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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 04:00 PM
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The Right to Bear Cameras.
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 04:28 PM by grahamhgreen
States are now trying to make it a felony to videotape a police officer physically abusing citizens. http://boingboing.net/2010/08/01/man-faces-jail-for-v.html

If the founders guaranteed us the right to bear arms, surely they would have also supported the right to bear cameras.

That is all.



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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 04:05 PM
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1. another thug with a gun - RKBA poster boy - no uniform/badge/indications he is a cop so
a responsible citizen has the absolute right to blow him away in self defense
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 04:11 PM
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2. Yep. He must be nuts.
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cleanhippie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 04:40 PM
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5. Are you being serious?
Cause if so, its the most sense you have made in a long long time.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 06:12 PM
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10. How is this police officer behaving badly a "RKBA poster boy"?

While I usually disagree with your stance on issues involving guns, your post doesn't make any sense (at least not to me).
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lob1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 04:12 PM
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3. I think bearing a camera is more important to our
democracy than the right to bear arms.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 04:22 PM
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4. Absolutely.
I think this will be one of the most important battles of this century.

Either we get to videotape authorities in order to protect ourselves from them, or else they have unlimited power to subjugate people, violate people's rights, lie about it, and get away with it with impunity.

Cameras will be our only defense. Either we have this defense or we have no defense.

In many court cases the situation devolved down to the word of law enforcement against the word of the person they arrest, and the court will always believe the word of law enforcement even in the most blatant and shallow lies. The camera is the only way to prove when law enforcement lies. It is our main defense against blatant corruption.

And that is exactly why law enforcement doesn't want to allow citizens to be allowed to use cameras.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 05:37 PM
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6. Yep but it is ok to carry a gun and conceal it.
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 06:00 PM
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8. When you have to be fingerprinted and have an FBI check to carry a camera, then we'll talk. n/t
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Pholus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 08:00 PM
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14. It speaks loads that many authorities FEAR cameras but merely regulate guns.
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 05:58 PM
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7. Bear cameras?
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 08:46 PM
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16. LOL
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X_Digger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 06:08 PM
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9. Complete and utter bullshit (or it should be)..
Edited on Sun Sep-05-10 06:13 PM by X_Digger
MD, IL, MA, NY, along with DC & Miami-Dade are the top offenders, but Seattle, Boston, and LA also pop up when you research the subject.

http://carlosmiller.com/

^ Great aggregator of these kinds of incidents, btw.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 06:14 PM
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11. I can't understand how any state would allow this type of law to stand.

:shrug:
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surrealAmerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 06:30 PM
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12. It's really more about freedom of the press ...
... than anything else. These are public employees on public property we're talking about photographing. These laws are just waiting for a proper legal challenge.
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Supply Side Jesus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 07:36 PM
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13. States?
The article stated Maryland is trying to get this, not a national movement. but, whatever...
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 08:11 PM
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15. Superior Court judge Beth Dixon convicts woman for recording police.
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TransitJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 09:35 PM
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17. My line of thinking is
why won't prosecutors bring the cops up on charges for all those surveillance cameras that they have at just about every intersection?
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-10 09:41 PM
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18. You can make all the laws you want
but the fact is everyone who has a cell phone has a camera and all it takes is one person posting a video on youtube to catch a police officer breaking the law.
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