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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 08:51 PM
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Comey's Evidence of a Crime - Impeach Now "Scoop"/Collins



From: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0705/S00343.htm

Michael Collins: Comey’s Evidence Of A Crime


Friday, 18 May 2007, 12:56 pm
Opinion: Michael Collins

COMEY’S EVIDENCE OF A CRIME

Bush, Gonzales, Card Clearly Implicated


Michael Collins
“Scoop” Independent News
Washington, DC


Tuesday was a remarkable day at the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee hearings. The exchange between Sen. Charles Schumer, R, NY and former Deputy Attorney General James Comey provides clear evidence pointing to criminal activity by the president, U.S Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, and former presidential advisor, Andrew Card. If Comey’s testimony is supported by other reliable witnesses, the Bush, Gonzales, and Card crew have some serious questions to answer.

Schumer got right to the point when he asked that Comey confirm “media reports of a dramatic visit by Alberto Gonzales and Chief of Staff Andrew Card” to the hospital room of an ailing and stricken John Ashcroft in early March, 2004

Why were they visiting Ashcroft in the hospital? Ashcroft, then the U.S. Attorney General, was gravely ill and had designated his deputy James Comey as acting attorney general. Previously, they had reviewed and rejected modifications to an unspecified federal program requiring a Department of Justice (DOJ) signature “…attesting as to its legality” Comey testified.

Shortly before the deadline for DOJ approval, Comey and the Attorney General met concerning strategy to deal with the legal problems included the White House program. Just hours later, Ashcroft was admitted to the George Washington Hospital in Washington, D.C. due to of complications from “a severe case of Gallstone Pancreatitis.” At that point, Comey became Acting U.S. Attorney General.

The White House was very displeased with the acting Attorney General Comey’s rejection of its pet project. This program was just identified as “an extension of the secret NSA warrantless eavesdropping program.” The White House representatives were at the hospital to get the ailing Ashcroft to overrule the man he’d named Acting Attorney General.

The Schumer-Comey exchange is densely packed with material that will appall just about everyone from average citizens to legal experts.

Forced call to a very ill man. Ashcroft’s wife ordered that no calls come through to the sick and disoriented Ashcroft. Only one caller was able to override her instructions. Comey testified, “I have some recollection that the call was from the president…” The White House call was reported to Comey by David Ayers, Ashcroft’s chief of staff. Mrs. Ashcroft told Ayers that the caller indicated that then presidential counsel Alberto Gonzalez and Bush advisor Andrew Card were on their way to the hospital.

Don’t throw him out! Before the White House duo arrived, the tipped off Comey diverted a trip home to rush to Ashcroft’s hospital room. He reported a phone exchange with FBI Director William Mueller: “Director Mueller instructed the FBI agents present not to allow me to be removed from the room under any circumstances.” Comey, Mueller or both anticipated a danger that Comey would be physically barred from Ashcroft’s hospital room. Mueller’s order to agents showed that he wanted Comey present at any meeting with Gonzales and Card in the hospital.

We know you’re very ill but… Gonzales and Card arrived with an envelope and immediately pressed Ashcroft to give DOJ authorization for the program.. A stricken Ashcroft sat up briefly and dispatched the White House representatives with dramatic flair saying “I’m not the attorney general.” The implication was clear. The White House had to deal with Comey.

“I thought I just witnessed an effort to take advantage of a very sick man.” The courtly Comey went as far as his sense of restraint would allow. Nothing much more needs be said of Gonzalez, Card, and White House caller who announced their impending arrival. Taking advantage of “a very sick man” is about as low as it gets on the ethics scale.

After all this, Comey was ready to resign in protest. There was a follow up call to Comey from Andrew Card following the hospital visit where he and Gonzales totally ignored Comey. There were also meetings at Justice. Comey and other senior attorneys were planning a group resignation as a result of the affair. We were headed for replay of the Nixon Saturday Night Massacre.

In what should be the most studied exchange, Comey indicates that the surveillance law was implemented without DOJ approval.


Schumer: Right. And you stated that the next day, Thursday, was the deadline for reauthorization of the program, is that right?
Comey: Yes, sir.
Schumer: OK. Can you tell us what happened the next day?
Comey: The program was reauthorized without us and without a signature from the Department of Justice attesting as to its legality. And I prepared a letter of resignation, intending to resign the next day, Friday, March the 12th.


Let’s focus on two critical issues that argue strongly that there were illegal acts committed in this affair. This requires confirmation of Comey’s testimony by the witnesses mentioned. In the meantime, it is a vital part of the process of deciding just how soon impeachment proceedings begin.

Oriented to time and place and “taking advantage of a very sick man.”

Comely used very specific words when he described Ashcroft’s condition. He said, “I immediately began speaking to him, trying to orient him as to time and place, and try to see if he could focus on what was happening, and it wasn't clear to me that he could.” A bit later in the testimony, he uses the term orientation again, attributing the assessment to Ashcroft chief of staff Ayers:

He was very concerned that Mr. Ashcroft was not well enough to understand fully what was going on. And he begged me to wait until -- this was Thursday that I was making this decision -- to wait til Monday to give him the weekend to get oriented enough so that I wouldn't leave him behind, was his concern.

Orientation is a term used in psychiatry to indicate a patient’s awareness level of himself and his surroundings: Where are you? Do you know why you’re here? Etc. If you’re not oriented, you lack the ability to make decisions that range from How do I get home? to Should I sign this agreement? An individual absent full orientation can have periods of temporary lucidity. However, these are brief and do not negate the overall condition of disorientation.

Without orientation to time and place Ashcroft would have lacked testamentary capacity, legal term indicating one has the capacity to sign a contract or, in this case, approve of warrantless spying on millions of citizens of the United States. Comey makes a strong case that there was no such capacity, other than the moment of lucidity when Ashcroft arose from his bed to admonish the two White House representatives and send them on their way.

Those seeking a signed legal agreement are required to recognize observable limitations to testamentary capacity. Comey makes clear that both he and Ayers had serious questions about Ashcroft’s lucidity. Gonzales, a lawyer, and Card should have had serious questions also. Yet they proceeded. This reported perseverance to gain approval indicates that they violated this basic principle of contract law. The person signing the agreement needs to know what he or she is doing.

The visit to the hospital and attempt to “take advantage of a very sick man” was not only ill mannered in the worst way; it was an act of deception against the Department of Justice and citizens. As Comey says and Ayers reportedly supports, Ashcroft was not sufficiently oriented to sign an agreement, let alone a complex legal approval.

Seeking approval of an illegal law then implementing the illegal law.

Before the hospital drama, it was clear that the White House knew that Comey wouldn’t sign off on the reauthorization of the surveillance law. The willingness to go around Comey, the official Acting Attorney General, and seek Ashcroft’s approval is just the opening act of this incident.

The approval was not obtained. Yet as Comey pointed out, “The program was reauthorized without us and without a signature from the Department of Justice attesting as to its legality.

There are at least two major problems facing the participants in this affair.

First, the White House attempted to obtain approval for a program that they knew the acting Attorney General would not approve. Second, they sought this approval from someone without authority, Ashcroft. He stepped down due to his illness and passed authority to Comey.

Of great significance, however, is the fact that the program was implemented. It doesn’t matter if it was for an hour, a day or a week. Comey tells us warrantless surveillance on U.S. citizens was implemented without the required DOJ approval due to Comey’s unwillingness to attest “as to its legality.”

Section 371. Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States
If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
(18USC371) U.S. Code as of: 01/19/04


If those who continued the warrantless surveillance program did so knowing that the highest and final level of legal authority in the executive branch refused to “attest to it’s legality,” this was “an offense against the United States…” and an “…agency thereof” (DOJ). The several responsible were fully oriented and aware of their decisions.

Earlier this year, Cong. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) and Cong. Henry Waxman (D-CA) pressed the Department of Justice to explain the approval, process for this warrantless surveillance program. Their letter mentions that DOJ staffers investigating this concern were denied security clearances effectively ending the investigation for a period in January 2006. Cong. Hinchey notes that Attorney General Gonzales said that president Bush had personally denied the clearances.


What does the White House have to hide regarding the approval process?

Why did Gonzales and Card see to “take advantage of a very sick man” in order to get the approval denied by Comey, the acting U.S. Attorney General?

Why was the law implemented without DOJ clearance?

Does the attempt to have an ailing and reportedly disoriented Ashcroft sign the agreement represent a Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States (Title 371)?

Does the implementation of a surveillance law represent a Conspiracy to commit offense or to defraud United States (Title 371)?

Why did the President personally deny clearances to DOJ staff investigating the DOJ approval of the warrantless surveillance program?

How many citizens had their rights violated by these programs?

How much longer will we be subject to an administration with the very loosest appreciation for the rule of law and the traditions established over centuries to protect the rights of individuals and the collective body of citizens?

It’s time for a much more aggressive stance on this issue and the larger allegations of illegal and unethical behavior. The gravity of these charges, the history of broken promises and deceptions, and the daily deterioration of our constitutional rights all argue that the appropriate forum is impeachment hearings.

Once Congress acts on impeachment, it may be sufficiently emboldened to restore habeas corpus, a most precious right that the 109th Congress and this administration remove just seven months ago.


END


From: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0705/S00343.htm

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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:25 PM
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1. May I Be The First On This Formidable Thread
They say, they being the spouts who are supposed to be journalists but are really town criers for the WH, they say he's a goner, as soon as the repugnant in chief understands that this is going to go on until he leaves office. Sniveling nasty bunch they are and am not surprised they don't get it. Am surprised that they all are acting beaucoup shocked. If we on DU knew about this for 2 years, from whence do they draw their "we didn't know" act.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:44 PM
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5. "town criers for the WH"...
...sublime accuracy!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:36 PM
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2. That would leave Dick Cheney as president, he's got to be impeached also
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:44 PM
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6. We've already got a resolution introduced for the VP...
They should get very busy, I agree. Then there will be one, and then none.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:40 PM
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51. Yeah, Don't Bother to Swear him in!Sweat AT HIM & kick him out!
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:41 PM
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3. Excellent post, autorank....
K&R

The Comey testimony was some of the most compelling I've ever witnessed.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:46 PM
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7. Thank you and...
Wasn't that amazing. It's so dense. Schumer had his moment in the sun. I can't think of anyone who has ever elicited that quality and import from any witness...well, the Butterfield revelation of a White House recording system was pretty amazing. But this was hard testimony from a wittnenss who really knows what he's doing.

It's the Gettysburg Address of Congressional testimony, hows that;)
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:01 PM
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10. There was one moment in particular.....
when he described drawing up his letter of resignation. Schumer asked him why he felt he needed to resign.

I thought I sensed a hitch in his voice when said he "just couldn't stay" when he realized his government was going to do something illegal.

Words like integrity, dedication, commitment to principle come to mind. He seems like a square shooter, at least that's how he came off to me.

I bet there are still folks like him the DOJ who would like nothing better than to see all the "loyal bushies" get wiped out.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:34 PM
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13. Comey is certainly central to much of this, seems like a person of high itegrity

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/ag_letter_feburary_06_2004.pdf

Check this letter out. It's to Fitz just before the stuff started up with the surveillance program.

He's been there doing the right thing. He should be A.G.
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:34 AM
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33. Comey... 1733 news articles and climbing......
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:43 PM
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4. Excellent work! Mueller instructing his agents
not to let Comey be removed was an amazing detail.

May I also direct you to an excellent point raised by hootinholler:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=910459&mesg_id=912733

:yourock:

Great to see you again.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:50 PM
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8. Likewise!
That's a good question over there. There is such nuance in Comey's words. I took him to mean that the program was ongoing and that he and Ashcroft objected strongly to some new feature, objectionable in ways I hope we soon learn.

That testimony is all that they need. How low can you get, going to the hospital room of someone ill, trying to get him to approve a program he can't approve (as Ashcroft pointed out), and being willing to use the purloined pseudo approval for an authorization. It blows me away. They compound obscenity upon illegality and call it governance.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:50 PM
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20. "They compound obscenity upon illegality and call it governance."
I believe I'll have this tattooed in Latin on my bicep.

:thumbsup:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:13 PM
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66. Over a Raiders logo;)

Our team can do that stuff but not the prez!!!

:evilgrin:
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 08:24 PM
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73. Astounding, really
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 09:50 PM
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9. Did you see this one Sir auto?...
A thread by kpete:

"50 US Attorney Generals Wanted Gonzales To Investigate Oil Industry-HE REFUSED"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x903624
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:26 PM
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11. :No, but thank youj.
:hi:

What a bunch of crooks. We'll just presume the liars part.

Amazing, nonstop amazing.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:28 PM
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12. Is Impeachment now "on the table"?
How about it Nancy?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:48 PM
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15. Nancy could give Dennis a hand.
Clear the decks first. Cheney is now asking that his comments to reporters on Plame be set aside with regard to any future prosecutions. What a joke. He needs an early retirement package, maybe a Timex watch, discount quality, and a Bible which he needs to read again and again (old Quaker crime remedy;)
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:46 PM
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14. Another good question here:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:52 PM
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16.  Good quesiton about discussing the issue in front of


Mrs Ashcroft.

Can you imagine what kind of guys do this sort of thing, go after a "very sick man." Even if Ashcroft had signed, it would have been a hard sell to make the signature work. He wasn't A.G. at the time.

We're getting closer by the day, it seems.

Let's keep pushing.

:hi:

(haha on me, I posted this on the other thread thinking it was to you, so here you go)
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 10:58 PM
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17. As I keep thinking
it completely resembles that scene in The Godfather where Michael comes to the hospital and finds Vito all alone. He and the nurse move him to another room while Enzo the Baker stands outside pretending to have a gun. "Do you know who my father is? People are coming here to kill him."

I keep thinking about Mrs. Ashcroft who just wanted to be left alone and had to deal with this whole ugly scene. A bunch of thugs.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:19 PM
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18. "He's the kid of guy you'd like to have as a neighbor." Remember that press lie from 2000?
I do, it made me wretch...Just had to look af * and his history to know that was absurd. Amazing what passes as news now a days.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 11:58 AM
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42. For the record
I never wanted to have a beer with him.

:hi:
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-17-07 11:27 PM
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19. Yes, the program was illegal and that's important. But more important, maybe,
is why it was illegal and in what ways was the law abused? Were the surveillance targets legitimate targets and still the administration failed to get court authorization? Or was it also illegal in the sense that the targets were inappropriate or didn't represent just cause for surveillance?

Why was this program so, SO, important that Gonzales and Card had to do this end run around Comey? After all if Comey didn't authorized the program they merely had to get court authorization but still could continue monitoring targets. The answer is that probably the targets were inappropriate, right? And THAT is a much bigger problem than we are reading about...the bedside plea and all. Remember, with these guys the real misdeeds are much worse than the reporting shows.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:00 AM
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21. Their misdeeds are so extensive, piled up they'd reach the top of Half Dome.
It may well have been just awful. That's why this is a great jumping off point. There is nothing in Comey's testimony where I could read that in, although he's brilliant at providing clear messages while seeming to hedge.

Consider this alternative for just a moment (which in no way diminishes how awful the program was based on just what we know):

* was going to lose, he was going to lose big. He can't stand to lose and nothing, including one my favorite causes, stolen elections, will stand in his way. "Screw it," he said, "I want that damn program continued. If Comey won't sign it, get Ashcroft to sign it, damn it!!!" (Remember the rumors of * tantrums and mood swings.) Gonzo and Card knew this character too well to offer a voice of reason and they liked their benefits too much to risk losing them. So like good agents of the vile in politics, they trundled off to "take advantage of a very sick man."

This explanation fits with my view that much of this is just a bit over the line from business as usual. Think back to Reagan's Contra affair, everything foul Nixon did, and *I's use of a teenager to tell a big fat lie about babies being thrown out of incubators in Kuwait to justify that war.

It's par for the course for the right wing.

In either case, these specific acts look illegal as Hell. The perps need to be put on trial.
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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 11:35 AM
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41. Did your hear Bush yesterday in the news conference.........
with Blair? What a smug son of a bitch. he was asked about his role in sending Cark and Gonzales to the hospital that day, and of course he didn't say he did or didn't. However, whatever happened was for the good of the country and to keep Americans safe. In otherwords, as we have known for sometime, breaking laws in this administration is just part of their job to keep us all warm and cozy. I swear, if I could have put my fist through the television, I would have knocked him on his fat ass.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 05:51 PM
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54. I did see that. Wasn't that ridiculous.
Edited on Fri May-18-07 05:57 PM by autorank
Here's proof that they went to the hospital at Bush's orders: if he didn't approve before the fact, they would have been fired immediately, maybe roughed up a bit in the press, and potentially indicted. This would have been the most insubordinate action of any * loyalist ever. Unthinkable that one could do this and survive with this president.

Proof of that is the standards for the rarely, if ever, firings of the US Attorneys. They were shown the door simply on the basis of not prosecuting enough voter fraud cases, that elusive, 8 federal conviction a year so-called crime.

I wish the press had followed up on that by asking,

Q: "You didn't fire either Gonzales or Card. That's a fact. It follows that either a) you allow massive insubordination by your closest aids or b) you approved of the plan before hand. Which is it?"

*: "Well, uh , ah, I'm not gonna answer that question."

Q: "So we can assume that you run a tight ship, have zero tolerance for the commission of illegal acts in your name by misrepresenting your authority, and therefore believe that, by not firing them, you were behind this entire reprehensible scheme."


These are wordy and not such great questions but the logic is there. They could have done their job and a big favor for the country by cornering him on this.

Of course he approved of it. It's implied in the entire affair, explicitly implied by the comments of Comey and by the entire "tough manager, demands total loyalty, nobody screws him" history.

He should be shown the door, soon. Thanks for bringing this up.

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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 12:13 PM
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44. I think the WH has the view that whatever is good for them is good for America
...so that ANY action that keeps them in power, that keeps their friends in power and wealth, that diminishes the voices of their policy opponents, that protects their own power, and that hides the truth from the public IS GOOD FOR AMERICA AND THEREFORE JUSTIFIED. It is an extreme form of ego mania where they think concentrating power and wealth into their own hands is what's best.

Thereafter, everything corrupt and immoral falls under the excuse of national security. This is very deep and I hope we'll get to the bottom of it, past the midnight visit that's getting all the attention.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:11 AM
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27. The DOJ's refusal confirms the "there" that's there
Yesterday, on Hardball, Kate O'Beirne was trying the old "But, I don't see any 'there' there." Matthews should have just reached across the desk and smacked or (kidding!) but instead only pushed her on it a bit.

The fact is: DOJ's refusal to sign off on the program as being Constitutionally legal is confirmation that it was not. Therefor, it was a crime being committed. Just changing the program doesn't erase what had already happened.

If my neighbor broke into my house and stole something yesterday, he doesn't get a pass because he's not doing it today.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 06:08 PM
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57. Wiggs, here's something in support of your analysis. It's excellent.
Edited on Fri May-18-07 06:10 PM by autorank
The "Scoop" article was reposted at "Smirking Chimp." Here's an excellent comment with some evidence regarding a great Democrat in the Florida panhandle:

From Smirking Chimp: http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/7529#comment

A great article, but you forgot something!

Michael;

Obviously, you're right on target, and under normal circumstances this could have been the "smoking gun" that would finally rid us of the Bush Crime Family once and for all - but you missed one important point:

First, ask yourself why the Bush administration was so adamant about implementing this illegal program - even though they could accomplish the same thing by reporting to FISA. Obviously, there is no logical rationale unless they intended to use the wiretapping program for purposes other than what it was intended for - which wouldn't pass muster in front of the secret FISA Judges - which necessitated bypassing FISA and proceeding as they did in an unethical and illegal manner.

When I interviewed Joe Roberts, who was running against incumbent Jeff Miller in Florida's Panhandle - he stated it was his belief that the President was using the illegal wiretapping program to spy on his political adversaries. Think about that...

The NSA Wiretapping Program - Is Bush spying on Politicians?
http://justanothercoverup.com/?p=196

Remember J. Edgar Hoover and his infamous spying on any and all prominent political figures in Washington? I do, and I see the similarity, except this time the river runs much deeper - and I would speculate that the amount of "dirt" the GOP has gathered on the opposition is the only thing that is preventing impeachment hearings, plus causing many Congressional and House Representatives to vote in defiance of their constituencies and their own principles.

How in the F**k can you impeach an Executive that may have enough illegally gained intelligence to sink the careers of many of our top politicians – probably in both parties?

Remember, this is a White House that operates like an organized crime family… Maybe we need to change our approach and impeach the bastards secretly – and let them know they’ve been relieved of duty as they’re being led out of the White House in hand-cuffs!

Justanothercoverup


My response at "Smirking Chimp" is below:

Joe (I mistakenly refer to user Justanothercoverup as "Joe", the Florida panhandle candidate)
I agree with your analysis and conclusions.

I'd have gladly referenced your write up. You can never go wrong assuming the worst behavior possible and you do a fine job of making the case. With this, I was trying to stay on task and make a simple point: just based on this remarkable exchange, there is enough to conclude that law breaking has taken place.

Why don't they act? Thanks for one very good path to that answer:

"How in the F**k can you impeach an Executive that may have enough illegally gained intelligence to sink the careers of many of our top politicians – probably in both parties??" http://justanothercoverup.com/?p=196

In essence, the WH "has the pictures."

I'll never understand why those in power compromise themselves with bad behavior. I suspect that some point, one of the honest and clean faction will push the matter.

The inaction, however, is a disgrace and the silence is telling.

Keep up the great work in the Panhandle. You've got some great citizen - activists down there.
_______

Michael Collins
www.electionfraudnews.com
Michael Collins | May 18 2007 - 1:09pm |



Pretty interesting stuff he brings up.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 10:12 PM
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67. Thanks. "You can never go wrong assuming the worst behavior possible..."
That's absolutely right with these guys. Why pundits and dc dems haven't assumed the worst is beyond me. Rather, they give the benefit of the doubt whenever possible. Just say what we all are thinking and let them prove us wrong! Yes...Bush spied on Americans for political gain. Yes...Bush outed a CIA agent and scuttled a whole team charged with monitoring nuclear proliferation. This has been a source of frustration for 6 years. Yes...a gay porn star visited the WH 200 times to play with whomever and was given a press pass to throw softball questions at the press secretary....Yes George Bush is drinking again. Yes he was AWOL in the national guard. Yes the facts were fixed around a neocon wet dream.

Someday, maybe with your help, we'll understand all that's gone on with the right and the left.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:31 AM
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22. k&r
I think I'll go watch Comey's testimony again. ;)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 02:38 AM
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24. Ahoy brother Swamprat.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:50 AM
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23. KNR . . . . baby !! ! !
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 06:06 AM
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25. K&R
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 08:52 AM
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26. WaPo has a good "Evolving List" at this link for those interested:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:32 AM
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32. 13 USAs Named By Kyle Sampson 24 Feb 2005 ( Lam, McKay, Cummins, Chiara)
hi mod mom...
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 10:55 AM
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38. Today we learn Elston (COS DAG) passed some names on, but didn't intend firings:
Edited on Fri May-18-07 10:56 AM by mod mom
Elston: Just Passing A Couple Names Along

By Paul Kiel - May 17, 2007, 6:07 PM

The Washington Post reported this morning that Michael Elston, chief of staff to the deputy attorney general, had suggested five U.S. attorneys to be fired in November of last year, just a month before the firings.

Now Elston's lawyer is saying that you got him all wrong. Elston didn't mean for those U.S. attorneys to be fired. No. He was just passing along some names suggested to him by others. Totally different. From The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review:

"At no time did Mike ever believe that any of the U.S. attorneys mentioned in the Nov. 1 e-mail should be dismissed," Driscoll said in a statement. "To the contrary, Mike's view is that the five U.S. attorneys mentioned in the e-mail are among the department's best."...
Elston simply passed on the names suggested to him by others after he was asked in October to find out if concerns existed about any U.S. attorneys that top Justice Department officials were not aware of, according to Driscoll.
"Mike did what was requested of him, and forwarded the names that others had suggested," Driscoll stated. "...Mike recommended that they not be added to the list of those whose resignations would be requested, and to his knowledge, they never were."

-snip

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003248.php

:hi: back at you althecat!
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 11:11 AM
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40. God knows...... but this snowball is definitely gathering a bunch...
Edited on Fri May-18-07 11:12 AM by althecat
:toast:

... of soft white stuff about it & a lot of momentum.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 12:46 PM
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47. McCatchy ups the toll of US Attorneys to 30:
Anatomy of a Purge

By Paul Kiel - May 18, 2007, 1:01 PM
30 and climbing.

In a story this morning, McClatchy ups The Washington Post's toll of 26 U.S. attorneys to 30. So now we're up to one-third of the nation's 93 U.S. attorneys who were once tagged for firing over the course of Kyle Sampson's two-year "process."

To make all that brainstorming easier to wrap your head around, the Post ran a great graphic that shows which U.S. attorneys appeared on what list and when. We've incorporated the Post's information into a document collection series of the firing lists so you can see how the lists were presented in the various emails.

So now we know who, how, and when. But why? It's clear from local press reports that the vast majority of the U.S. attorneys once targeted for firing never heard any complaints from their superiors about their performance. So the search continues.

-snip

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003250.php
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 06:00 PM
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56. Geez, I take a few days off and the toll climbs by 22.
:)
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:18 AM
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28. Gidday,
Has anyone sent this to David Swanson?

Scoop is genuinely honoured to publish Michael Collins work.

:patriot:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:26 AM
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29. K & R!
:kick:
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:27 AM
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30. Damn right...
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:28 AM
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31. read your piece on SmirkingChimp early this A.M.
Jonathan Turley has said for quite some time now that ordering the illegal wiretaps is an impeachable offense. Your exquisitely documented argument appears to be a slam dunk. The question in my mind is whether or not the Democrats in Congress have the cojones to do something about it.

K&R
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 07:49 PM
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63. Your question is my question & thank you!


Turley is money in the bank. I'm really narrow casting here. They knew the guy was sick yet they tried to get him (Ashcroft) to sign an approval (contract) when he was clearly not "oriented to time and place" (don't you love Comey) and when he wasn't, as the man said himself, even the attorney general. What gall! And * dispatched them because, had he not, they would have been fired for insubordination. That's a fact.

Then they ran that program for some period of time, as Comey so nicely informed us, without authorization.

Turley us surely right. The whole damn thing stinks, the surveillance act. He was joined by another patriot, who said the same things on January 16, 2006, Al Gore, the once and future president.

Al Gore: The American Constitution is in Grave Danger, 16 Jan 2006, Wash. DC

It's IMPEACHMENT time!
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 10:36 AM
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34. Michael Collins is No. 1
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 10:41 AM
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35. Checkout Buzzflash....
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 10:44 AM
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36. Cannon Fire
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 10:46 AM
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37. Smirking Chimp
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 11:02 AM
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39. A washpost skeptic oped...
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 12:09 PM
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43. Ashcroft and Comey said specifically IT was a violation of US law--yet they proceeded
but lying about a blowjob is impeachable....when will the Corporate Media get it!?!

Is real, independent, tough journalism really dead?
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 12:15 PM
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45. Thom Hartmann pointing out now how NBC is the only news network
to report on this.

If a political crime is committed but no media report it, did it happen?

:eyes:

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 12:31 PM
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46. Congress either Impeach or don't whine about what you will suffer at
our expense, and nevermind what we suffer. That apparently shouldn't be to difficult for you.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:00 PM
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48. K & R!!! Nothing surprises me about this, but it's so important to
Edited on Fri May-18-07 01:12 PM by Nothing Without Hope
make the truth much more widely known. This is a gang of the worst kind of criminals, and there is nothing they will stop at, including mass homicide in wars and destruction of our country for profit. Yet the 30 percenters keep hanging onto their delusions, bolstered by the sycophantic media enablers. As pointed out by Paul Krugman, it's not just the Bush inner circle, it's the whole Republican party, as clearly seen in the recent debates: http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/05/18/krugman-on-bushs-gop/ And not all the Democrats are on our side, either.

The criminals who have stolen and grievously wounded our country intend to brazen it out and are counting on their progressive corruption of the "Justice Department" and the courts to see them through unscathed, while the tame media keep the citizenry distracted and frightened of "terrorists" under their beds.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 03:39 AM
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71. Hope, we're the only people on our side, that's for sure.
We're all we need. The people lead on Iraq and impeachment.

Congress mus follow.

Chees to you !
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:23 PM
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49. A very lucid recounting of Ashcroft's lack of lucidity.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 07:11 PM
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72. Thanks Roland!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 01:27 PM
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50. Fascinating stuff, Mike. The beat goes on. As Hunter S might have
put it, "They're being beaten like gongs". And these are just the investigations!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 02:09 PM
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52. Recommended.
:thumbsup:


IT IS TRIBUNAL TIME IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA -- NOW
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 04:04 PM
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53. K&R!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 05:59 PM
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55. VIDEO: Josh Marshall has a 15 minute version of the exchange:
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 06:41 PM
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58. evening kick
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 06:49 PM
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59. Nominated.
Good work. Thank you.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 07:17 PM
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60. It's past NOW. Impeach.
There is undeniable evidence of tactics so low and treacherous they demand prosecution and conviction. Acts that go against all the principles Americans hold dear. Ashcroft deserves credit for an act of true conscience (Am I actually saying this? Well I'll be damned) in a moment where anything less would have given these criminals unthinkable powers of intrusion.

Impeachment.

Nothing Less, and so much more.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 07:21 PM
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61. Can't remember if I posted to this thread already or not, and at the
Edited on Fri May-18-07 07:22 PM by lonestarnot
moment, I'm too tired to look, so I'm posting to it, either again or for the first time. I know I bookmarked it this a.m.

US Constitution, Article II, Section 4:

The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

I'm also too tired or lazy to figure out how to bold, so I will shout... kay?

SHALL SHALL SHALL SHALL SHALL SHALL SHALL SHALL SHALL SHALL SHALL SHALL SHALL SHALL

AND ON (eww sorry) and on edit... I recommended this a.m.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 02:16 AM
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69. SHALL SHALL SHALL
Yes indeed. They're obligagted to impeach. Duty calls, get busy fellas, we have a nation to fix and a world to heal.

"shall be removed from office on impeachment..."

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mile18blister Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 07:46 PM
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62. We have got to make an example out of Chimpy, Cheney, & Gonzo.
Edited on Fri May-18-07 08:01 PM by mile18blister
If we don't, we will keep getting these recycled Watergate/Iran-Contra/PNAC characters and their proteges until this country no longer exists. We have to make an example out of these atrocities.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 08:04 PM
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64. K&R...
Fire the bastids!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-19-07 02:19 AM
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70. I'm bookmarking this as the reminder I can always use....the Flotz technique
"KISS" ... any other organizaiton, these guys would be gonzo.
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 09:06 PM
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65. K&R
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-18-07 11:11 PM
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68. Kick. (nt)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 03:21 AM
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74. Kick
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-21-07 10:57 AM
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75. Kickity kick...
More great reporting from autorank!
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