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Zephie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 06:52 PM
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A brief summary of modern witchcraft practices
I have seen several posts around here asking if Christine O'Donnell's allegations of satanic altars and blood rites are factual, and if not, what exactly DO witches believe as opposed to these cries of "Satanism!"(tm) that are now being smeared many places. Unlike what the fear mongers in the religious right want America to believe about "witchcraft", modern Paganism is a very peaceful religion that promotes an ideal of equality between all living things. So in the spirit of religious understanding, I feel the need to present a few facts about Paganism.

1) Pagans do not worship Satan. We do not believe in him, nor do many of us believe in an outright Evil with a capital e. Good and evil are part of the cycle of life.

2) Pagans worship nature and many of us believe in ancient polytheistic Gods (Greek, Celtic, Roman and Egyptian are very common), while some prefer to worship our deities as just The God and Goddess, worshiping them as the collective powers of the universe.

3) Since there is no Satan worship, there are no Satanic Altars. While some pagans do have small home altars to their Gods, many prefer to worship outside in nature, where the elements of nature can speak to us more clearly. Places like parks and preserves are very comfortable worship places.

4) Animal sacrifice is not an accepted practice, and many Pagans are very concerned with animal rights and welfare.

5) Many Pagans identify themselves specifically as Wicca. Wiccans are bound by a religious law called the Wiccan Rede. The Rede is often used by the right to cause fear. It states "And harm none, do as ye will." Religious Right America loves to bring up "do as ye will" as a way to claim that there is no moral judgment in the Pagan community, and rarely if ever mentions that it is specifically forbidden to hurt others. The whole Rede is available for anyone who would like to read it here for the sake of not taking up too much room in this post.

6) We cannot raise the dead, fly on a broom, physically change into animals, and are not made of wood or any other non-human-part materials. This is common sense that has escaped many of those fearful of "Satanic Panic".

7) As the recent news has shown, many religions have sexual predators hiding in them. Pagans are often the target of allegations of bizarre sexual behavior by those who do not understand Paganism, either by sheer lack of knowledge or willful ignorance. While I cannot make a blanket statement about everyone's sexual choices, the Pagan community is very against any type of Sexual abuses be it under the guise of being "ritual" or as a domestic situation. We do not rape virgins, non-virgins, cats, dogs, aliens, or dishware for any reason, especially not religious ones.

8) There is no "Witch King" or "Witch Queen". As in any religion, a few bad apples turn up every once and awhile and claim to be some sort of Pagan royalty. This is not how it works. A religion which is very much founded in freedom of mind and spirit has no need of royalty. These are people with delusions of grandeur and are in need of help, and their publicity stunts are very worrisome to true believers, much like the recent situation in Gainesville were worrisome to true Christians.

I hope this has cleared up any questions that might have surfaced in the wake of these recent news articles about O'Donnell, and hopefully will address any that might come up if (when) she gives an inevitable statement about all the "horrible things" that went on while she "dabbled in witchcraft". Please send me a message if you have any unaddressed questions as I would be glad to answer them.

Thank you all for taking the time to read this.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 06:54 PM
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1. not dishware?
oh the humanity!!!!

:bounce:

thanks for posting this by the way

:hi:
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Zephie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 06:56 PM
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I guess it's all about preference...
My family doesn't partake in it at least, but if someone's into it and can find a willing, of age piece of cookery who is into that sort of thing, I'm not against it! :rofl:
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:27 AM
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17. hehe
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 06:55 PM
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2. GMTA!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9159451

Merry meet! Thanks for posting this, Zephie--we need all the positive press we can get. And welcome to DU! :toast:

Blessed Be!
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Zephie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 07:10 PM
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6. Merry meet to you too!
I didn't see that you had addressed this earlier and I'm sure we aren't the only Pagans today that felt the need to stand up and address this. I'm dreading the next few weeks in the media for us all.
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 07:35 PM
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10. Yeah, we're going to have to listen to a LOT of misinformation
And if there's one thing I can't stand, it's the conflating of witchcraft/paganism with satanism. Ugh. x(
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Zephie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 07:41 PM
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11. It couldn't have come at a worse time either
Mabon now and Samhain right around the corner... I'm very concerned that some religious nut might take it upon him or her self to stop the "Satanic" open rituals on their way soon around the country.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 06:56 PM
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3. Thanks for that post!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 06:56 PM
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4. Thank you, Zephie
For stating what should be well known, but is obscured by those who stand against truth.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 07:01 PM
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5. Many of the ideas of that topic come from persecutions over centuries.
Edited on Sat Sep-18-10 07:06 PM by RandomThoughts
I do not know much about that topic, but do know many falsehoods were attached to people based on ideas of what people in positions in organizations wanted, not what was being done.

One guy crushed by stones in the Salem witch trial died saying the Lords prayer, and 'more weight'. He refused to say he followed evil, like they were trying to get him to say.

Much of the concept of it being evil was to get people to confess that they followed evil when they did not. Literally people that did not follow evil were tortured to try and get them to say they followed evil. It was backwards, of coarse what would you expect from people that torture.

There are many people that use spiritual power for bad, and many that are deceived by it, people have to decide which groups are deceived and which are trying to do best.

And much of religion speaks of spiritual power, so it is not spiritual power that is bad, but what it is used for, or the ideology it is from.


My belief is God shows himself to different people in different ways, although I think rituals are traps, it is not for me to judge a group like that, but from the teachings I believe in to love them as brothers and sisters, just like every other person, and every other group. If they are wrong, love would help show that, if they have something to contribute to my learning, loving would help that also.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 07:17 PM
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7. I often don't understand your posts, RandomThoughts, but this is
beautiful and Right. :hi:
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 07:20 PM
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9. KnR. Thanks for the succinct summary.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 07:18 PM
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8. K&R - Very well done. And welcome to DU! nt
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Freetradesucks Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 10:16 PM
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16. Interesting....
I thought all religions were bad on DU. It's interesting how some are deemed as good, and others are not. Almost as if some people had prejudices.....
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 09:22 AM
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19. I don't think DUers view any religions as not good - just those who hide behind
a religion to further their agendas. Like the faux Christians who preach Love but hate everyone but themselves. And judge a LOT.

The Witchcraft hoopla about O'Donnell isn't a slam against the religion, but rather a slam against HER. If she had practiced the Craft and now is a squeaky clean Child of Jesus dissing those Possessed Pagans, that's where the criticism lies - her hydroxy.

I liken it to slamming the anti-gay advocates and making jokes about Rent Boy, when it's not Rent Boy we're criticizing, it's the Family Values anti-gay asshole who hired Rent Boy to "carry his luggage" on vacation. :eyes:

That's my sense of it anyway. I think on the whole DUers are very accepting of others' spiritual beliefs. We just get testy when someone doesn't agree with us politically. :7

:hi:

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 08:12 PM
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12. Oh good golly, she was just making stuff up

Crazy Christine is a pathological liar, and just made it up for a good "come to Jesus" story.
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Zephie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 08:20 PM
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14. Even if she IS making it up
the things I have listed are very often used in right wing arguments against the legitimacy and right of the practice. It once came out at my husbands current job that he was a Pagan and Christian tracts began showing up in his employee box. It eventually became so bad that he had to be moved to another job location. Pagans are faced with these questions every day and having someone in the limelight like O'Donnell who is sure to spout lies about witchcraft in every direction will only add fuel to the proverbial bonfire. Many Pagans are scared that the things happening to Muslims now will be happening to them next, so this is a very real issue for us... Even if she IS making up lies.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 08:17 PM
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13. Well, maybe YOU can't raise the dead,
but Viagra can work wonders! Or so I'm told.

Merry meet, Zephie, and welcome to DU. May you and yours have a blessed Mabon!
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-10 10:09 PM
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15. Very succinct
Thanks for posting.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 08:29 AM
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18. I think any religious tradition should offer
tote bags to propsective adherents.

I frankly am more likely to consider joining a religion if they offer a good tote bag.

= = =

Excellent and information post.

It suggests also that Christine O'Donnell might be even more mixed up about that first date than we thought she was already!
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-10 10:02 AM
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20. Merry Meet, Zephie!
Edited on Sun Sep-19-10 10:03 AM by laylah
(I love that greeting, although I am not Wiccan.)

I loved reading this, as well as MorningGlow's thread. It dawned on me, while reading both threads, that my daddy, born in 1916 and who possessed traits of 2, 3, 5, among others, during the 33 years I knew him, was a Pagan/Wiccan in his own right! I remember him in church once during my lifetime...he fidgeted worse than we 6 kids (Catholics, of course). He chose the timber, fishing holes, duck blind, etc. THOSE were his places of worship.

I passed your post onto family members (with a link to the thread). I have NO doubt I will soon be "beat up" by a few of them. Bring it on! :rofl:

Thank you SO much :hug:

Jenn

edited to correct
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