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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 01:34 AM
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Say what you want about American Idol, but it is sadly one of the clearest commentaries on America.
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 01:39 AM by Dark
Not on purpose. But it brilliantly showcases one of the things that's so wrong with our country - inability to accept criticism.

How many individuals who absolutely suck at singing do we see on there? Many. What's the vastly common reaction? "The judges just don't know what they're talking about" or "They'll see. I'll be big one day."

The failed contestants reject the criticism rather than learn from it. They think that by virtue of being born, they are uniquely talented and correct in their opinions.

One of them even got a record contract because he stood up to them, despite the fact that he was truly atrocious.

And it follows a traditional narrative in our culture. That, despite rejection after rejection, the character perseveres. They work hard and their talent plus training makes them amazing, but no one acknowledges their abilities. Until someone finally recognizes their skill and gives them everything.

Reality is often different.

True excellence is achieved through accepting criticisms and using them to improve one's abilities or accepting that no, one cannot sing, so one should look at what one IS talented at doing. But we don't see that. We don't root for that. We root for the ignorant position.

Take the America first crowd, which refuses to accept any possibility that America has done horrible things (i.e., our treatment of native americans, our internment of Japanese, our war in Vietnam, our butchering of the middle class, etc.) They may give a passing glance at such things, but they will continue on the "We're number 1" tirade despite much proof to the contrary. If something's wrong, it can't be us, it's our critics who are mistaken. They can't see our talent, our skill, our nobility.

Take Bush, who said he couldn't think of a mistake. Take Iraq, where we still claim we're doing the right thing (or Afghanistan). Take the "love America or leave it" crowd. Take conservatives, who look at facts that contradict their opinions (see stimulus bill, foreign aid, deficit, etc.) and decide the facts are wrong. And yes, we liberals are guilty of that sin at times as well (see how we treat indicted dems versus indicted republicans). I must admit, though, that the conservatives are more guilty of this than the liberals.

Take the birthers. It's a classic Hollywood movie or novel. A small group of people, turned down and mocked at every turn as delusional. Even the SC said they don't have a case. Everyone says they have no evidence, no proof. But they know different, they'll persevere. They'll prove the president is a manchurian candidate and save the country from his evil clutches.

We as a country, as a people, cannot accept that sometimes we are wrong. We cannot accept good criticism of our nation, of our regions, of our positions or of our opinions and use it to make ourselves better. Instead, we either blame someone else (judges on American idol, an ungrateful public; or the media, the politicians, talk show radio, the movies, the south, the religious) as being delusional and lying, or we simply say they're wrong.

To fix this country, we have to realize that we are, ultimately, the problem. We are the ones who don't pay attention, who don't know the constitution, who don't know the budget, who don't know the subtleties of other cultures. We are the ones who furiously contend that we are right, not the other side, whomever that may be.

I am not speaking of DU in particular; however, we are AMERICANS. Our great chain of a nation is only as strong as its weakest link. To fix this country, we have to realize that we are, ultimately, the problem.

But, we're also the solution.


P.S. Here's a funny video, to lighten the mood a bit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjvaNaBV3MQ oh and on edit, wanted to incorporate the birthers.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 04:25 AM
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1. Well, that's a bit of a stretch . . .
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 04:26 AM by MrModerate
Because those you mention who won't accept criticism are quickly IDed as losers and disappear. William Hung was a freak who made a nickel on freakiness. Oldest story in show business. They used to call such performers "geeks," after the guys who bit the heads off chickens in carnival sideshows. Nothing new here.

So, if you want to equate the flat-earther birther no-opposable thumb crowd with universally despised losers, I'm hardly going to try to argue you out of it.

Those who prevail on Idol *do* listen to the critics and improve their performances (or try to). Those who are most improved end up in the top 20 or 30, and then talent/charisma/gimmickry takes them the rest of the way.

That's not so depressing.
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FirstTimeVoterAt37 Donating Member (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 08:23 AM
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2. There might be something there on autotune as well
On top of all that, they're completely fabricated performances.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 08:40 AM
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4. Completely false. Auto-tune IS on the UK X-Factor, but NOT on AI. And "fabricated" is a BIZARRE
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 09:05 AM by WinkyDink
accusation, AI's being LIVE PERFORMANCES WEEKLY, with AUDIENCES. (What does "fabricated" even MEAN here?)

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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 04:49 PM
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23. Not false... Fabricated, like the old boy bands. You take someone with mediocre talent
and you throw them into the machine, vocal lessons, performance lessons, makeovers, the works, then you throw them onstage with a click track and a pro-tools rig and poof instant pop star. It's a joke, manufactured music.

I am a roadie. I see it all. I can tell you this for sure, at least 2 of Idol's huge successes tour with a pro-tools guy running the show. Click tracks, backing tracks, auto-tuners... it's pathetic.

The music industry is a joke, and Idol does not promote "music" it promotes "product". There are few in the business who actually love music. Most are in it for the money, including the Idol producers.



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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 08:39 AM
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3. Completely disagree with your AI analysis and its subsequent use as metaphor.
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 08:44 AM by WinkyDink
"We're #1" totally pre-dates AI. Unless you think the last 9 years have transformed our national character??
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 08:43 AM
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5. Maybe the AI metaphor doesn't work, but...
I can completely see where you're coming from. I am a grad student teaching my own class at the moment. I'll be finished soon. Anyway, my students often cannot accept poor grades, despite the fact that they clearly earn them. The common belief among my peers and professors is that students feel if they pay for the class, they should get a good grade.
It's an odd epidemic.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 08:45 AM
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6. The metaphor is wrong because it is not accurate. Yes, there are the deluded, but they are shown
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 09:19 AM by WinkyDink
only in the very beginning, FOR COMIC EFFECT, NOT AS TYPICAL OR ACCEPTABLE (Oh, horrors! A show that mocks some people! I think this must be new to television!)

The show primarily highlights those who work every week, to their best ability, to show their talent to all of America, to put themselves up for a vote. I.e., it promotes adhering to a solid work ethic, co-operating, listening to mentors, accepting judgment and criticism, and having confidence tempered by humility to achieve the American Dream.

I have NEVER seen, in 8 years of my watching, any of 192 (8 X top 24) contestants who felt they were owed anything.

P.S. And as a retired teacher, I have encountered that of which you write.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 08:49 AM
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7. All successful bands that I know of have one common denominator:
a dogged determination to 'make it' no matter what. This entails a commitment to make whatever sacrifices are necessary and a faith in eventual success despite all indicators to the contrary. This means slogging on when bar owners and talent scouts tell you "you'll never make it" over and over. This means sleeping in your car and eating ramen noodles for forever and begging for gas money to get to your next gig on the road. That hunger is an absolute requirement. It's part of the toll for stardom. Not everyone that wants it will make it, but no one will make it that doesn't want it bad enough.
American Idol is contrived karaoke garbage and has no bearing on reality whatsoever.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 09:05 AM
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10. But that just shows you have no clue regarding the past lives of many AI contestants.
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 09:17 AM by WinkyDink
Taylor Hicks played Alabama dives and Southern fairs for a decade, e.g. Adam Lambert played clubs, on cruise ships, and in a Broadway touring company for a decade, e.g. Ruben Studdard studied music in college and had his own band, e.g. ETC.
It is the MYTHOS promoted by the SHOW that AI finds someone right off the turnip truck and makes them a star. Sadly, you have fallen for it.

Plus, I'd expect someone such as yourself to know that performing with a live band (post-Season Two) is not Karaoke; it's called "singing."

What do you think of "Rock Star: INXS"? Did it matter to you that JD Fortune literally DID live in his car and sing in Nova Scotia bars, prior to this, GASP!, TV SHOW??

Your constricted notion of what is "required" to be considered a legitimate Show-biz success is a cliche' of The Starving Artist---as if those Ramen noodles wouldn't be dumped in a flash if a TV brass ring chanced by.

P.S. You've also never heard of Daughtry.
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 09:23 AM
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11. Honestly, I couldn't care less about AI or it's contestants.
It's entertainment, not reality. "Reality TV" is generally anything but. I'm not passing judgment on people's taste in entertainment - I'm not slamming you for liking the show. Given the popularity of the show, I am clearly the 'odd man out' - but that's something I'm accustomed to. I generally find the vast majority of TV unwatchable - in fact my tv never made it out of my storage unit after my last move. So if you're going to try to evangelize about the greatness and relevance of AI, I'll save you some time by conceding that I'm just a freak that 'doesn't get it' and we can move on from there. :)
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:36 AM
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16. "American Idol is contrived karaoke garbage and has no bearing on reality whatsoever."
i love this. i love it so much i almost want to make it my new sig line. in fact, you could almost edit it to "Reality TV is contrived garbage and has no bearing on reality whatsoever," and it'd still hold true.

:loveya:
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 08:54 AM
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8. And here I thought you were going to bring up the viscousness
How "we" (and I quote that because I don't watch the show but know I'm still a part of an American culture that allows it) get off on watching people we can make fun of to feel better about ourselves.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:10 AM
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12. bingo
we have so degenerated as a society that we make a show a hit that's sole purpose is to ridicule and humiliate. not to mention those who knowingly go on the show, willingly offering themselves for public ridicule and humilition, just for their "15 minutes".

it is part of the big diversion/distraction effort.

add that to a political ponzi scheme that refuses to address real issues, feeds outright lies to a dumbed down populace, so the greedy political hacks can stay in power AND continue to get rich, planet be damned. and they get away with it because we are too busy being "entertained" by crap such as AI, to bother with the real problems.

this country is a joke and we deserve everything coming to us.

the only political answer is a new party. it is pointless expecting the democratic party to step up to the plate. they have proven that they are not only unwilling to do so, but are actively contemptous of the party base that elects them, time after time.

and we are idiots for continuing to be "allowed to play", while they have no intention of returning to the basic tenets of the party. they may do a lot of "talking", but have no intention of ever "walking".

yet we continue to, obediently, open our wallets, and file into the voting booths, only because "where else can we go"?

triangulate/triage means move further to the right/center.

just exactly how much farther can we go?

and the torrent of responses will be, well, it is sure better than allowing the republicans to win.

wake up. they already have. the democratic party is republican lite, and the calorie content is increasing daily.

we, the base, need to go on a serious DIET.
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:16 AM
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14. To say that we are a viscous people...
... is it imply that we have a glutinous consistency, like syrup.

:P

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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:47 AM
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19. You know - I knew that didn't look right
But I used the damn spell check and it was early... Too late to edit so I guess my humiliation will stay up for all to see.

:blush:
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 02:47 PM
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21. Heh, I had a typo myself!
Oh well. I think the coffee was still brewing at that point.

:hi:

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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 04:17 PM
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22. Ha - never fails
I seldom point out errors any more because it is almost guaranteed that I will make an error doing so. :)

:hi:
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 09:00 AM
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9. Of course WE are the problem because we allow such
skanks, crooks, and all around corrupt individuals to stay in office. Look at the the attitude of the republicans in office. WE ARE THE ONES.
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Beartracks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:12 AM
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13. AI: Microcosm of American self-delusion.
Yeah, I see where you're coming from about AI's attitude-copping as a metaphor for American self-delusion. How many times has an AI contestant finished his or her song and received negative feedback from the judges, only to shout out to the audience, "Yeah, but what do YOU ALL think?"

And then the studio audience cheers and claps big time, and the contestant self-righteously nods and pumps a fist in the air -- in essence, giving the judges the finger.

Screw the experts on what works and what doesn't. Let's just go with mass appeal instead. It feeds our egos so much better.

And it is kinda the same with the entire conservative platform, such as it is. In this case FACTS and EXPERTS are the judges, and the GOP is the self-righteous contestant. "Yeah, I hear you, tax breaks got us into this mess, anti-equality is unconstitutional, whatever. But what do YOU ALL think?" And the American people are supposed to cheer and shout for more free money and feel-good patriotism, waving American flags. Of course, the GOP only sees and hears the studio audience, who are already their devoted fans; but that's enough to make them think that all of America is on their side.

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KillCapitalism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:17 AM
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15. If you're good, who needs American Idol?
Most new artists are being discovered on YouTube now anyway.
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johnnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:40 AM
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17. That's how I used to feel..
...watching The Gong Show.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:45 AM
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18. Yeah, but we're baddasses
Baddasses are always right



:sarcasm:
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 10:50 AM
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20. I don't get the whole fascination with America Idol or other such programs.
When people at work or other gatherings start talking about this person or that person, I have no clue what they're talking about so I feel out of it. But I don't care. I have such limited time for TeeVee that I'm very selective in what I watch - these shows just don't interest me.

"Entertain" the sheeple and distract them. Fill the commercial breaks with RW talking points, scheme to privatize social security and education all while the Koch brothers wreak havoc on our political system.


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