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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 04:22 AM
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What US Left Behind in Iraq is Even Uglier Than You Think



What US Left Behind in Iraq is Even Uglier Than You Think
by Nir Rosen
Published on Wednesday, September 8, 2010 by Foreign Policy

Hundreds of cars waiting in the heat to slowly pass through one of the dozens of checkpoints and searches they must endure every day. The constant roar of generators. The smell of fuel, of sewage, of kabobs. Automatic weapons pointed at your head out of military vehicles, out of SUVs with tinted windows. Mountains of garbage. Rumors of the latest assassination or explosion. Welcome to the new Iraq, same as the old Iraq -- even if Barack Obama has declared George W. Bush's Operation Iraqi Freedom over and announced the beginning of his own Operation New Dawn, and Iraq's Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has declared Iraq sovereign and independent.

Iraq has had several declarations of sovereignty since the first one in June 2004. As with earlier milestones, it's not clear what exactly this one means. Since the Americans have declared the end of combat operations, U.S. Stryker and MRAP vehicles can be seen conducting patrols without Iraqi escorts in parts of the country and the Americans continue to conduct unilateral military operations in Mosul and elsewhere, even if under the guise of "force protection" or "countering improvised explosive devices." American military officers in Iraq told me they were irate with the politically driven announcement from the White House that combat troops had withdrawn. Those remaining still consider themselves combat troops, and commanders say there is little change in their rules of engagement -- they will still respond to threats pre-emptively.


Iraq is still being held back from full independence -- and not merely by the presence of 50,000 U.S. soldiers. The Status of Forces Agreement, which stipulates that U.S. forces will be totally out by 2011, deprives Iraq of full sovereignty. The U.N.'s Chapter 7 sanctions force Iraq to pay 5 percent of its oil revenues in reparations, mostly to the Kuwaitis, denying Iraqis full sovereignty and isolating them from the international financial community. Saudi and Iranian interference, both political and financial, has also limited Iraq's scope for democracy and sovereignty. Throughout the occupation, major decisions concerning the shape of Iraq have been made by the Americans with no input or say by the Iraqis: the economic system, the political regime, the army and its loyalties, the control over airspace, and the formation of all kinds of militias and tribal military groups. The effects will linger for decades, regardless of any future milestones the United States might want to announce.

The Americans, meanwhile, worry about losing their leverage at a time when concerns still run high about a renewed insurgency, Shiite militias, and the explosion of the Arab-Kurdish powder keg everybody's been talking about for the last seven years. Many in the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad wonder what Obama's vision for Iraq is. By the summer of 2006, Bush woke up every day and wanted to know what was happening in Iraq. Obama is much more detached.

American diplomats also worry that they will soon lose their ability to understand and influence the country. In addition to Baghdad, there will soon be only four other posts. Much of the south will be without any U.S. presence: There will be no Americans between Basra and Baghdad, no Americans in Anbar or Salahuddin provinces. Some in the embassy fear they are abandoning the "Shiite heartland." The diplomats still in the country will have less mobility and access, even if they are nominally taking the lead over the military, because it will be harder to find military escorts when they want to travel. "You can't commute to a relationship," I was told.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 04:23 AM
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1. k&r
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 04:24 AM
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2. So, if Shi'ite militias are bad, WTF was the point of destroying a government
--that held them in check?
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 05:34 AM
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4. The Shiite militias are what they are BECAUSE OF US
When we urged them to rise up in revolt with promises of Gulf Alliance backing. They did so.. .And we turned around and let Saddam slaughter them. I don't mean that we just stood around with our fingers up our nose, oblivious. Saddam's negotiators specifically asked to be able to use their tanks and planes and guns in south iraq, and we said "sure, go ahead." We knew what they were doing.

Basically we - us, the United States and great Britain - killed tens of thousands of Shia Iraqis. And hten empowered a government that was hellbent on strangling them. After funding that government in its devastating war against the Shia of Iran.

And then we worked to exclude them from power in post-Saddam Iraq.

Bright.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 05:22 AM
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3. We pulled the pin on that grenade eight years ago
Now we're just holding it.

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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 05:44 AM
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5. The man in the photo looks brokenhearted
What horrors have 'we' wrought? Iraqis must despise the United States.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 06:14 AM
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6. He's obviously upset that an American preacher is burning the Koran
:sarcasm:
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 06:33 PM
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19. and then there are pics like this...


see the kid in the green shirt? What is he going to do when he grows up? He won't be playing baseball and eating apple pie, that is for sure.

note: I have no idea how john murphy is. I did a google search for "iraqi father and son" looking for this specific pic. This was the first place I found it.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 10:25 AM
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7. As I have said before, Iraq will become the corporate state for cheap labor...
Edited on Thu Sep-09-10 10:32 AM by Javaman
They will own the nation lock stock and barrel. They will turn the people into their factory slaves and make it into one gigantic low wage sweat shop.

All things manufactured in China will slowly be moved to Iraq.

China walks on the tight rope of economic success.

but when you get down to it, if you were a corporation, what would you rather deal with? A nation that actually has laws? or instead, rule a nation by fiat and call the shots?

we pull out our troops (even though there are 50K "advisers" left) and replace them with corporate mercs. There are anywhere between 75K and 90K corp mercs there now. That number will only increase as out of work Iraq war vets find it hard to find employment in our current economic situation.

Back they will go, with a different uniform and a fatter paycheck.

As I have said it in the past, not only are we creating our own little American Empire East, but we are also creating our own little Praetorian Guard.

Some day soon, something will go down over there that the US doesn't like or a corporation doesn't care for that is in direct conflict with US policy. The result won't be pleasant.

as erik prince, formally of blackwater then of xe (or what ever the hell it was called), starting expanding his own little merc operation with a mini airforce, I suspect the other corp mercs outfits will be doing the same if they already haven't do so already.

corporate ownership of a nation is coming. While it will appear on paper that there is a "civilian government", that will be the farthest thing from reality.

Think a much bigger expanded version of United Fruit in Guatemala or Dole in Hawaii.

They tried it but ultimately failed because both had to have the backing of the US. These new mega multinational corps, don't give a whit about us. They have the bucks and the budget to do it on their own.

The US Army went in and did the dirty work, now they reap the reward at the expense of the American public.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 10:28 AM
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8. as expected
no surprise
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 10:28 AM
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9. That's metaphysically absurd
How could Nir Rosen know what I think?

:crazy:
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-10 08:53 PM
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10. All of this is
heart-wrenching sad.From the deaths to the destruction to the lies that got us in there to the obscene lack of concern for human life to the enormous amount of wasted resources. All of it. I could puke.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 09:11 AM
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11. Every American alive today
will be paying for this immoral disaster for the rest of our lives. The Bush cartel looted the treasury under the fog of war and left in its wake mountains of debt, bodies and other victims too numerous to list.
The troops in Iraq still get combat pay, and thus are considered combat troops no matter how they try to sell the end of combat operations. "The end of combat operations." Where did we hear that before?
As Emily Litella would say, "Never mind."
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 01:04 PM
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12. The Oiligarchy does not
like people around oil in the ground. They might think they should have a piece of the pie.Heard Mary Landrieu complaining about Louisiana not getting their fair share of off shore oil.That was before the oil spill.
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USArmyParatrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 06:44 PM
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20. "The troops in Iraq still get combat pay"
As do the troops in Kuwait, but they walk around the FOBs wearing a PT belt because the biggest threat is getting hit by a car.

Unfortunately most people misconstrue what the end of "combat operations" actually means. It doesn't mean troops will never be fired upon, nor does it mean they won't fire back. It doesn't mean they won't assist and observe the Iraqis as they conduct their missions.

The editorial claims US troops "can be seen" conducting patrols with no accompanying Iraqi forces. While I can't validate or invalidate his claims I can speak about my own experience from last year. In the middle of our deployment the status of forces agreement dramatically changed and we were very strict about adhering to it. So strict that at times full bird Colonels and even Generals would get stuck on the JSS from time to time - because the weather was red (no flights) and we couldn't scrape together enough Iraqi troops for a convoy.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 01:09 PM
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13. I still believe that the Kurds will get in the way....
It has implications for Turkey, Iraq and Iran.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 01:33 PM
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14. today`s blog entry from----'A Family in Baghdad'
first blog entry in many months and a must read for those who still are concerned about the war ans it`s aftermath. over the years many bloggers have disappeared and many left for other middle east countries and the usa.

i used google translate for this website.


http://afamilyinbaghdad.blogspot.com/


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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-10 10:10 PM
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15. K&R -- wow -- back later --
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 01:59 AM
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16. The scene of the crime ~
And the criminals are still free. It is heart-breaking. I had a friend in Iraq and was able to correspond with him through email until around 2005 and then I lost contact with him. He had two sons and while I didn't ask him about the occupation in case he might get into trouble and don't know what he felt about it, I did ask him about living under Saddam Hussein. He said so long as you didn't get involved in political discussions, publicly, you were left alone and could have a fairly decent life. Mostly he worried about his two sons who he said, wanted to be doctors, being drafted into Saddam's army.

He was a wonderful, kind and thoughtful person, very proud of his country's culture and history. He emailed one day and said he was leaving on a business trip. The war was raging at that time, so I wished him a safe trip. He told me that houses near where he lived had been blown up so there was nowhere that was safe, not even home. He didn't say and I didn't ask, who was responsible. He did say that some of the U.S. troops were nice and that he felt bad for them.

Then I stopped hearing from him and I do not know if he is dead or alive. He said one day in the future he would look forward to inviting me to his country when there was peace. I often think of him and hope he got out with his family and is safe somewhere.

Iraq was safer and better under Saddam Hussein for the Iraqi people. All the promises of a glorious new democracy. Not that we believed them ... :cry:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 02:01 AM
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17. ==
thanks for that
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-11-10 06:29 PM
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18. too late to rec...
but here is a kick
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