Somewhere under a rock, Karl Rove is smiling.

[Atticus]

He and his people are drawing up the plans to impeach Obama, repeal the healthcare legislation, privatize social security and shift even more of the financial burden of governance to the rest of us, the "great unwashed".

And, rather than mounting a defense to this planned onslaught, we are pissing on each other as we argue about who is an unthinking Obama lover and who is a cynical Obama hater.

I posted what I thought was an encouragement to put aside our differences in order to help hold onto our Congressional majorities last night.(http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9077074) Many viewed it quite differently.

We apparently are so intent on our self-polarization that we pursue it even as we cluck about "those who vote against their own self-interest". It seems that anything short of outright disgust and criticism of Barack Obama and the Democrats now in power MUST be characterized as "cheerleading". On the other hand, any mention of the administration's perceived flaws or shortcomings MUST be answered with accusations of "wanting Palin to be president".

I have many times managed to piss off both of the extremes here. This is not because I am some "feather in the wind" who changes his opinion to fit in with the perceived popular view. I simply think there is something to be said for both camps; those who want to support the president and the Democratic Party and those who think he has made some serious mistakes.

Is it possible for us to take a deep breath, THINK about what we are saying and posting and maybe, just maybe, acknowledge that those on this board, trolls excepted, have much more in common than that which occasionally divides us?

Can we get over ourselves long enough to at least try to preserve the progress we've made and possibly even improve things in the next two years?

Though I'm sure many have disagreed with what they've read so far, I think this has been a reasonable and respectful post in that I have not engaged in name-calling and I have not questioned anyone's motivation or integrity. But, on one issue, I find it very difficult to be restrained.

Those who casually state that there is no difference between the parties are, for me, simply beyond the pale. We can talk about how our party is not all that it could be, should be. But, to equate Democrats with Republicans is either a willful lie or ignorance of such a magnitude that I cannot conceive it being anything other than willful also.

This is Democratic Underground and we are a hell of a lot better than we've been acting lately.

So, we going to continue providing Karl with ammusement or are we going to do something to defeat him and the other reptiles he pals around with?

[RandomThoughts]

1. Karl Rove is in the sights

And inspired by another thread.

Onward Onward. Yeaaaa!!!!!!!

Troops are reporting in. Yeaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApxnAr6pRt0



Aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!


Concerning the life of Miyamoto Musashi
http://samuraiconsulting.ca/5rings/transintro/life.html
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WoodenKatanasAreEvenBetter

[katandmoon]

2. Obama and his DOJ decided to let Karl Rove and his criminal Bush WH colleagues off the hook instead

of doing to them what Rove et al plan to do to them with infinitely less cause.

So there IS no defeating Karl Rove. Whatever he has done since Dems have been in power, whatever he plans to do, has been and will have been blessed by those same Dems by holding him not one whit responsible for the damage he's already wrought. They haven't even attempt to stop him, including now, when they hold the WH and both houses of congress.

Positing that posters on a message board are any part of this process or have any influence on this process is to point fingers away from where they SHOULD be pointed. WE have no power to defeat Rove; that power rests solely in the hands of those who consistently refuse to use that power.

[Atticus]

3. Sorry, but saying that we have no power to defeat Rove et al is a convenient sidestep.

If we have no power and can't have any impact on who is elected and what they do when they're in office, why do we bother posting on DU and discussing those very subjects?

You have announced defeat before the battle is finished and now want us to assume your premise.

I decline.

[katandmoon]

4. I couldn't care less if you assume my premise. I just know that when Dems who've held the WH and

congress for almost two years now haven't even tried to use any tools available to them to ensure that the repugs who did the most damage to this country will never be free to repeat that damage, I am not really up for a call to arms.