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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 11:40 AM Original message |
NO CHILD'S BEHIND LEFT: THE TEST |
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Sapere aude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. Well I heard that teachers teach to the test. So most likely teachers would have taught what |
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Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I only had one course in school where the teacher allowed help during exams. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Teachers don't have the specifics of the test. They can only teach general skills |
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Sapere aude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 11:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I would say the answer is that Thomas formed his own sports team. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. I'll bet you're older than eight, too. nt |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Congratulations. But you're not 8, and you know that curling is a sport |
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Sapere aude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. No I am not 8 but I have taken many tests like this when I was 8 or around there. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I have no way to verify your statements, hon, so we'll just have to leave it for now |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. LOL |
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Sapere aude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. I was a foster parent of an 8yr old. After six months with my wife and I, we got a call from |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. As I said, I only have your word for it on these things |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. But working with one at home is much different |
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Sapere aude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 01:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Yes I can understand that. My point is that learning is not all done in the class room nor |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 02:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. I have spent nearly 30 years teaching low income kids |
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Sapere aude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Fine, we agree to disagree. |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 04:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Do you think it's easier to overcome cultural bias than change a test? |
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Sapere aude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Yes it is a pipe dream but we need to work on it. Like take intercity kids and expose them to |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I agree we need to work on it |
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Sapere aude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I would like to see a test that includes questions about both cultures and that kids are taught |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-18-07 08:49 AM Response to Reply #50 |
67. I am only talking about mitigating cultural bias on tests |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 09:39 PM Response to Reply #44 |
62. It isn't just cultural bias. How many eight year olds do you know that |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-18-07 07:23 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. An "expert" in testing will tell you |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-18-07 07:21 AM Response to Reply #44 |
64. When we base our opinions on a test we know is unfair, |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-18-07 08:55 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. I have said the test should be changed... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-18-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. What makes you think we haven't done that all along? |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-18-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Sorry, I can't buy that |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-18-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. You are woefully misinformed |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-18-07 11:49 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. States can run their own program now |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-18-07 11:53 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Wonder why more aren't doing just that? |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 01:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. It's a bad example |
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Art_from_Ark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 09:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
59. When I was 8, I frequently saw my mom get a "curling" |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. Nice try, but this isn't a good example. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. These are 3rd graders, not high schoolers |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Agreed. |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 01:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. I believe you misunderstood my point |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. It was good enough to get the point across, which was its only goal |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 01:08 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. The point is, the Tennis question is IMPOSSIBLE |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. look, I'm sorry for dissing your question |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. You do realize we are talking about 8 and 9 year old kids? |
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Orangepeel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 02:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. apparently, we're talking past each other |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 04:22 PM Response to Reply #19 |
51. The issue is that wealthy kids are much more likely to have contact with tennis |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 05:17 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. I had the funniest exchange with Tim Wise |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Not on a reading comprehension test. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. "...or deliberately skewing the scores to wealthier districts." |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. The teachers don't know what is on the test beforehand |
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Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. So, that's not even a "main idea" style question! |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Exactly. Imagine yourself, given the following paragraph: |
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Systematic Chaos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. At least, in this case, the final sentence is the answer. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. The vocabulary in the paragraph relies on the understanding of a specific sociolinguistic context |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 01:12 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. Not really, no. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. It's called cultural bias and it is found in every test |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Parasol? Is that on the curriculum list for 1st grade? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. No of course it wasn't in our curriculum |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. I'm surprised that "corset" and "smelling salts" weren't on the test as well |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 01:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. LOL I am bookmarking that |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Me too haha |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
30. Thats a horribly worded question. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 01:14 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. It's pretty typical |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 01:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Reminds me of those stupid chain emails, "You couldn't pass this test from 1900" |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Yes you are one of the smartest people I know |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
36. Spelling and her boss should be tried for felony child neglect for |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Is she even a teacher? |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
46. This article is 16 months old? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. The law is still the same |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I'm sure we don't agree on the law |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. It is incredibly expensive to write these tests |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Perhaps we should agree to disagree about NCLB |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 08:01 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. No the state has never run the KCSD |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 09:03 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I may be misinformed... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-18-07 06:43 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Where did you get the idea there has EVER been 20 years of "good funding"? |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-18-07 08:44 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. The discussion was on the Kansas City District |
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1monster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
60. I can tell you this: the person who wrote that test question needs to |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-17-07 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
61. It's called inferring a word meaning through context clues and word origins. |
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