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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 09:20 AM
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Lawrence O'Donnell: "I've been a liberal so long…
…that I still call myself one."

I hate the Hollywood Reporter's choice of quote for the title, so I chose not to use it, but this is still a good interview of MSNBC's newest host.


he Hollywood Reporter: Are you a liberal?

Lawrence O'Donnell: Yes. And I've been a liberal for so long that I still call myself one. I didn't change to "progressive."

THR: But you have referred to yourself as a socialist.

O'Donnell: Yes. A practical European socialist which, as it turns out, we all are, if you know that Social Security ... is a socialist program, and that Medicare is a socialist program and that all economies of the world are mixed with some capitalism and some socialism and they just vary in their degrees.

THR: So you have no objection when conservatives call President Obama a socialist?

O'Donnell: No. But if they're honest about it, they would call themselves socialist, too. Newt Gingrich preserved the socialist state. He never once introduced a bill to repeal Medicare.


MUCH MORE AT LINK HERE:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i188fd3103facd85e247f1c1a0c75d815?pn=1
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 09:22 AM
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1. I look forward to his show
And like Rachel I will give him months of my time to give him a chance to develop it better. She sure did.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 09:27 AM
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2. That's a keeper! Actual hardball questions (from a Hollywood rag, no less)
and GREAT responses.

Big k/r.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 09:38 AM
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3. Yes, it is a good interview, isn't it? But I beg to differ; The
Hollywood Reporter is not a rag. It's a trade paper. And it's my trade, so THR is sort of my NY Times or Hollywood Post. It tells me what's going on in the industry.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 10:34 AM
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6. My sincere apologies. Makes sense, that is a very impressive interview. nt
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 10:18 AM
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4. a millionaire socialist eh?
To each according to their needs?

"In our view, O’Donnell has been a disgrace for years, dating back to his active role in the wars against Clinton and Gore. He was still going out of his way to call Gore a liar, on TV, in October 2000! O’Donnell’s political background was with Pat Moynihan, who spent the last years of his career talking all kinds of crap about Social Security. (He too worked hard to undermine Gore, on this very topic.)"

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh090210.shtml

"But at least we got to see, once again, what the Post means by “balance.” On Sunday, Garrigan pandered and fawned to Thompson, in a profile so absurd that it stretched the boundaries of mainstream press nonsense. Providing the Democratic perspective, O’Donnell couldn’t say a good word about Gore, and he criticized all other Big Dems, calling Edwards a girlie-man phony. But then, so it has often gone as the mainstream press has acted out its notion of balance. This leaves us with a puzzling question: Who would put Garrigan’s nonsense in print? And who would provide such strange “balance?”"

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh052207.shtml

"Dionne and O’Donnell belong to a clan—a clan which has served you very badly over the years. The clan’s judgment has been astoundingly poor—and its character has been even worse. Like Kagan, clan members have kept their traps shut at pretty much every critical juncture, thus protecting their own career status. It’s no wonder they leap, as if by muscle memory, to defend the fellow-traveler who kept her own trap shut all through these past many years.

She would have spoken up, we’re told. But she wanted to land that good job!

This clan is powerful, and it lives for the clan. It has served you amazingly poorly over the course of the past twenty years. You are in Iraq because these perfumed losers refused to speak when the speaking was dangerous—when it meant opposing the views of the clan. This dates to 1999, of course, when the clan went to war with a candidate. (O’Donnell helped drive that war. Dionne refused to complain.)"

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh051410.shtml

"O’Donnell is modern High Liberal Royalty—and we have the defeats to prove it. In October 2000, he was still aggressively trashing Gore on The McLaughlin Group, dreaming up “lies” Gore plainly hadn’t told. (He did this from the “liberal” chair.) Four years later, he melted down on MSNBC as he tried to debate John O’Neill, head of the Swift Boat Vets. It was clear that O’Donnell wasn’t prepared to argue the facts of the case with O’Neill; members of his lordly class simply don’t prepare. As his high class typically does, he tried to compensate by shouting insults. O’Neill looked sane by comparison—and MSNBC pretty much booted O’Donnell off the air.

George Bush won the election.

Last week, O’Donnell appeared with guest host David Shuster, discussing the Sotomayor hearings. Frank Ricci had testified that day, and the conversation went there. Whatever you think of the Ricci decision, O’Donnell’s presentation was wonderfully foolish. If you didn’t care about political outcomes, this would just be good solid fun:"

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh072409.shtml

"Poor O’Donnell! Because he was “earning” more than 120K, he wouldn’t get a thing from Gore’s plan! And don’t worry! O’Donnell, a fiery “TV liberal,” was earning well more than that paltry sum, writing the fatuous Hollywood scripts that had turned him into a screaming fop—the classic “TV liberal.” Eventually, Eleanor Clift did jump in, complaining about the High Pundit Foppistry with which she found herself surrounded. But O’Donnell, a “TV liberal,” wouldn’t stop. He had one last bit of praise for Bush’s plan—the plan that would eventually earn him and his Millionaire Pundit Class beaucoup bucks:
MCLAUGHLIN: Okay. Bush has said that if you comport to certain predesignated behavior patterns, then Gore's plan will work for you. But he, Bush, says, "I'm making this available for everybody's option. Not just those who've—
BARONE: John, John—

O'DONNELL: That's why rate cuts so attractive. Rate cuts work for everyone.

Translation: Rate cuts work for millionaires like me. But so it went as a “TV liberal” trashed Gore’s make-up and made-up lies. So it went as a “TV liberal” fought to put Bush in the White House."

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh060305.shtml


Okay, that's a lot of reading and most people are not gonna click all those links, but we sure seem to love our millionaire pseudo liberals here because they often trash voters in the other tribe. Do we ignore all the times they trashed Democratic candidates? And do we ignore the fact that corporations are paying them millions of dollars? That maybe they watch what they say in order to stay on the gravy train?







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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 01:37 PM
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18. Blah, blah. Characterizing 'The West Wing' as fatuous is silly
It was excellent television. His work was not fatuous.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 06:38 PM
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20. i've never liked him
always came off as smug and self-important. I'm kind of surprised he calls himself a Liberal. I've always thought of him as a loyal DNCer... albeit blowing hot air everywhere. That being said, i loved West WIng. I wonder how he'd score on that test that was posted on DU yesterday which finds out how Liberal/Conservative you are...

i scored 567 btw...

:)


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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 10:20 AM
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5. I agree with him about the words "liberal" and "progressive"...
We need to take back the "liberal" label and be proud of it.


"progressive" is a soup... or an auto insurance company.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 10:40 AM
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7. I agree. I've never embraced or even understood what "progressive" means as a political label
It seems to me it was a weaselly way to counter the repubs when they tried to demonize "liberal". Instead of countering, they retreated and relabeled.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 10:53 AM
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8. it's not really a new label
http://www.progressive.org/

Since 1909. Or as google says "peace and social justice since 1909".

I always figured that progressives were to the left of liberals. Only recently did I learn that the DLC tried to co-opt that word.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 11:53 AM
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10. That org would be big "P" Progressives. What gets bandied about is small "p" progressives.
I'm a liberal.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 01:19 PM
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16. I think of liberal as a noun and progressive as a verb
Liberal is what I am. Progressive is what I do.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 01:33 PM
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17. I like that!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 10:56 AM
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9. I look forward, too, even though I suspect the show is payment for "Edwards is a loser".
Edited on Fri Sep-17-10 10:57 AM by McCamy Taylor
GE really did not want to see Clinton in the WH. Edwards cut into the small but determined "No way we will vote for a woman" vote. With Obama and Clinton virtually neck and neck, any votes counted.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 03:43 PM
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19. Why in the world would GE want to prevent another Clinton
in the White House? The first one wasn't exactly hostile to corporations.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 11:59 AM
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11. I agree with his tactic of actually explaining what socialism actually means
The word seriously needs to be desensitized these days.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 12:03 PM
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12. That was a good read
I'm looking forward to seeing the format of his program. He's quite a laser.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 12:29 PM
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13. The writer, Paul Bond, sounds like a winger.
Snuck in some WR talking points in the questions.

THR: So you can't look at tax cuts under Reagan or JFK that brought in more money to the Treasury and conclude that tax cuts would work again?

THR: But that's not Obama's fault because he has made no mistakes, right?

THR: I watch both, and I see a lot more debate on Fox than on MSNBC.

THR: But I'm talking about liberals on Fox like Al Sharpton, Juan Williams, Geraldo Rivera. I don't see many conservatives on MSNBC.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 12:44 PM
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14. Geraldo and juan williams
aren't liberals..
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 01:14 PM
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15. It's still a better interview than you'll see at 99% of other
media outlets.
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