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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 01:49 PM
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My open letter to Dr. Douchebag (aka Dr. Roger Starner Jones)

For those of you who missed the original "Dr. Douchebag thread" with the "Dr. Roger Starnes Jones" meme, you can find it here:

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9136853&mesg_id=9136853



In his letter to the Clarion Ledger on 9/06/2009, Dr. Roger Starner Jones criticizes one of his emergency room patients for spending money on “luxuries and vices” while “refusing to take care of one's self”. Like most right-wing causes du-jour, Jones’ letter has made the rounds of e-mail forwards and social networking posts. It is evident that a lot of people echo Jones’ sentiments, but Starnes and his followers are wrong. And here’s why: each of Dr. Jones' judgments of his patient are based solely on appearances rather than facts, and he fails to ask some very important questions.

Dr. Jones criticizes his patient for “using a new cellular telephone”. What kind of asinine criticism is that? Phone service is one of the most basic necessities for a person to have, and (big shocker!!1!!) many low income people choose to have cellular service over traditional landlines. I guess the good doctor is unfamiliar with “pay as you go” phone plans that do not require a monthly contract like landline phones. He further criticizes his patient for wearing “a very expensive brand of tennis shoes”. Has Dr. Jones been made aware of knockoffs, factory outlets, etc. One can buy last year’s “expensive” clothing at tremendous discount. He also criticizes his patient for having “an expensive gold tooth,” is he saying that he would rather have his patient be toothless than to have a prosthetic tooth?

I wonder how much Dr. Jones actually talked with this patient and how many of his judgments he simply made on outward appearances. For example, did he ask his patient about her employment history, and what her finances were like when she got the “expensive” clothing and tattoos? Did he ask if the patient herself paid for the clothing or tattoos, or if they were gifts? He didn’t say so in the letter, so we can assume the answer is “no”. Many Americans who work part-time jobs are not offered health insurance by their employers, and don’t make enough money to afford private health insurance on their own, no matter how responsible they are in their choices.

Did he ask his patient if she lived in an area with convenient access to a grocery store, or had facilities with which to prepare meals at home? He didn’t say so in his letter, so we can assume the answer is “no”. Many urban residents are plagued by the fact that grocery stores are adopting the “big box” model and are relocating to the suburbs where space is al less of a premium. Residents of these areas who lack cars or the time to shop outside their communities find that their only options for food are fast-food restaurants. And, pound for pound, junk food is cheaper than healthy food.

Finally, did Dr. Jones make any suggestions or recommendations to his patient? Did he offer her any of the advice concerning priorities and her unhealthy lifestyle that he discussed in his letter to the Clarion Ledger? He didn’t mention that in his letter. Perhaps the real "cultural crisis" concerning healthcare is doctors who are disengaged from their patients and communities. Does Dr. Jones like the community he serves? Does he respect his patients confidence, dignity, and privacy?

What kind of doctor speaks so judgmentally of his own patients, anyway? Is this the same “bedside manner” that all of Dr. Jones’ patients can expect to receive? If I walk wearing an Armani suit, will I be accused White Collar crime? If I walk in wearing a sombrero, will I have to show the good doctor my citizenship papers? The “welfare queen” meme is just a stereotype and doesn’t hold water in these times of unemployment approaching 10%, and when 40 million Americans don’t carry health insurance.

As far as Dr. Jones “paying for his patients’ healthcare"… that’s a disingenuous claim at best. The healthcare plan passed by Congress last year mandates most individuals to purchase health insurance from their employers via private insurers. So for most of his patients Dr. Jones would actually be making more money because private insurers reimburse hospitals at a higher rate than Medicaid and other government payers. The CBO (Congressional Budget Office, a non-government organization that evaluates budget proposals for Congress) says that the plan will save taxpayers a trillion dollars over 20 years.

For the remaining citizens who can’t afford to buy their own health insurance, the government subsidies will increase their access to preventative care, which will reduce costs to programs like Medicaid and Medicare because the greater preventative care will catch diseases like cancer earlier when the treatment won’t be as intensive or expensive. Offering greater access to healthcare will also make for a healthier and therefore more productive population. Those who have been unable to work due to medical problems will now be able to work. Costs from the uninsured who are forced to use the emergency rooms instead of a regular MD for non-emergency visits will no longer be passed on to everyone else. The irony of ironies in Dr. Jones argument is that he has always been paying for the health care of the uninsured, through the inflation on his own health insurance.

Does the good doctor know that the 2010 budget reduced the deficit by 13%?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-13/budget-deficit-in-u-s-narrows-13-to-90-5-billion-on-rising-tax-receipts.html

I encourage everyone to research the facts from a variety of sources and formulate their own opinion of the healthcare situation. Just be sure to base your analysis on facts, rather than on appearances like Dr. Jones.

Eric Rose
Athens, GA
9/17/2010
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 01:55 PM
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1. Here's the full story on the letter ...
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 01:56 PM
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2. A detailed, thorough slapdown.
Too bad the people who need to read it never will. Or they'll read it and simply call you a "socialist" and dismiss your points completely.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 02:11 PM
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3. Just sent this to the the Clarion Ledger

But its doubtful they will print my response to a LTTE that they originally printed a year ago. But I also posted it to my facebook which is where I had originally found the Dr. Jones meme. So those people who posted the Dr. Jones meme will at least see it... whether they read it or not is a different story, of course.

I suppose DU'ers could start posting my letter as a counter-meme... lol
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 02:19 PM
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4. well done...
ttt
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 02:42 PM
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5. Can't find a Facebook page for Dr. Jones or this meme or I would post it there. nt
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fishbulb703 Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-10 03:24 PM
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6. I get the point, but a friend's father in highschool didn't pay electricity, he had gold fronts.
Wasteful consumerism IS A HUGE PROBLEM for low income families. We shouldn't ignore it or make excuses.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 07:49 AM
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10. I've been thinking about this a lot....

and on one hand I agree. Well, actually, I completely agree about wasteful consumerism.

Yet the other side of the coin is also true. The wealthy are THE WORST about wasteful consumerism, yet they are not judged nearly as harshly as low-income persons.

I realize it's about personality responsibility, but I'm having a hard time judging someone on Medicare buying a six-pack of beer and cigarettes -- which indeed could be seen as wasteful -- yet not seeing even more waste and harm (to the environment, for example) with an individual buying a 747, or clearing acres of pristine property to build their SIXTH vacation home, or buying a $100k car, etc.

Inevitably both cases result in people not being able to pay for SOMETHING that's needed or required of them along the way (the rich person usually complains he/she can't pay ALL those taxes or can't give THAT much to those in need in their community), so I really don't see the difference.

I have a hard time believing we taxpayers aren't supporting the uber rich's lifestyle in some way, especially if they're executives in multinational corporations, so the same argument holds true about not wanting to support someone else's bad choices/habits via our tax dollars.

Where do we draw the line of wasteful consumerism and our judgment of it? Why is it always the "Welfare Queen" image that is alluded to by so many?

:shrug:

I'm not saying you're doing this at all, fishbulb. :) I'm just responding here to vent.

:hi:

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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 10:16 PM
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7. Heres the only reply that actually discussed the question:


Are you aware of the number of doctors in town that thrive simply because they don't accept patients on particular kinds of government health care...or something that effects them just as negatively: work...ers compensation cases, or certain types of medical insurance in general? Doctors aren't cheated by appearance, it's the form of payment, though there is a lot of "profiling" done when it comes to that and, for the most part, that can probably be backed with statistics.


This person's father is an orthopedic surgeon with a private practice. I can see a private practice wanting to turn patients away, because the government re-imbursement rates suck. That is a legitimate issue, but it has nothing to do with the appearances of the patients or their consumerist lifestyles. And Dr. Jones isn't a private practice, he's an E.R. Doctor so I would assume he works for the hospital.

I agree that conspicuous consumerism is a problem for low income folks. That was never a point of contention in my original argument. I think that the way in which Dr. Jones recognized and addressed the conspicuous consumerist lifestyle he saw in his patient was wrong though. Instead of discussing these issues with the patient herself, he chose to grandstand about the patient to the teabaggers. The patient is not the one who is receiving his message.

Also, the traits Dr. Jones recognizes as conspicuous consumerism are all traits that are unique to African American culture. He did not cite any instances of his Caucasian patients exhibiting consumerist lifestyles. Does anyone NOT see the coded racism there?

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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 07:52 AM
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11. I did. It had "welfare queen" written all over it....

with anyone over 40 understanding that to apply to people of color.

I blasted this post on FB over the weekend. The Facebaggers are reviving this welfare queen meme big time.


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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 10:51 PM
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8. I'm sure that Dr. Jones was not the patient's first choice for a doctor
Many lower income people don't have "choice" in their health care providers.

So they get stuck with the Dr. Joneses of this world.
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Erose999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 07:37 AM
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9. Exactly, most people without insurance have to go to urgent care facilities or emergency rooms where

they can't be turned away. Services that should be billed to private practice MD's end up billed to ER's at greater cost.

The thing about the new healthcare is that the people who will be on the Gov't dime are mostly people who have always been on the Gov't dime.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:36 PM
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15. What Should The Jail Sentence Be, Sweetie?
Do you know what a sumptuary law is?
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:34 PM
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14. And What A Special Little Fella You Are, Too....
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