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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 01:43 PM
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The Promise & Potentials of Power
“We all like telling people what to do, which is perfectly alright, except that most people do ot like being told what to do.”
--Senator J. William Fulbright on “transforming” other nations; 1966

Two weeks ago, I had mentioned buying Jonathan Alter's book “The Promise: President Obama, Year One.” I've considered doing a “review” of it for this forum, because I believe it is something that everyone would benefit from reading. Those who are strong supporters of the President, those who feel betrayed by his administration, and everyone in between, would likely find sections that support their opinions.

Alter is a good author. I find that he is far superior in communicating this way, than on television. (Cable news programs tend to favor guests who make provocative one-liners, and Alter is soft-spoken. More, his thoughts are not easily condensed into bumper stickers.) He also had access to a number of sources in positions within the administration.

In today's world, an American president tends to have less power to do “good” than “bad.” Hence, we have more impact from a George W Bush, than a Jimmy Carter. Some of the issues that I've seen disappointment expressed about by progressives and liberals are actually beyond President Obama's sphere of influence.

However, others are not. One of the areas where I have the strongest disagreements with Barack Obama involves US policy in Afghanistan. The book makes clear that the military has a different agenda in its approach to policy there, than the administration. Also, while Joe Biden is to the left of Obama, Hillary Clinton is well to the right. She has more influence than Biden – which is good if one supports her position, and not good if one favors Biden's position.

I do not agree with any of the three. I think that our increased presence – or any current military/ “private contractor” presence – makes our country less safe. The window of opportunity to make any positive changes there probably closed in the Reagan/Bush1 years. Any need to respond to 9/11 ended in W's first term.

But, on this issue, as well as numerous others, Alter makes clear that the “democratic left” has no voice in this administration. In fact, there is no one in the administration that even lends an ear to listen to the democratic left's voice from the grass roots. And that is, in my opinion, why we are witnessing the strong disagreements on this forum, between those who believe the administration is doing about as well as possible, considering the condition that Bush/Cheney left the country …. and the democratic left, that wants to be heard, and taken seriously.

I was discussing this book with an associate earlier this weekend. I expressed my concerns about the lack of respect the administration gives the democratic left. He said, “Yeah, but you don't have enough political power to elect your candidates.” I said that he needed to re-think that: in fact, the democratic left is being told by the moderate-to-conservative democrats that we need to get out the democratic left's votes this year, or else the republicans will win. Now, think about that. We might not be able to put real progressive candidates in office, but we are in a position to effect the outcome of most elections.

The democratic left isn't going to respond to bumper-sticker slogans, or be motivated by hand-wringing attempts at guilt trips. We demand respect. That includes having a voice. We will not be intimidated by the bullying that results from what Senator Fulbright called “the arrogance of power.”

Just as I recommend that people read Alter's “The Promise,” I strongly urge them to locate a copy of Senator Fulbright's 1966 book, “The Arrogance of Power.” It was a warning to another democratic president, and to Congress. And to the American public. In an era when the right-wing extremists like the followers of Glenn Beck are heard in Washington, DC, it is foolish to ignore the voice of the democratic left.

Peace,
H2O Man
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 02:12 PM
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1. We have no power except when we are all-powerful...
:-)
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 03:23 PM
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3. Kind of interesting,
as a concept, isn't it?

(I really appreciate some of your recent OPs on this forum. Thanks for the work that you do here.)
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 03:36 PM
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5. The feeling is mutual Waterman.
Your OPs are always interesting.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 02:33 PM
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2. that is a lot of reading assignments
Based on Somerby's ebullient espousal, I just bought a copy of "Stride toward Freedom" http://www.dailyhowler.com/
and two others, so I will probably be reading them first.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 03:24 PM
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4. Two books.
That's a Saturday and Sunday. It's worth fitting in before election-time!
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Beringia Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 03:59 PM
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6. Thanks for putting the left in perspective

It helps to make sense of how to approach making change.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 04:11 PM
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7. Thanks.
Edited on Mon Sep-06-10 04:12 PM by H2O Man
I find some of the comments by our more moderatew-to-conservative members rather curious. While I do not think that I'm unique among the democratic left, I am more than happy to compare the amount of organizing and getting out the vote with anyone on this forum. I will continue to vote for democratic candidates, but -- as I've stated before -- there is no way that I could go to some of my friends and associates, or into some of the neighborhoods that I did in '08, and expect a positive response.

I view it in the context of "Who owns the problem?" I believe it is those politicians who have ignored the democratic left, since they last needed our support.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 10:30 PM
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17. This statement:
"I've stated before -- there is no way that I could go to some of my friends and associates, or into some of the neighborhoods that I did in '08, and expect a positive response."

is where I'm having problems as well. It sums up quite a predicament and also a failue to see by some elected Democrats. I, as someone from the left feel I bear no responsibility for it either. And furthermore, if they feel the need to go further to the right in their misread of reality, then they will bear the results. Trying to convince people to vote again for Democrats because the alternative is worse is a hard sell to the general public as it is to us. But what's worse, they will not feel the need as we do.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 04:27 PM
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8. Good article.
:kick:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 05:38 PM
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9. What's Curious
Is that I've heard the president say, or quoted as saying, he's the president of all the people. That's why he looks for bi-partisanship and has extended a long hand to the Cons. Yet his admin continues to show disdain for the left of his very own party. I'd like to know why.

I also wonder if the catfood commission dismantles SS and he supports that, if that will be the tipping point and could it lead to a formation of a 3rd party?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 06:00 PM
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10. Valid points,
and a good question.

At risk of sounding like a broken record, I'll again state my opinion: a serious third party that represents the interests of those on the left is probably not an option at present. It may be real in the future. But, at this time, I think we need to focus on building the democratic party's left.

That includes strengthening ties with our friends to the left of our party, as well as those who are simply tired of being betrayed by politicians at the top of the county, state, and national levels. It means a serious program that includes voter education & registration. There are far too many unregistered citizens, including young folks, the poor, etc. If they see the possibility of putting one of their own in local office, it reinforces the idea that they can make a difference at the next level. Then, the next.

I do not believe that this means every individual must vote in every election -- even though I do. Maybe it's the force of habit on my part. But I recognize the wisdom of what Malcolm X taught, when he became active in "voter education and registration" efforts in '64: if we listen to his wonderful speech, "The Ballot or the Bullet," he tells us only to pull that lever when it counts.

At the same time, I am not foolish enough to think that my friends and associates who are not democrats are likely to listen to me, if I do not also listen to them. I respect this site enough to willingly follow the rules, and don't discuss non-democratic candidates here. But I surely do in conversation with my non-democratic friends. That doesn't imply I vote for other candidates, nor that I do not. It just means that I believe in keeping an open mind.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-10 07:30 PM
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11. Thoughtful
Thanks
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 08:33 AM
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12. I saw a report
on CNN yesterday, about the "need" for more military forces in Afghanistan. It will be interesting to see if the military gets President Obama to agree to this.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 09:24 AM
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14. Well They Can Read The Poll Numbers As Well As You & I
The air is out of the balloon. They might choose their own survival over that of the military.
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clarence swinney Donating Member (673 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 08:41 AM
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13. SAVE AMERICA
DEMOCRATS ATTACK AGENDA

From 1980 to 2009
20 years 3 conservative Presidents
18 years conservative Senate
12 years conservative House
6 years TOTAL CONTROL=HELL

WHAT DID AMERICA GET IN THOSE 20 YEARS

600B to 3600
1000B to 10,000
237,000 to 99,000
1 to 9
0 to 2
Poe to Hoe
B to W
H & F

Any fool can memorize and use this short (8)list of disasters
only a loser will refuse to yell this information to the people

What do they mean?

Spending
debt
jobs
international conflicts
wars
peace to hell
best to worst
ideology to deja vu ideology

1980-2009
Spending—600B to 3600B Teapartiers are you listening?
Debt-1000B to 10,000B Deficit Hawks are you listening
237,000 Net New Jobs down to 99,000
1 convicted felon to 137 investigated/charged
2 major illegal horrid wars
Peace on Earth to Hell on Earth
Best rated World rated President to Worst
Houing Tsunnami & Financial Volcano

Ladies and Gentlemen How can a populace elect that record to rule our nation????

It is simple. The Rich Man's party owns Wall Street $$$$$—Media--Vote Count Machines

A Simpleton and a Fool if one votes for a Republican to Congress if :
Social Security Recipient
Medicare Recipient
Medicaid Recipient
Food Stamp Recipient
Child Care Recipient
Disability Recipient
Veteran Pension Recipient
Veteran Health Care Recipient
College Loan Recipient
Home Foreclosed
Member of Military
Minority
Minister
Christian
Muslim

This list is endless—Republican was known for decades as The Country Club Party now known as Wall Street Of America Party—owned by $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

SOUND THE HORNS TELL THE PEOPLE

Awaken The Evil Ones are coming after you
They (14M) own 93% of Total Financial Wealth and will steal-lie-cheat-rob-kill to get the remaining 7% from you (127M)

clarence swinney
political historian since 1991 on Reagan-Clinton-Bush administrations
author-Lifeaholic—story of Workaholic failure to Lifeaholic success
Available for Lecture-Hootenanny in nc-va-sc-tenn
olduglymeanhonest
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 10:07 PM
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15. I haven't seen
anyone on DU suggesting that people should vote for republicans. (There was a curious bit of support for "ex" republican Charlie Crisp recently, which I think every liberal/progressive member of this forum found obscene.)
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-10 10:13 PM
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16. peace H2O Man
Edited on Tue Sep-07-10 10:14 PM by spanone
recommended

edit: Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours
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