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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:22 PM Original message |
Just ran out for a cigar, interesting conversation with owner of the store |
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chrisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. You're right. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
2. They didn't raise taxes on people, they raised it on a product. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. +1...nt |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. They raised it on a politically expedient target. n/t |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
30. That is correct, but they are drug addicts |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 06:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
101. Exactly. I'm calling BS on this one. |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 11:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
133. It appears they are NOT buying said product |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
3. So childrens health isn't worth paying more for tobaco. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Tax the rich, not the poor. nt |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. They aren't taxing "the poor." |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. A higher percentage of poor people are regular smokers than rich people. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
74. If cigarettes are their deciding issue when it's time to vote |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 04:23 PM Response to Reply #74 |
84. They still vote n/t |
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Cosmocat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 06:56 AM Response to Reply #84 |
138. No, they don't ... |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 09:42 AM Response to Reply #138 |
139. This is true. |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #74 |
103. Excellent point. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #74 |
119. How do you win elections without voters? nt |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. The rich smoke cigars (El Rushbo loves them) so it hits everyone equally. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Everybody is not hit equally. Rush makes more money than poor people. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Well, then poor smokers should consider if their pleasure or children's health is more important. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Why not tax the wealthiest Americans? nt |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
52. I am all for increasing the tax on the wealthiest Americans. |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 03:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
78. Let's do that too. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
45. Cigar smokers don't generally smoke around children. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #45 |
58. So you would rather have a cheap pleasure when children go without health care? |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. Not all cigar smokers are rich |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
46. no, it doesn't. & rushbo orders from cuba. |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
105. How is that possible? Isn't that illegal? |
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revolution breeze (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 07:20 PM Response to Reply #46 |
112. Not from Cuba |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #112 |
129. And then I went to London last September with the same friend who had the pre-Castro Montecristos.'' |
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revolution breeze (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 06:51 AM Response to Reply #129 |
137. Wow, I guess Finck can take down the sign in their shop |
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ejpoeta (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
70. you are actually going to say it hits them equally. rush makes millions of dollars. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
59. It is a major mistake to use sin taxes for things like childrens health care |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 04:56 PM Response to Reply #3 |
91. I vote we Kill Nuns and baby Ducks with a shredder to protect the children!!! |
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Kalyke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 06:46 PM Response to Reply #3 |
107. And if children's health is so important, then why not tax something |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 07:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
113. It's a regressive tax that places undue hardship on poorer smokers. Let the rich pay for |
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bighart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 01:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
145. So how about we tax a product you buy all the time to pay for it? |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
4. I hope it puts him and every smoke shop owner in America out of business then. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. "I have no sympathy for drug pushers of any stripe" |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. yup. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. He is just jealous. nt |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #4 |
33. This native American wishes you knew more about tobacco. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Do you not drink water with meals? |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:01 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Fish pee in water! Haven't you heard? LOL! n/t |
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RandiFan1290 (721 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Water? |
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panader0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
43. What's your vice? |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Recreational sex. |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #51 |
68. Sportfucking? Ever worry about crabs, gonorrhea, syphilis, AIDS, unwanted pregnancy? |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Thank you. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
60. But think of this children and their need for health care |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Oh, my end here is the end of tobacco usage by a substantial population portion. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. I have no use for it either, but using sin taxes from it to fund critical programs like health care |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #4 |
86. Please |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. Ignores a very key fact... |
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robdogbucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 06:20 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Oh Really? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
6. "I had a smoke while I talked to him" - - You are worse than Hitler! |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. It is a tax on an item, not on the poor, |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. Way more poor people are regular smokers than rich people. |
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earthside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Democrats never learn. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:06 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Earthside you are 1,000 % correct! |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
82. +1000. Me too! K&R. I wish I could rec a single post |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
8. "but they are now paying taxes way higher than they ever did before." - Really? |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. Federal sin tax. |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. Really NOT. It's a total lie. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Oh please. We are talking about a specific tax increase on a specifiic product. |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
62. The majority of smokers are lower wage earners, blue collar etc |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:48 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. True. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
76. While I understand and generally agree with you... |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. very very easy |
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comtec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 04:31 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. What the moral superior here don't understand is stress... |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 04:55 PM Response to Reply #80 |
90. Actually, I was. |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 05:35 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. I'm envious. Not only were you able to quit, you remember it as easy. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 06:24 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. It was anything but easy.... |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. Yea. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. NO. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 04:52 PM Response to Reply #36 |
89. I don't understand. Are you implying |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
69. A 16oz bag of tobacco went from $18 to $65 - and that hit the poor the most |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 03:19 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Ahh, a consumption tax... |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 05:25 PM Response to Reply #75 |
92. And it would be easy to avoid a tax on abortion wouldn't it? |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Not sure what we are in disagreement of.... |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 06:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
100. It's a tax on a product, not a class of people. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #69 |
114. Before I gave up smoking for the ecig, I wound up using special cut pipe tobacco to avoid the cost. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
131. An important point/ Most people make their own because they're poor. |
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blue sky at night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
11. this is one issue I will not back down on.... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:14 PM Response to Reply #11 |
47. tell it to the fucking military contractors, none of which bush or obama has raised taxes on. |
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blue sky at night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 04:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
87. i see the president is in charge of taxes.... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #87 |
128. the president "proposes," congress "disposes". i've seen no proposals for special taxes on the |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
13. local cigar shop here is struggling with the insane taxes too. He gives me cigar boxes |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
38. Love really good cigar boxes! |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:18 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. I turn cigar boxes into guitars and amplifier housings... |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. How cool, Mitchum! |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
63. Yes indeed! I've done it :-D |
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earthside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
19. Big Tax Increase |
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blue sky at night (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:48 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. ya man.... |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
24. Some don't differentiate between federal and state taxes. |
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w8liftinglady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
28. yeah-these tax raises have really hurt the tobacco industry |
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Tikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
32. I would like to thank the people of California for backing legislation.. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
83. In California you cannot smoke in a parking structure. |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
34. People don't have to smoke. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:00 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. Or drink wine. Or tea. Or wear perfume. Or use fancy foods. |
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The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Nobody is suggesting any such thing. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. The man in the OP owns a cigar store |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. No more than people think it is fine to let the children of the poor and middle class go without |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:41 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. So taxing tobacco products is the only way to fund child health care in this country? |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. Obama smokes cigarettes, Bush didn't... |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. People don't have to have sex or abortions either, want to tax those things as well? |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:28 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Tax sex? In many cases that would be a "pole tax" and is illegal. n/t |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #49 |
143. This is the second time you make this assertion. Whats your deal with thinking |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
56. hmm SCHIP is one of the few things Republicans did right |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. 2009 |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 07:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
117. Here you go |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 08:15 PM Response to Reply #117 |
124. The record tax increase was enacted in 2009. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 08:33 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. I give up |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. Raising taxes on those who do things we don't like - yeah, that is always good |
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Chan790 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 03:04 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. If you can't tell... |
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mrcheerful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 03:31 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. Oh more Prohibition and drug war crap to make even more money for the state and does nothing |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #73 |
118. I am actually for NOT making crack tobacco |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 03:39 PM Response to Reply #66 |
79. Let's see: Uninsured kids on one hand, "Oppressed" Smokers on the other. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 03:58 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. If dedicated taxes stop people from buying the products... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. I'm sorry about your mom. My dad died of lung cancer, actually. |
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RandomThoughts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 06:22 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. I agree a bit on that. |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 06:33 PM Response to Reply #88 |
102. Have tried to see where the tabacco tax money(for children)has... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #102 |
108. If you're going to ask a question and then answer it yourself, it's not a conversation. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 07:51 PM Response to Reply #66 |
116. My point is that this is a REPUBLICAN PROGRAM |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
99. Again with the smoking. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 06:43 PM Response to Reply #99 |
106. Again with the missing the real point, maybe because it is easier for you then dealing with the real |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 07:03 PM Response to Reply #106 |
110. You can't have an abortion in most bars and restaurants, either. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. Being told you cannot do something amongst consenting adults |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #115 |
121. I am for regulating where people can smoke in indoor public spaces. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #115 |
147. Including the unlicensed practice of medicine... |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 08:30 PM Response to Reply #106 |
125. You're equating smoking and abortion? |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #99 |
109. Again? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #109 |
122. And if that is all the argument you have, you have lost |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 08:45 PM Response to Reply #122 |
127. It's the same fucking thing, over and over and over again. |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
111. Sorry, but it is hard to feel sorry for a guy who is peddling a drug that kills |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #111 |
120. You mean a drug like oil and exhaust fumes that many here spew out each day? |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #120 |
130. Interesting arguement though essentially irrelevant. Since everyone in |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 11:26 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. A shocking number rely on these things to get them through the day... |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #132 |
140. I would argue a great deal of the "stress" they are relieving |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #132 |
144. Lots of people don't have 5 bucks a day for a pack of smokes, either. And exercise is free. |
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Fuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
123. I too enjoy the occasional cigar. Nice and relaxing. |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
134. Why should we take his word for the numbers he gave you? |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-12-10 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
135. From what I've found, taxes went up 61 cents a pack of cigarettes, and 40 cents per cigar. |
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evrstrong (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
136. I truly believe.. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
141. When your buddy said, "Hell, I voted for Obama", he was lying |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 09:55 AM Response to Original message |
142. I am very conflicted about this |
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HuckleB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-13-10 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
146. Why Do So Many Smokers Keep Paying High Tobacco Taxes? |
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