Molly Norris Appreciation Thread!!

[derby378]

If you believe that Molly did a public service by demonstrating that a depiction of Mohammed is no more sacred than a picture of Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, or Doctor Strange, show her some love here!

Good luck, Molly - wherever you are. Peace and tranquility be upon you. :hug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. K & R

[Ex Lurker]

6. I'll add my voice, since the other thread got hijacked

by Christian bashers. I'm not a Christian, and I agree Christianity has a lot to answer for. But DU has a blind spot for Islamic extremism.

[Ex Lurker]

7. as evidence, I point out that this thread is sinking fast. nt

[hlthe2b]

8. Your accusation is extremely reminiscent of our RW brethren

I don't defend Islamic extremists. I support tolerance for peaceful adherents of all cultures and religion.

Intolerance is not a progressive value.

[Ex Lurker]

11. I didn't say you or anybody else is defending Islamic extremists

what does happen, though, is that DU'ers tend to look the other way a lot when it comes to Islamic extremism. Not all, but many. If Molly Norris was an abortion doctor forced underground by Christians, you wouldn't be able to get a word in edgewise. She has to hide because of threats from radical Islamists and one thread gets hijacked while another one sinks into oblivion.

[RandomThoughts]

2. Someone should issue a fatwa on those that issued one on her.

Although I see the issued on her as meaningless. And would not think such a use of religious decrees to be correct in either case.

It is for social control, not for spiritual reasons.

:shrug:


Religious violence and coercion exist so people can fight without having to feel and think on things.

If you believe a spiritual voice because it says something, and don't think and feel on it, and learn from many people on what is best, then you don't have the 2nd and 3rd defense. And if the 'spiritual' thing you listen to tricks you, then you do something wrong.


I think things make sense from many views, the Holy Trinity, God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

As seen by acts of God's love and justice, and mercy and compassion, first defense.

The son, Jesus Christ in your heart and the ability to think and feel on what is right and wrong, not just doing what you are told by anything, the second defense, within my beliefs.

And the teachings by many people through history on better ideals and thoughts, although each has to decide when something is inspired, many teachings in my view are the 3rd defense, The Holy Spirit.

It also fits ideas of faith, reason, and education.

It all makes so much sense.

[hlthe2b]

3. That is quite complicated...

Certainly I believe a depiction of Mohammed is no more sacred than a picture of Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, or Doctor Strange.
Certainly I believe she should be free from fear to live her life in peace and tranquility (and safety).
Certainly I believe in her right to publish and to speak as she pleases.
Certainly I believe that it is abhorrent and unacceptable for anyone to threaten her for doing so.


That said, I also believe in respecting others. Knowing as I do (and I assume that she knew at the time) just how offensive it was to adherents of Islam to depict Mohammed in picture form, I would NOT have done so. I believe in respecting the culture, traditions, and beliefs of others to the extent I possibly (ethically) can.


I wish her well and am sorry she is paying such a steep price. But the issue is complicated and I won't deny that there is more than one side to be considered.

[lonestarnot]

4. I would like to live my life in peach too.

:evilgrin:

[hlthe2b]

5. Now that's just peachy keen! (oops)

LOL ;)

[lonestarnot]

10. I thought you might like to know.

;)

[GoneOffShore]

9. No, it's not complicated.

The Saudi's are trying to stifle any and all criticism of Islam via UN resolution.

Islamic exceptionalism is as objectionable as American exceptionalism.

Let's have any religion be available to all the ridicule that belief in unprovable crap deserves. And let us stop saying that "We have to respect it. It's their culture."

Bear in mind that their culture stones people, cuts off hands, makes women wear burquas, prevents them from getting an education, kills homosexuals, stigmatizes anyone who leaves their religion.

That's not the 21st century, it's the 15th.



No one has a right not to be offended.

[hlthe2b]

12. I do not support intolerance on either side;

Going out of ones way to insult, ridicule or antagonize another based on their religious or cultural beliefs is not only repulsive, it incites, very much like the bully in the school yard. Conflating extremism (which no one on DU justifies), as in your example, with simple respectful tolerance for the differences in other cultures is not simply a straw man argument, but a very disingenuous one as well.

Intolerance is not a progressive value.

[GoneOffShore]

15. So you don't really care about Islamic intolerance?

Okay.

I now know who and what you are.


Good night and good luck with that.

[hlthe2b]

16. No one who can read and comprehend could honestly conclude

that from my post.

[GoneOffShore]

17. So you don't care that the Muslims are intolerant but it worries you that

"progressives"are?
Fine.

[hlthe2b]

18. Again, I never said that... I never said anything like that.

I will not be responding to you again as you have demonstrated an unwillingness for civil and honest discourse. Ignore.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

21. No, there is only one side to be considered.

Drawing a picture of Mohammed is in no way, shame or form immoral - quite the reverse, for as long as people respond to doing so in this way, there is a moral obligation to draw and spread pictures of him. It's regrettable that this will offend those Muslims who don't respond to it with violence, harrassement and attempts at criminalisation, but that's a price worth paying many times over.

It is not just the case that Jones had the right to draw Mohammed; she also *was* right to draw him, precisely because doing so attracts this kind of response.

That you're equivocating in your support for her is, frankly, contemtible.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Where's the Terry Jones appreciation thread?

He did a public service by showing that the Koran is just another book.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

19. Jones was burning the Koran for the wrong reasons.

Burning a book as a way of commenting on its contents is a bad thing.

Burning a book as a way of defending your right to do so, when that right is under threat, is good thing.

If someone had tried to take away Jones' right to burn the Bible, he wouldn't have objected.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. Jones burned the Koran for the same reason Norris drew the comic.

To insult as many muslims as possible.

"Burning a book as a way of defending your right to do so, when that right is under threat, is good thing."

LOL

[smalll]

14. Stay strong Molly, wherever you are.

Having to pick up and move suddenly, change your identity, and start a whole new life all of a sudden must be tough.

And for apologists at DU -- Google up Molly Norris -- I'd bed dollars to donuts that this woman from Seattle was a good, solid liberal Democrat -- one of us. Goes to show that the threats that have driven her into hiding are clearly coming from enemies -- of a FRIEND.

[GoneOffShore]

22. A kick for this as it's dropping down the charts.

We need to see more of Molly.