"Not a single Democrat has run an ad in support of the health care bill since April,"

[leeroysphitz]

Because the HCR bill is SHIT. It bails out the greedy scumbag insurance companies instead of real people and it hurts working Americans.

This is why we are going to lose in November.

Next time (if there ever is a next time)the democrats should try acting like fucking democrats and maybe they can stay in power for more than an election cycle or two...

[Lost4words]

1. HCR is an embarrassment, IMO

[dennis4868]

3. yes, really embarrasing...

my child finally can get health insurance (she has a preexisting condition) thanks to HCR.....It's a real embarrasment that my daughter has health care....WTF! So many of you are really making me fucking mad knocking everything Obama does....the HCR legislation may not be perfect but it does a hell of alot for people who have NOTHING! SO FUCK YOU ALL WHO SAY IT'S EMBARRASING.

[Lost4words]

5. you will see soon enough

have your tantrum around someone who cares

[BeFree]

9. Ok

Basically you repeat the claims of the teabaggers and other shit heads and the other poster claims the real world benefits of the HCR, and you spew some crap about a tantrum?

If there were a vote, I'd vote you off the island. Easy choice.

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[BeFree]

19. I don't watch it

But is a good line to use here, eh?

Sure got a rise out of you.

[still_one]

7. HCR reform as it stands is NOT that great, however, it also isn't going to be the reason if

Democrats win or lose

Democrats will do well if THEY control the talking points, and expose the repuke party platform for what it is

To destroy social security and medicare, to get rid of ALL regulation, which led us to the financial meltdown, to not help American car companies, and thus help save some jobs. I could go on, but I want to see the Democrats go on the offensive for a change

Incidently, I am glad you child is helped by it, and that is good, but a lot of people, who aren't children with pre-existing conditions will NOT be helped until they are without insurance for 6 months, or until the full affects take place much later

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/27/preexisting-condition-ins_n_696061.html

I am also more than tired of the doom and gloomers who along with the pollsters, and pundits have already determined OUR election for us

[dflprincess]

46. HCR as it stands is not HCR - it was a handout to the insurance companies

nothing in the bill guarantess accss to health care only mandated "coverage". As time goes on we will all be paying more and more and for insurance that covers less and less. It's the status quo on steroids.

[niceypoo]

11. It is awesome, if you are an insurance company

The insurers are gouging everybody since the bill passed. The bill doesn't even kick in for another four years.

[dennis4868]

12. So which right wing...

radio personality did you get your talking points from? The ban on prexisting conditions for children kicks in right away.....go back listening to Rush and watching FOX News....have fun!

[area51]

28. You're kidding, right?

What the poster is referring to is that there aren't any cost controls in the legislation. Sure, some pre-existing conditions are covered, and "older" workers will get covered, but at exorbitant rates. And they can't do "rescission", but now they can cancel your insurance for "fraud". That's part of what people are mad about.

Each day, 273 people die due to lack of health care in the U.S.; that's 100,000 deaths per year.

We need single-payer health care, not a welfare bailout for the serial-killer insurance agencies.

We don't need the GingrichCare of mandated, unregulated, for-profit insurance that is still too expensive, only pays parts of medical bills, denies claims, and bankrupts people. Republinazi '93 plan:

"Subtitle F: Universal Coverage - Requires each citizen or lawful permanent resident to be covered under a qualified health plan or equivalent health care program by January 1, 2005."

"We will never have real reform until people's health stops being treated as a financial opportunity for corporations."

[LostinVA]

41. Niceypoo and the other posters are right

And, you aren't allowed to call other posters Freepers.

[Bluenorthwest]

13. Why 'can get'? Why not 'now has'?

When will she be able to actually have insurance, and how much will it cost? Yours is the second 'pre existing conditions' post I have seen that speaks strongly but clearly still does not have that insurance.
It is nice that your daughter 'got hers'. Or that she 'can get' hers, at some future point, for some amount of money.
It would also be nice if you were able to feel for those of us whose families are not helped by the reform at all. If you expect that others should feel joy for your family, I expect that empathy to be a two way street.

[dennis4868]

15. She does now have coverage thanks to HCR....

and do you really think Obama was going to be able to please everyone right away with HCR with the repubs being no help and the Blue Dogs fighting him every step of the way....Obama is forced to take baby steps with regard to HCR.......you people are not part of reality......

[Lost4words]

17. and you are part of a compensated contingent

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. The "I got mine, right now, so there" crowd. Too bad about the rest of us, eh?

x(

[Bluenorthwest]

18. 'You people"?

Which people are those? Such empathy you have there. So you got yours, and fuck 'you people'. Yet you expect us to celebrate your gain? While you sneer at our lack of equality? Whatever.
Tell us how much your daughter's plan costs, what are the deductibles, co-pays, etc. Millions qualify for this plan, very few can afford the premiums. How much are you paying, for your daughter?
It is, of course, common for those who can afford to say 'fuck you' to those who simply want a fair deal. And that is what you do.
It is good that your family is now seen to. Whatever the cost may be. My family should have equal standing and equal health care. If you can not see that, or care about that, well, it is what it is, dear.
"You people."
How much do you pay? Give us details. You are the first I have spoken to who claims to have this insurance. How does it work? How much is it?
How much?

[jberryhill]

23. "You are the first I have spoken to who claims to have this insurance."

Same here. I'd like to hear more about this insurance he bought.

[Bluenorthwest]

36. Others on DU claim they 'can get it' but they also can not

say what they have and how much it costs them.

[LostinVA]

42. Enthusiastic capitulation isn't attempted compromise n/t

[Lost4words]

16. hold on, your rates are going to skyrocket!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4530628

[Dr.Phool]

20. Did you see this in today's St. Pete Times?

http://www.tampabay.com/news/health/pre-existing-health-condition-insurance-premium-too-expensive-for-many/1119922


ST. PETERSBURG — Clyde Holladay says he was excited about a new government insurance plan for people with pre-existing health conditions, one of the first programs of the federal health overhaul package.

That is, until he found out what his monthly premium would be: $773.

"Almost gave me another heart attack," Holladay joked.

But he's not kidding when he says $773 a month isn't affordable for a 61-year-old man with heart problems, who makes less than $30,000 a year as the proprietor of Pedro's, a small downtown St. Petersburg barbershop.

Holladay isn't alone. While the pre-existing condition insurance plan does offer coverage that often is not available at any price, many Americans are quickly finding out the monthly premiums are out of their reach. Of the estimated 4 million Americans eligible for the program, only about 2,000 had applied as of Aug. 1 in the 23 states, including Florida, that opted to have the federal government run their plans.

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Look over the guy's meager budget in the article. I don't live far from him. In a 1500 sq ft house, my utility and homeowners insurance costs are quadruple what his are.

That's the only reason my wife is still working, because we'd NEVER be able to afford health insurance without her job.


Hey, they made Lamborghini's available to the general public! I can get one!

And even if they slashed the price 80%, I still couldn't get one.

[jberryhill]

22. That's my neighbor's situation

I don't know her politics, but she heard about HCR and got the same runaround.

I'm sort of embarrassed by it.

[OnyxCollie]

24. My girlfriend was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2004.

Her health insurance premiums are $650 a month (more than her mortgage) and she has a $2,500 deductible. (She usually runs up $1,500 a year in medical expenses.)

That's $9,000 a year for the privilege of being "covered". The insurance company, Golden Rule, doesn't even spend a dime.

Fortunately, she just started a new job with benefits, and while it pays a lot less, she doesn't have to pay 20% of her gross income to an insurance company.

[leeroysphitz]

29. "she doesn't have to pay 20% of her gross income to an insurance company" Not yet anyhow...

[jberryhill]

21. How much are you paying for that?

I have a neighbor in the same boat, and she is telling me that the premium is out of this world.

I'm curious, because Maryland is right next door to Delaware, but she cannot find insurance that wouldn't consume more than her income minus her mortgage and utilities.

Is there a particular company or provider she should be looking at?

[bvar22]

33. Great!...Good for you!

One of the lucky ones who can afford to buy Health Insurance.
I know people who have been bankrupted paying for Health Care for their children with Pre-existing conditions. They STILL can't afford the Premiums under HCR,
but good for you.

The Pre-existing exclusion should have NEVER existed.
It could have (and should have) been discontinued with a single, clean bill making that practice illegal. The American People did NOT have to eat the entire Shit Sandwich to get the handful of regulations that you are praising. Just because they let a crumb fall off the table that helped you personally, that does NOT justify enthroning the For Profit Health Insurance Industry as the Gateway to Health Care in America.

To fully appreciate how BAD HCR is, simply compare it to what is taken For Granted in every single other civilized in The WORLD.

[Hello_Kitty]

35. THEN GET OFF THE COMPUTER AND GO KNOCK ON FUCKING DOORS

YOU think HCR is a great thing so YOU need to go sell it to the people in your community. I am sick and fucking tired of you condescending keyboard warriors with your guilt trips and your shit-tastic talking points. Get your lazy butt out there and persuade voters in your district to like HCR because your kid can get health insurance now (which is a truly good aspect of the plan).

[jberryhill]

38. So are you going to tell us where you got it and how much it costs?

Seriously, that would be really useful information.

[dflprincess]

47. And I truly hope you will be able to afford a policy that actually

gives her access to care and not one with deductibles that are so high you still have to think twice before she sees a doctor.

[sendero]

48. Yes ..

.. when is that? In 2014? Come on tell the truth.

[eridani]

50. Your daughter is part of a tiny minority that is getting helped

That's why the bill is a political disaster. It has not had any impact on most peoples' lives, and insurance companies have upped their fucking over of the public to new high levels.

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[Lost4words]

6. this is my board little one, if anyone goes you do

isnt Glee on?

[still_one]

4. Bull. The Democrats have to run ads saying repukes are going to destroy Social Security and

Medicare. They need to run ads that inform the people that republicans were against regulation which is what led us to the financial crisis we are now in. The repuke platform has been attacking labor since reagan, whose objective is to breakup the unions. They were against helping the American car companies, even though they knew that even MORE jobs would be lost because of it. They were against extending unemployment benefits, or giving tax breaks to small businesses

This is what the Democrats need to talk about now

If the Democrats lose it won't be because of HCR. Polls indicate the number one issue is the economy. The reason the Democrats are having problems is they are not going on the attack. They let the repukes control the talking points

It is way past overdue that the Democrats control the talking points, everyday until the election

[wiggs]

39. Exactly right. Dems have plenty to run on and run against. nt

[sharp_stick]

8. I saw one for Richard Blumenthal yesterday

making HCR a priority.

But what the hell, continue if it makes you feel better.

[Freddie Stubbs]

37. Richard Blumenthal didn't vote for it

He's not in the Senate yet.

Sure, everyone is for making 'health care reform' a priority, but the devil is in the details. Did his ad say that he would have voted for the bill which the President signed if Blumenthal had been in the Senate?

[Upton]

10. HCR was a mistake..

not only did we end up with a shitty bill, but it immediately polarized the opposition. Obama should have hit the ground running, working on improving the economy exclusively. Everything else should have been put on the back burner.. Now, it appears to be too late.

[Javaman]

25. It was doomed from the start when it was promoted as "health care reform" instead of...

Health insurance reform.

Sadly, it don't reform that very well either.

But then again, everything hasn't kicked in yet, so I can't be completely definitive just yet.

But what scares me is when a repuke gets back in, whatever good that is in it, that has yet to kick in, will be dismantled before it goes into effect. This is why I was always suspicious of the 2014 start regarding a number of its tenants.

[Uncle Joe]

26. I wish it were a mistake but I view it as deliberate.

It's part of that Corporatist Party Chess game to either keep the Republicans in power or at least allow them to be strong enough to be a credible fig leaf for the Democratic Corporatist Wing.

[Orsino]

27. No, that's not why Dems aren't running on HCR.

It's because the wingers were so successful in branding it as socialism.

If it were just a matter of efficacy, Democrats would be bragging about the modest gains amid all the corporate giveaways.

[eridani]

51. If there were large and visible benefits to HCR, Dems could run on it

Jeeez, we knew the Repukes would lie, so why not front load the bill so that large numbers of people have personal experience that tells them different?

[bvar22]

31. Think its bad NOW?

Wait until the MANDATES kick in, and 40 Million Americans are FORCED to BUY Insurance they can't use.
The Democrats won't be electable for a generation.

[Fumesucker]

32. +1

[jberryhill]

43. Either that or the system breaks and demand for a better solution arises

If this was the best HCR bill that could be had, a part of me wonders if the idea was "let's go ahead and break this thing".

[dflprincess]

49. If the intent had been to break it,

they could have just dropped this bill; the present system would have collapsed faster. By passing this scam they've bought the same old crooks several more years. It's not until 2014 that just how bad this bill is will become clear and it will take years after that before any real change gets done.

And Obama said he wanted to be the "last president" to deal with healthcare. All he did was shove the problem off to some far away date in the future.

[leeroysphitz]

44. +3950

[Blue_Tires]

34. there needed to be ironclad price controls from the start

or just a single-payer system...

[Autumn]

40. I wonder why? They did such a good job

for the insurance companies. Now I worry, and that would break my heart, that the insurance companies might forget the Democrats exist when it comes to donating money to them.



:sarcasm:

[blindpig]

45. It's like a fuckin' rap sheet.

Would you put your rap sheet in a resume?