Glenn Beck The Mormon, Remember Sept 11 1857?

[SweepPicker]

Mormon terrorism? Does Beck speak of this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

[comtec]

1. very interesting (nt)

[Bitwit1234]

2. I knew what it was right off

the Mormons hushed it up quickly. They still do no admit that the Mormon leader was the instigator. He told the Mormons to kill the people and blame the Indians.

[one_voice]

3. I watched the movie...

"September Dawn" it was based on this. Good movie.

[eShirl]

11. available on Netflix (dvd) and Amazon (on-demand and dvd)

[kestrel91316]

4. Heh. Mountain Meadows. My g-g-g-grandfather is likely one of the REAL

perpetrators of that incident. Nothing quite like having a major league black sheep in the family, lol. MMM was a "hit" ordered by Brigham Young and carried out by the Danites, of whom my ancestor was the head.

[FreeState]

13. I like to tell my LDS family I'm the pink sheep

But black and pink go well together;)

[grantcart]

16. My ggg grandfather lit the match

Jedidiah Morgan Grant was Brigham Young's Sledgehammer.

The year before he toured the outback and got the rural folks all riled up so that they could carry out the murder by conducting the hate fest known as the 'Reformation of 1856".

His reward was to be made first mayor of SLC.

He died shortly thereafter because his travels gave him pnumonia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedidiah_Morgan_Grant



A second impact of the Reformation was an increase in practical and emotional unity among the Church membership. Historians James Allen and Glen Leonard point out that the Reformation "...may have accounted for the fact that the following year the Saints were emotionally prepared to confront the army of the United States en route to Utah."<7> During this conflict, known as the Utah War, Mormon militia were asked to engage in diversionary action on the plains and in Wyoming. And Church members were prepared, under Young's direction, to abandon and destroy their homes, farms, and businesses and move again to the White Mountains of Arizona, which Young had selected as a possible place of refuge should full-scale war begin. Historians have also asserted that the emotional rhetoric contributed to the defensive dialogue and actions in Southern Utah which ultimately burst forth in the Mountain Meadows massacre.

[moobu2]

5. They executed every child old enough to tell on them

they just brought them out, asked them how old they were, and shot them in the head if they were over a certain age. They believed it was ok as long as the shed their victims blood upon the ground. They let a few children live and raised them as Mormons.

[Brother Buzz]

14. They though they executed every child old enough to tell

Seventeen children were recovered two years later, and sent east to family members. Knowledge of to two additional girls existed, but they were not located. Many had stories to tell.


One of the most compelling stories that circulated back in the days was attributed to a boy first identified as John Calvin. He was actually John Calvin Miller, son of Joseph and Matilda Miller. John would often tell how he picked arrows from his mother's body as fast as the Indians would shoot them into her flesh. He saw his grandfather, grandmother, aunt, father, brother, and mother murdered. Clenching his little fists, he would burst into a passionate little speech like this: "When I get to be a man I'll go the President of the United States and ask for a regiment of soldiers to go and find John D. Lee. But I don't want to have anybody kill him; I want to shoot him myself, for he killed my father. He shot my father in the back, but I would shoot him in the face."

Perhaps a bit of embellishment of a real story actually helped the Mormons suppress the truth for so many years.

John Calvin Miller (1851-??) - The son of Josiah and Matilda Cameron Miller, six year-old John, along with his four year-old sister, Mary, and one year-old brother, William "Joseph" Tillman Miller were spared due their age. John Calvin and his, brother William, were placed with the Mormon family of E.H. Groves in Harmony, Utah, while their sister, Mary was placed with the John Morris family in Cedar City. John Calvin, when rescued, said he was near his mother, Matilda, when she was killed and pulled arrows from her back until she was dead. He also stated that he had two older brothers, one named James and another named Henry. However, records don't indicate that he had a brother named Henry, but did have an Uncle Henry Cameron, who was 16 years-old and killed in the massacre. His parents and nine year-old brother, James, were killed in the tragic event. John Calvin; however, and his four year-old sister, Mary, and one year-old brother, William "Joseph" Tillman Miller were spared due their age. In December, 1859, John Calvin Miller, along with Emberson Milum Tackitt, were both taken to Washington D.C. by Jacob Forney, the non-Mormon Superintendent of Indian Affairs for Utah, to give their accounts of the massacre to the government. Interestingly, no records of their accounts appear to exist. John Calvin and his siblings were returned to Arkansas, where they were raised by Nancy Cameron Littleton in Crawford County.

[BrklynLiberal]

6. Horrifying.

Another bunch of religious fanatics....they are all dangerous..one way or another...

[glitch]

7. +scary. I bet they're as into the significance of dates as the bfee.

Creeps fighting evolution every step of the way. :thumbsdown:

[BrklynLiberal]

8. I agree. They would drag us back to the 12th Century if they could.

Witch burnings and all.....

[glitch]

9. They should be careful what they wish for...

mobs can and do turn.

[SweepPicker]

10. I agree

How can religion be so beautiful but yet so brutal?

[Archae]

12. Product of the times...

And a product of the con artists who began the Mormon church.

[Radical Activist]

15. What was the motivation?

A lot of wagon trains passed through Utah. Why was this one attacked and not others?

[RandomThoughts]

17. Does the Mormon Church recognize Glenn Beck, or Mit Romney

Or Harry Reid's political positions or thoughts on issues?


Really much of the Mormon positions are really easy to understand. The rituals, the ancestor obsessions, and even some of the spiritual craft.

Seen some people in LDS use that where when one would talk the other would try and block or jam. The problem with that is it requires self righteous thoughts, although it can be funny.


On a side note.

I was backstabbed by a Mormon manager once, I had a great quarter at work, had 1000s in vendor credits to increase sales by lowering price, when he was asked by his boss about it, he said he would check it out. So I printed up a full account of all the work. And he threw it away and took credit. I think he thought because I drank, he should take credit for my work. That was years ago, still remember that. I also got second place, in an art contest for a sales display for frozen food, The Penguin Derby it was called. You can even look it up in Albertson's monthly magazine from the 90s. Was really cool, had a road made of streamers and a full suspension bridge with penguins racing. What memories, had vendors build displays on the different cooler cases, one was Hawaiian's own juice, the other Tombstone Pizza. It was Midway Albertsons. I remember that. Had a penguin in a huge paper airplane also. Was really good actually.

I even remember the beginning of the report.

"In response for your request regarding information on retail markdown, enclosed is a list of all credits and retail price changes..."

but I degrees, yet it is all true, and matches so many things it is incredible.

Although I dispute the 2nd place art thing, since it was based on some other things also. People do that alot.