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bik0 Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 09:53 PM
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The Arab Lobby Rules America
Edited on Mon Aug-30-10 09:55 PM by bik0
Review of new book by Alan Dershowitz...

Lost in all of the controversy over the mosque is the fact that the Arab lobby is one of the strongest in America—even stronger than Israel’s, says a controversial new book.

Both the pro-Israel and pro-Arab lobby (really lobbies because there are several for each) are indeed powerful but there is a big difference—a difference that goes to the heart of the role of lobbying in a democracy. Bard puts it this way:
"One of the most important distinguishing characteristics of the Arab lobby is that it has no popular support. While the Israeli lobby has hundreds of thousands of grass root members and public opinion polls consistently reveal a huge gap between support for Israel and the Arab nations/Palestinians, the Arab lobby has almost no foot soldiers or public sympathy. It's most powerful elements tend to be bureaucrats who represent only their personal views or what they believe are their institutional interests, and foreign governments that care only about their national interests, not those of the United States. What they lack in human capital in terms of American advocates, they make up for with almost unlimited resources to try to buy what they usually cannot win on the merits of their arguments."

But why is the Arab lobby, and most particularly the Saudi lobby, also powerful? Saudi Arabia has virtually no support among Americans. Indeed, it is widely reviled for its export of terrorists such as Osama bin Laden, its manipulation of oil prices, its anti-Christian and anti-Semitic policies, its total deprivation of any semblance of freedom of speech or dissent, and its primitive forms of punishment that include stoning and amputation. Yet, as Bard demonstrates, the Saudi lobby has beaten the pro-Israel lobby over and over again in head-to-head conflicts, such as the sale of sophisticated weapons to a regime that doesn't even have the technical skills to use them, and the conflict over whether to move the United States' embassy to Jerusalem. Even now, Saudi Arabia is lobbying to obtain a multibillion-dollar arms deal, and it is likely to succeed over the objections of Israel.

How then does a lobby with no popular support manage to exert influence in a democratic country? The secret is very simple. The Arab lobby in general and the Saudis in particular make little effort to influence popularly elected public officials, particularly legislators. Again, listen to Bard:
"The Saudis have taken a different tact from the Israeli lobby, focusing a top-down rather than bottom-up approach to lobbying. As hired gun, J. Crawford Cook, wrote in laying out his proposed strategy for the kingdom, 'Saudi Arabia has a need to influence the few that influence the many, rather than the need to influence the many to whom the few must respond.'"
The primary means by which the Saudis exercise this influence is money. They spend enormous amounts of lucre to buy (or rent) former state department officials, diplomats, White House aides, and legislative leaders who become their elite lobbying corps. Far more insidiously, the Saudis let it be known that if current government officials want to be hired following their retirement from government service, they had better hew to the Saudi line while they are serving in our government. The former Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar, who was so close to the President George H.W. Bush that he referred to himself as "Bandar Bush," acknowledged the relationship between how a government official behaves while in office and how well he will be rewarded when he leaves office. "If the reputation then builds that the Saudis take care of friends when they leave office, you'd be surprised how much better friends you have when they are just coming into office."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-08-24/the-arab-lobby-in-america-alan-dershowitz/


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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 09:54 PM
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1. *cough* Bullshit *cough*
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:00 PM
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2. Fuckin' A.
:thumbsup:
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:03 PM
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3. They influence the few by monarch doctrine also
Edited on Mon Aug-30-10 10:04 PM by RandomThoughts
Heard a post about that earlier, it says people 'corrupt' or sinful, can not self rule. Read a post about that, they then think they can decide what is corrupt and defend monarchy ideas with there views of what is bad and good.

If you get a person to think people are lesser, or themselves more, then it is pretty easy for them to get them to side with monarchs or totalitarianism.

You can even hear about an offshoot of that doctrine, the kinder dictator, that seperates those in that doctrine with the concept of caring for those that can't rule themselves in their view, and disregarding them. So even in that doctrine there are factions.

Monarch doctrine is also supported by many delusions of having some kind of power, or thinking a person or group is superior by a variety of delusions. Race, heritage, blood lines, smarts, piety as the person defines it, or many other things.
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:05 PM
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4. Both are equally repulsive.
Try selling your crocodile tears somewhere else.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:08 PM
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8. !Thank you!
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:05 PM
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5. The Saudis are clearly using a top down approach, buying the BFEE for example
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:08 PM
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6. I picture a world free of both the zionists and the wahhabists. And it is good.
I picture Israeli and Palestinian living side-by-side.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:20 PM
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10. "Free of zionists" means no Israel.
So how could Israelis and Palestinians live side by side? The Israelis would no longer be living. It's that "right to exist" thing which you wish withdrawn. You do know that is what "zionism" means, right?
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:22 PM
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11. No it doesn't, There can be Israelis without zionists.
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:33 PM
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12. Not really, no.
I think you seriously misunderstand the meaning of the word "Zionism."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 11:13 PM
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 11:36 PM
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15. Don't you ever put words in my mouth. No. That is NOT what I wanted to say.
Israel and Palestine both have a right to exist if either has a right to exist.

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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 12:34 AM
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16. Can't have an Israel without Zionism.
It's kinda the point of Zionism.
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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 12:42 AM
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17. Ok, but how much? nt
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 12:44 AM
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18. A Zionism where a Jewish state and a Palestinian state live in peace.
A FAIR peace.
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Electric Monk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 12:46 AM
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19. swoon
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 12:52 AM
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20. I would swoon too if they ever manage to pull it off.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:08 PM
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7. Saudi Arabia doesn't NEED a lobby
The Saudis have all the power and money they could want. And they have the Bushes in their back pockets.

In fact, America probably lobbies THEIR government for favors.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:13 PM
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9. Is the term "Dersh-bag" acceptable under DU's TOS?
The Dersh has been unmasked as a imperialist cheerleader ever since he published a series of feel-good articles about the legitimacy and justification of torture.

Sorry, Al. You're an asshole.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-30-10 10:50 PM
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13. The Saudis don't need a lobby or money. They have oil.
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Zoeisright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 01:51 AM
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21. The second I saw the name 'Dershowitz' I knew the story would be batshit crazy.
What a bunch of crap.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-31-10 12:27 PM
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22. he's a foaming at the mouth batshit crazy person. n/t
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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-10 11:59 AM
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23. No good will ever come to Americans
when the most powerful lobby(s) in America and of Congress lobbies not for Americans, but for another nation.

Americans should be outraged about both and both should be banned.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-10 12:03 PM
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24. OK, that is one of the funniest thngs I have ever read.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

What Dershowitz is talkimg about is the OIL LOBBY plain and simple, not the "Arab" lobby. :eyes:
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