMON: Talked to them and then went down with the cameras.

...(And later)

TIM RUSSERT: I-- look, I'm a blue-collar guy from Buffalo. I know who my sources are. I work 'em very hard. It's the mid-level people that tell you the truth. Now-

BILL MOYERS: They're the ones who know the story?

TIM RUSSERT: Well, they're working on the problem. And they understand the detail much better than a lotta the so-called policy makers and-- and-- and political officials.

BILL MOYERS: But they don't get on the Sunday talk shows--

TIM RUSSERT: No. You-- I mean-- they don't want to be, trust me. I mean, they can lose their jobs, and they know it. But they're-- they can provide information which can help in me challenging or trying to draw out-- sometimes their bosses and other public officials.

BILL MOYERS: What do you make of the fact that of the 414 Iraq stories broadcast on NBC, ABC and CBS nightly news, from September 2002 until February 2003, almost all the stories could be traced back to sources from the White House, the Pentagon, and the State Department?

TIM RUSSERT: It's important that you have a-- an oppos-- opposition party. That's our system of government.

BILL MOYERS: So, it's not news unless there's somebody-

TIM RUSSERT: No, no, no. I didn't say that. But it's important to have an opposition party, your opposit-- opposing views.


Moyers made Russert look like the dilletante he is. It was delightful and a scathing indictment of the entirety of mainstream American media.

You can watch the entire episode http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html">here.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:15 PM
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10. Thanks! I thought you were talking about the Stewart appearance on his Journal.
that's the buying the war show. I taped it, but our PBS mislabeled gthe schedule, and I got the wrong show

no wonder I don't remember any of that

what an utter tool that guy is

amazing that anybody still buys a word he says

and isn't it amazing that there was basically ZERO coverage in the rest of the media of that show? can't imagine why.....

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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:42 PM
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12. Actually there was a little discussion...
...of Moyers' show ex post facto.

Almost immediately, the mainstream press and the Beltway types in particular went into a frenzy attempting to discredit the show. Their howls of protest were little more than affirmation of Moyers' accuracy. After a day or so, they realized Americans didn't want to wake from their slumber to pay attention to Moyers anyway, so they let it be.

This nation is in serious, serious trouble due to the lack of a viable Fourth Estate and the stupor cast over the populace by television.
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:48 PM
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7. Why is Russert doing the talk-show rounds?
Is he promoting anything? Maybe his image?
But on The Daily Show?!
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 08:42 PM
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11. His book just came out in paperback
Stewart mentioned it at the beginning of the interview and never brought it up again. Overall, the audience cheered Stewart's questions way more than they did anything Russert said.
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 10:59 PM
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15. Completely missed it
Thanks.

Guess I was waiting for Jon to start asking some real questions, or overwhelmed with distaste for Russert; in any event didn't catch his book at all
Which is a good thing. LOL

Would it be too mean spirited to wish it sells as well as Mary Cheney's book? ;)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:49 PM
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8. I loved Jon's idea of a "Jerry Lewis" style marathon town meeting
where the American people could ask the administration the questions the media won't--and the admins can't leave until all questions are answered.

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 09:06 PM
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14. Jon was fanTAStic (as usual), pinning Timmeh, w/o being belligerant
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