Where our rights come from.

[WingDinger]

The Constitution states that they are given us by our creator. That being an abstraction, a literary device. To nest our liberties in a thing outside the Governments reach. This clearly is not a call for theocracy.

But Beck and his gang focus on this issue, with laserbeam, if not moonbeam intensity, on making THAT point, an idol, to be bowed down to. What is the power, and function of this idol?

This idol, makes what you have, what you are allowed, what you can expect, from Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Where was this forcefully applied?

At the lincoln Memorial, on the MLK holiday. Usurping to every extent possible, the mantle of fairness and justice. What message does this send?

Hey colors! Poor, everyone dissatisfied with their circumstances. It is from GOD, and to ask for more, is BLASPHEMY. Pushing for any right, is now punching GOD in the nose.

This is the answer to how they will deal with those they dispise. They will ignore them, and call them vile, and blasphemers. Worthy of all they endure. This is the business end of free markets being your lord and saviour. People will die in the streets. But Republicans didnt do it. GOd did.

This is the logical extension of calvinism. But they were so NICE, at that rally. Injecting THEOCRACY into your platform of exclusion, and hate feels SO GOOD.

The good news is, they are about to implode. The swaggering pronouncements of puritan purges of GOP of any trace of less than fascist, will culminate in soylent green pronouncements, when the rubber meets the road. And Cantor and Tanman will be powerless to stop them. Palin will be ignored, when she calls for an oxymoronic civility.

Juxtapose this with no drama Obama, and I think GOP will shoot itself in the foot. My real fear is they will then learn something. Until then, we can consider the press fawning attention on an uncouth political mob as trolling in the end.

[Jim__]

1. The Constitution never mentions god or a creator.

The Constitution lists the powers and responsibilities of the various branches of the federal government. The 9th amendment recognizes that people have rights; but nothing in the Constitution enumerates those rights or tells us where they originate.

The Declaration of Independence did state that all men are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights. But, nothing specifically incorporated this assumption into the Constitution.

[DavidDvorkin]

2. Even the Declaration wasn't written that way originally

Jefferson wrote something like, "All men are created equal, and by virtue of that equal birth they are endowed with certain unalienable rights ... " (I can't remember the exact wording.)

The Creator phrase was inserted instead by the others, for political reasons.

[MineralMan]

3. No, the Constitution does NOT say that. Not at all.

The only place that the "Creator" is mentioned is in the Declaration of Independence. It is very, very important to get this stuff right if you're going to argue the question. The Declaration of Independence has no particular weight under the law. It is NOT the Constitution, and nothing in it is law. It is merely our declaration of independence from England. The Constitution is a completely separate document, and is not dependent on, nor is it linked to, the Declaration of Independence.

So...you're off at the beginning of your OP. When you make a basic mistake like that, your argument is bound to fail when someone comes to dispute what you said.

We need desperately to get our arguments correct. Incorrect premises spoil the entire argument.

For that reason, I have unrecommended your post. Since it begins with an inaccuracy, I did not even bother to read the rest of it. Start with an accurate premise, and I will read your post. Start with an inaccuracy, and I will discard it completely.

[WingDinger]

4. Then call it our mission statement. That is where the right thinks they derive.

[MineralMan]

5. No, thanks. I deal with the reality of things, not some fantasy

view of history. Learn history and you'll know the future.