Official 'I wish Saddam still in power, we never invaded, 5000 brave US Soldiers still alive Thread

[Parche]

In Their Memory.........


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[Drunken Irishman]

1. No I don't wish Saddam was still in power.

Other than that, sure!

:patriot:

[HysteryDiagnosis]

13. I heard it rumored that Christian churches were let alone in those

days, there were more PHD's per capita in Iraq than in America and women held all sorts of positions that they have probably never held in Afghanistan. Lawyers, doctors, professors and so forth. Tell me if I am wrong.

[slay]

21. You are 100% correct

Iraqi's had it much much much better off under Sadamm - in general. Women could dress in jeans and t-shirts AND their oil money paid for college for everyone who wanted to go. They had running water, steady electricity, and didn't have sewage running in the streets like they do now. Oh and there were a couple hundred thousand more Iraqi's alive back then.

Sadamm was a bad dude - a dictator no less. But how else are you going to run a country full of radical religious extremists? I feel very sorry for the Iraqi's and what we did to them. If they didn't have oil we never would have fucked with them to begin with. :(

[LostinVA]

26. You are 100% correct

And, children could play on playgrounds and go to school...

[denem]

2. What about up to 1 million Iraqi's?

2 million refugees
5 million PSTD cases.

Oh forget it.

[gerenimox]

18. who cares if a few millions of muslims got genocided?

in the christian world no one does.

[gophates]

3. I wish the Five Traitors had never stolen the election.

A real President would have handled this without the mess.

[Tansy_Gold]

4. As difficult as it is to wish for Saddam back, maybe it would have

been a whole lot better.

He was, after all, contained. Most of us knew -- or were pretty damn sure -- there were no WMDs and suspected that even if there WERE, Saddam would be a fool to use them.

So I'll K&R to counter at least one of the unrecs, because I think the invasion was a mistake from the very beginning. There are a lot of bad heads of state around the world, but we don't seem to be going after them. North Korea, for example. I think there's a reason behind that saying about better the devil you know. . . . ..




TG, NTY

[Dawson Leery]

5. Saddam was a little 'man' and was well contained.

[gophates]

7. Unlike Dim Son, who was a loose canon.

Not well contained. Too bad.

[indepat]

12. Gather you do not buy into the History Channel's Hitler-Saddam bit

:P

[Sinistrous]

6. But all those things did happen.

The bush/Cheney cabal needs to go to prison en masse.

But to wish the war didn't happen is pointless.

[USArmyParatrooper]

8. I don't wish Saddam was still in power

Prior to my first tour in Iraq I thought Saddam's brutality might have been exaggerated a bit (though I never doubted he was brutal). But from countless conversations with many Iraqis I learned Saddam and his sons were even more brutal than even the media portrayed.

I do think invading Iraq was a huge mistake, but I'm not sorry Saddam is gone.

[RandomThoughts]

10. When Sadam died naturally, after a couple decades.

His handing of power by monarchy totalitarian ways, would have caused the civil war that would have liberated Iraq, would have taken a few decades.

The US invasion was using the wrong means, when you can not use better means, do nothing till an opening occurs, a window where better ways of helping people allows for better methods to fix things.

[WinkyDink]

16. We killed more Iraqis, I'd bet.

[TheKentuckian]

9. I'm forced to agree because we'll need to replace him to ever really leave

Down to another Sunni dictator.

[babylonsister]

11. I think we just washed our hands of any responsibility. Sure,

we can suggest and coax, but we're out, finally, sounds like to me.

[TheKentuckian]

15. I heard long term relationship, commitment, and "advisers"

I'll believe it when every troop (minus 1-2k tops to protect the McEmbassy) and mercenary is out, including our funding for them).

Until then we are in neck deep at least.

[aquart]

14. If we had waited till he died naturally or his sons killed him

then we could have come in as honest brokers and all sorts of people would still be alive.

The oil would have waited.

[ipaint]

17. People have short memories

"imagine what it must have been like for some of them. They were probably huddled in their houses- some of them- tens of thousands of them- couldn’t leave the city. They didn’t have transport or they simply didn’t have a place to go. They sat in their homes, hoping that what people said about Americans was actually true- that in spite of their huge machines and endless weapons, they were human too.

And then the rain of bombs would begin… the wooooosh of the missiles as they fell and the sound of the explosion as it hit its target… and no matter how prepared you think you are for that explosion- it always makes you flinch. I imagine their children covering their ears and some of them crying, trying to cover up the mechanical sounds of war with their more human wails. I imagine that as the tanks got closer, and the planes got lower- the fear increased- and parents searched each other’s faces for a solution, for a way out of the horror. Some of them probably decided to wait it out in their homes, and others must have been desperate to get out- fearing the rain of concrete and steel and thinking their chances were better in the open air, than confined in the homes that could at any moment turn into their tombs.

That’s what we were told before the Americans came- it’s safer to be outside of the house during an air strike than it is to be inside of the house. Inside of the house, a missile nearby would turn the windows into millions of little daggers and walls might come crashing down. In the garden, or even the street, you’d only have to worry about shrapnel and debris if the bomb was very close- but what were the chances of that?

That was before 2003… and certainly before Falloojeh.

That was before men, women and children left their homes only to be engulfed in a rain of fire."

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_archive.html


Americans better hope there is no such thing as karma. What we did was an atrocity. There are no words to describe the horror and devastation we wrought on an innocent people. Absolutely obscene.

[G_j]

20. +1000

[Raster]

25. History will not--and should not--be kind to us for Iraq.

An illegal, immoral war predicated solely on lies and false truths for vanity and greed. Turn the page? I think not.

[ShadowLiberal]

19. Saddam was predictable and could be controlled with force if necessary, what we have now can't be

Things would likely be simpler today with Saddam in power, simply because it was easy to predict what a Saddam might do. If Saddam tries to invade a nearby country like he did Kuwait we can just send in troops to stop his invasion and save the country, and push them back to Iraq, then go home. Problem solved fast and cheaply.

The problem we caused by getting rid of Saddam is that we've upset the balance of power in the middle east, we made Iran stronger and more of a threat to us by taking out Saddam, and Iran noticed and has taken full advantage of it with their nuclear weapon development. They know full well we don't have the troops or money to spare to come in and invade and occupy them like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan, not when things were so bad we had to talk about the possibility of being forced to bring back the draft to keep up those wars (a move Iran knows would be suicide for any American politician).

And it's more then just Iran that's been given power by this, we opened Pandora's box by getting rid of Saddam, and there's no way to close it.

[FiveGoodMen]

22. Count me in.

A horrible mistake from start to ...

... well, it's never really going to be finished, is it?

[LynneSin]

23. Not sure if I can buy into the "Saddam in Power" part but the rest of it I could

n/t

[Xithras]

24. Saddam was responsible for the genocide of approximately 200,000 Iraqi's

So we had to kill 650,000 Iraqi's to free them from his tyrrany.