Does The Right Desire a Military Dictatorship?

[dehaiti]

I have been wondering for a few years if the right wing isn't preparing the country for a military dictatorship. When I was young there was a draft and you went off did your two years, came back and went to work. It wasn't a big deal, it was national service and there were no "support our troops" bumper stickers or little red, white and blue ribbons. You just served your country, end of story. When the Viet Nam war came along and the draftees from all walks of life realized they were being used as cannon fodder for an unwinnable cause they told the folks back home and eventually the war was stopped. Shortly thereafter came the all volunteer military which depended on a certain level of unemployment in the civilian world to entice people to join the military. It also ensured that the sons and daughter of the ones who ran the country and the media would not have to serve their country involuntarily. It's worked out well thus far for them.
Now though I see the military being elevated to some form of reverence beyond reason. The right expects the military to be revered above all else, anything else is treasonous. In the next breath they talk about taking back the country.
This sort of talk concerns me.

[Fumesucker]

1. Yes..

SATSQ..

[Catshrink]

2. I've received RW emails demanding that Obama be removed and

replaced by a military general. I don't think the sender even stops to think what he's saying or forwarding - he jsut wants Obama out because god forbid he's Black.

[RandomThoughts]

3. We might have that already.

Would be interesting to know how many people in many sectors use to work with military or had contracts with other organizations at some point.

Eisenhower warned about it years ago, Why has those comments rarely been mentioned on TV since then.

[Hekate]

4. Theocracy backed by the military

check out TheocracyWatch.org
Follow the links to primary sources, but bring a barf bucket.

[Turborama]

20. That's what I was getting from the snippets I've heard of what was said at Sunday's Soreloserpalooza

I was thinking that Beck/Palin and their disciples sound like they want some kind of Christian Ayatollah and a "Republican" Guard.

[Hekate]

23. It's been in the works for over 30 years, I kid you not. They have not "won" but it's amazing...

... how batshit crazy they are -- and the kind of inroads they have managed to make into popular culture.

Thanks to DU I did a whole bunch of research about 6 years ago, but can't go back there because of the visceral reaction I get. TheocracyWatch.org is actually very, very good -- run by rational people with a bent for research and facts. As a scholar myself I always appreciate when primary sources are cited/linked: I like to know what people are saying about themselves (i.e. "This is why we think we are SO wonderful," while I am going "Holy Mother! they're nuts!")

Hekate

[sea four]

5. Corporate-theocratic-military dictatorship.

That's what they want.

[dehaiti]

8. How About a Balance Budget?

How can these nuts talk about reducing the national debt without ever mentioning that the US Navy has more airplanes than any other countries AIR FORCE? The US Navy has more ships than the next 13 countries and 11 of them are our allies. We spend more on "defense" than all the other countries in the world combined. Defense against what? Want to talk about the national debt? Our national debt needs defense against "defense".
We can't afford paying for health care or unemployment but we can afford this irresponsible "defense" spending? Why don't the "conservatives" bring this up? In what way are they conservative? Thus far I've seen no evidence that any conservatives still exist, they need to get themselves another label.

[BeFree]

13. welcome to DU, dehaiti

You may just have a long and prosperous career here.

They, the neo-cons, have put to shame the meaning of the word conservative. Used to be we could at least work with and reason with them. Those days are long gone.

[red red red]

6. Could I email this...

to my brother-in-law? Very thought-provoking and I totally agree. :)

[dehaiti]

12. Sure

While you're at it ask him why there's all this talk about Obama being socialist or a Nazi. Obama is being compared to Hitler who was commander of the largest military in the world at the time. The USSR bankrupted its economy by military spending. Is that the problem the right has with Obama? Or is it just the black thing?

[Lilith Velkor]

7. Yes and no

Yes because they are authoritarian dickheads, and no because a military dictatorship would be fair in ways they don't like.

And no, the military doesn't want to bring back the draft like all the old hippies want...in fact, that's the very last thing they want, because fragging is bad for cohesion and morale and whatnot...in fact, that's part of what really ended the war, but if you insist on living in the old hippie fantasy world like so many others here, of course feel free....

[red red red]

9. I was not saying...

that I wanted this. He's a Texas Republican and always sending stuff to me about the Dems. I wanted to show him what I think the Pugs are after. And, thanks.

[Lilith Velkor]

11. no problem

And welcome. :hi:

[tularetom]

10. They think they do because they'd be on the "right" side of things

But a military dictatorship would not take any of their shit, like for instance allowing some loudmouth failed morning zoo DJ to stage a freak show on US government property.

They'd clamp down on the "tea party" right fuckin now, and those clowns would never know what hit them.

The tea party clowns would probably be the first to feel the brunt of military rule.

[cynatnite]

14. Read John Dean's Conservatives without Conscience..

He delves deeply into this subject. I can't recommend it enough.

[DBoon]

15. they have since they started in the 1950's

the grand founder of the modern right, William F Buckley, was very fond of folks like Pinochet, Franco and our won Joe McCarthy:

The ugliness of Buckley’s public advocacy was not restricted to race. McCarthy and His Enemies, published in 1954 and coauthored by Buckley with Brent Bozell Sr., called Sen. Joseph McCarthy "a prophet," and described McCarthyism as "a movement around which men of good will and stern morality can close ranks."

Buckley’s disdain for what he called "liberals' fetishistic commitment to democracy" (William F. Buckley, John Judis) was evident in his admiration for dictators, including Spain's Francisco Franco and Chile's Augusto Pinochet. "General Franco is an authentic national hero," wrote Buckley (National Review, 10/ 26/57), lauding the fascist for wresting Spain from its democracy and "the visionaries, ideologues, Marxists and nihilists" in charge. Pinochet was defended (National Review, 11/23/98) for deposing the democratically elected Salvador Allende, "a president who was defiling the Chilean constitution and waving proudly the banner of his friend and idol, Fidel Castro."

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3406

Jesse Helms was best buddies with "Blowtorch Bob", named for his favorite method of torturing and killing political opponents:

Major Roberto D'Aubuisson Arrieta (23 August 1944–20 February 1992), was the Salvadoran Army officer and political leader who founded the Nationalist Republican Alliance (ARENA), which he led from 1980 to 1985. He was known as Chele (light-skinned face) and was organiser-leader of the death squads who tortured and killed thousands of civilians, before and during the Salvadoran Civil War (1980–1992). To political prisoners, the Major was "Blowtorch Bob" and "The Blowtorch", because he tortured with a blowtorch.

http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/592118

and there was Reagan's infatuation with Efraín Ríos Montt of Guatemala, an evangelical "christian" who murdered hundreds of thousands of peasants in his fight against "communist guerillas"

And Operation Condor

Operation Condor (Spanish: Operación Cóndor, also known as Plan Cóndor, Portuguese: Operação Condor), was a campaign of political repression involving assassination and intelligence operations officially implemented in 1975 by the right-wing dictatorships of the Southern Cone of South America. The program aimed to eradicate alleged socialist and communist influence and ideas and to control active or potential opposition movements against the participating governments.<1> Due to its clandestine nature, the precise number of deaths directly attributable to Operation Condor is highly disputed. It is estimated that a minimum of 60,000 deaths can be attributed to Condor,<2> possibly more.<3><4><5>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor

This is what the right wing in the USA will do. Never for a moment believe the American Right Wing is reasonable, humane and honest. Never believe they are anything but a brutal authoritarian movement intent on eradicating all opposition.

[Juche]

16. They want a Pinochet or Shah to come to power

A military leader who will purge all the leftists, roll back social/economic justice and implement conservative economics and social policy.

I even read an op-ed in the local paper not long after the 08 election where someone dreamed of a grassroots military coup. Yes, these people want a coup. That really isn't controversial in my view, they have openly talked about it for years.

[Posteritatis]

17. Given the pedestal they put the armed foces on...

...I seriously wonder at times if they don't think the US already has one, which they approve of, and they're trying to defend or expand it.

[BeHereNow]

18. Not just a military dictatorship, a CHRISTIAN military dictatorship.

Ever visited the Yurica Report?
You wont sleep for days...
From the archives there:

http://www.yuricareport.com/BushSecondTerm/WhatMrBush2ndInauguralMeans.html
"What becomes clear is the President was speaking code to the politically active religious right across America and around the world. In fact, Mr. Bush was making perfect sense to the religious adherents of dominionism (the belief that “Christians” must take control and dominate and rule in all civil and governmental affairs here in America and in every nation of the world). If my conclusions are correct, the speech is alarming and threatening."

The dominionist movement is biggest threat this country has ever faced and they are everywhere,
in government, school boards, the military, you name it- they have infiltrated it.

You've heard of "The Family," right?

BHN

[Lydia Leftcoast]

19. The right-wing billionaire cranks want a military dictatorship

to keep the peasants in line, but they'll describe it as "Christian," and the poor shlubs, most of whom know next to nothing about what Jesus actually taught, will say that it must be a good thing then.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

21. Based on comments I've seen on Free Republic, yes

Those nutjobs have been flat-out saying for months that they want the military to overthrow the president and impose martial law

[HEyHEY]

22. They aren't "preparing" for it, they are just too dumb to realize that's what they want

I'm always shocked at how fucking dumb the right is when they go on about "Don't tread on me" and such. But, as soon as they get the chance they suddenly want laws for everything and heavy-handed justices.

Seems to me they basically are just angry in general and like heavy handed justice and such because people they don't know suffer, which they get off on.