In the 60's and early 70's our protesting help end the Viet Nam war.

[DainBramaged]

we protested Booshe and his illegal wars, but it wasn't enough. And we haven't done jack Shit about protesting ANYTHING during the two years of Barack Obama as President, for him or against his policies. Or against the people we elected who ae stabbing us in the back.

We haven't protested the Party of NO and their bullshit obstructionism, yet we complain that Obama hasn't done enough. What, they are innocent? DU, what have we been focused on?


We let Wall Street and the banks fuck us over, and all we did was open our wallets.

The MSM is AGAINST US, and we let the get away with it.


Come November, when we collectively wring our hands and point fingers, we'll realize that we are apathetic.


And I don't think it will change in 2012.


You can unrec this thread, try to lock it, be abusive, it won't change the fact that OTHER than some loons on the Right who had enough and decided for right or wrong they wanted to be heard and became the media's darlings, we ON THE Left are invisible.


It should not have come to this. But it has.

Someone else asked the question tonight, what will you be thinking when the last tree is cut down? And why did it get to the last tree? The people on BOTH sides of the fence who need to think about the consequences of the destructive corporation policies and in Washington as well, in the end, don't give a rat's ass about us. And we are letting them off scott free.

I'm going to go play Bioshock. At least it is fun. This isn't.

[RKP5637]

1. Recommend! n/t

[Puregonzo1188]

2. Same and yet it still stands at zero.

[RKP5637]

3. I guess Americans are just very happy with everything the way it is now. n/t

[Drale]

4. Now I wasnt born yet

but I think one of the differences that now there is no draft although I could be wrong.

[RKP5637]

5. Having lived then I think that was really one of the catalysts. It was sort of

a common bond. Today, I don't think there's pressure like that. There is unemployment and all, but the draft was a pretty serious motivator. If we had the draft today and these endless wars going on I think a lot of people would be hitting the streets protesting lots of things.

[G_j]

6. K&R

:-(

[Luciferous]

7. K&R

[Dystopian]

8. KandR.

peace~

[Golden Raisin]

9. Totally different era.

There was still something of a middle class that was not desperately struggling to survive economically, living day-to-day or paycheck-to-paycheck. Hell, a family could survive then with only one parent working outside the home. College educations did not bankrupt students and their parents. There was the Draft. Both parties had not shifted so dangerously far to the right and there was a higher percentage of pols who hadn't completely sold out to corporate interests. There were no televised rightwing propaganda machines passed off as "news" being blasted 24/7 and supported by deep pockets. By the time today's citizens finally hit the streets it will be too late. And then they'll be tased or rounded up by Blackwater/Xe storm-troopers.

[RKP5637]

14. Exactly! The tools exist today to suppress the population to full

compliance. It will be far too late by the time the masses finally wake up. "And then they'll be tased or rounded up by Blackwater/Xe storm-troopers." It will become a police state to maintain the citizenry to whatever the status quo might be, insane or sane. We've seen many examples of this in history, and history repeats.

[Radical Activist]

10. I've been to several anti-war protests since Obama took office.

Don't project your behaviors onto others. Protesting is fine but it takes a lot more to win against powerful interests. It isn't real organizing work.

[RandomThoughts]

11. Life is not always fun.

I haven't been out for a beer in months.

Think about that for awhile.




If you feel invisible, get rid of that which blocks you.


People are untruthful, and call it just politics.

People are greedy or do things that cause harm, and say it is just business.


So if things have to change, pick a method and just tell them it is just .....



They really can't argue against you by the rules they apply to themselves.

I will listen to music, and know I got beer and travel money coming to correct injustices.

[DainBramaged]

15. Of course it isn't, but protesting is way more fun than beer

or is it beer is way more fun than protesting?

[tavalon]

12. You've just explained what we really need to do

We need to take down the media. The whole thing. And I don't have answers to that except to ask that the av geeks get together off line, come find the necessary help online and then once again, take it offline. Not only the "revolution" but the media. I'm not AV but I'm here to help. It might be time to bring in PGP.

[whathehell]

13. Of course...Which, in my opinion, is the reason we don't have a draft.

They learned their lesson in Vietnam.

If middle class kids were being drafted in droves, as they were in that era, the war would likely be over now...At very least, soldiers would be doing ONE tour, not the three and four they're doing now...I think it's disgraceful.