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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 04:58 AM
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NYT: "The New Unemployables: Workers Over 50
Edited on Mon Sep-20-10 05:01 AM by kevinbgoode
This story doesn't surprise me at all - in fact, I'm more surprised that people over 40 haven't been clamoring for stronger rules governing age discrimination in employment. Age discrimination is probably the most difficult case to prove, and for some reason, I've never heard any Democratic candidate (and we already know we'd NEVER hear a Republican) include a plank or a platform addressing this problem.

But what is interesting is that we are seeing a particular age group (and this was the same age group, if I recall correctly, which suffered terribly during the last big recession of the Bush I years). I knew plenty of people at the time who were permanently laid off and who searched a year for employment only to get a job which paid them about half of what they had earned in their previous career. The middle years are supposed to be the PEAK earning years, aren't they? I mean the ones where the mortgage is about paid off, the kids grown and in-or-past college, and workers are able to finally save more for retirement. Instead, the opposite is true. . .

But that does not seem to matter, not for her and not for a growing number of people in their 50s and 60s who desperately want or need to work to pay for retirement and who are starting to worry that they may be discarded from the work force — forever.

Since the economic collapse, there are not enough jobs being created for the population as a whole, much less for those in the twilight of their careers.

Of the 14.9 million unemployed, more than 2.2 million are 55 or older. Nearly half of them have been unemployed six months or longer, according to the Labor Department. The unemployment rate in the group — 7.3 percent — is at a record, more than double what it was at the beginning of the latest recession.

“There are these fears in the background, and they are suppressed,” said Ms. Reid, who is now selling some of her jewelry and clothes online and is late on some credit card payments. “I have had nightmares about becoming a bag lady,” she said. “It could happen to anyone. So many people are so close to it, and they don’t even realize it.”

Older workers who lose their jobs could pose a policy problem if they lose their ability to be self-sufficient. “That’s what we should be worrying about,” said Carl E. Van Horn, professor of public policy and director of the John J. Heldrich Center for Workforce Development at Rutgers University, “what it means to this class of the new unemployables, people who have been cast adrift at a very vulnerable part of their career and their life.”


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39265116/ns/us_news-the_new_york_times

Now I know their unemployment rate is lower than the overall unemployment rate. . .but then these are also generally people who have worked for decades and now live in fear of forced early retirement. Shouldn't there be better assistance for people in this situation?

Now any DUers in this situation (and I know there are some of us) - don't despair reading this story. I'm of the opinion that the more light shining on this issue, the better chance we have of coming up with more positive assistance and solutions. So keep that chin up and give us ideas about how to lobby to strengthen age discrimination laws or other services! Heck, I get concerned every May about my own contract not being renewed.


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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 04:59 AM
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1. Recommended.
Thank you for this.
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:25 AM
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2. Companies don't want to pay for their health insurance.
This is why insurance should not be tied to employers. It sets up a situation for age discrimination.
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DailyGrind51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 05:56 AM
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3. Being over 50 with a cancer history, I don't expect to get hired again if I lose my present job.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 06:58 AM
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4. The GOP agrees with you on that but I bet you have different ideas as to solutions
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 07:00 AM
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5. More complex than just that -job training is often easier with younger individuals
Edited on Mon Sep-20-10 07:02 AM by stray cat
Energy levels, tech saviness etc. Also unions require higher pay for more years of experience giving the edge to younger workers with sufficient experience to do the job but not so much that they can not be employed
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:26 AM
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22. How true.
I think that's the main reason why employers don't want to hire anyone over the age of 40; their insurance rates will go up. It's a perfect storm guaranteed to have anyone over 40 discriminated against. It's absolutely insane to couple access to health care -- unfortunately defined as unregulated, over-priced insurance -- coupled to one's job. Single-payer health care would take away most of the reason for discrimination, in addition to the "unimportant" bonus of saving lives.


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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 07:10 AM
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6. Need to have some incentives to encourage companies to hire older workers..
maybe a tax break. Also, maybe a program to help older workers start companies like with low interest loans. Something needs to be done. This is a serious crisis.
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 08:21 AM
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12. you really dont have much life experience do you?
just "getting it" are you. Obama isnt going to do squat, if this is what is happening now, what do you think your senior years will look like, cause aint nottin been gettin better for the past 35 years.

Elder crime is climbing by the day as are suicides

:hi:
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:07 AM
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13. I am near my senior years and I would bet I have tremendous more life experiences than you..
but I certainly cant compare to your arrogance and ignorance.
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:21 AM
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14. live the way I have had to for a few years, you will be surprised
of what you may be capable of. The fact you are so sure of my ignorance points back to guess what, your arrogance. Its just you post so many economy is getting better threads I am surprised you even give the issues of seniors and attention at all much less acknowledge that conditions are indeed dire.

You have had harsh words for me in the past whats good for the goose
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:26 AM
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15. I am also unemplyed but working now as consultant at half what I was making..
Sorry, but your insulting comments generated my harsh response. As far as my posts on the economy getting better... it is. Its not great but it beats a depression. Even you should understand that.
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:43 AM
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16. If you are consulting you have income, yes/no!?
I apologize if I insulted you, but implying a lack of first hand experience in an area is not an insult, I have learned that until you walk in someones shoes you cannot know what their experiences are.

Slight upticks in economic numbers do not = improvement, there are an equal number of down ticks which you discount. Its simply the expansion and contractions of an economy as large as ours.

Its still bad and edging every day toward worse, and if I can make that point to you I will try.

I hope your situation improves

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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 10:00 AM
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19. Yes, but its not likley to last very long..
FYI, even a slight uptick in the economy beats a major downtick.. no?

Also, you should never assume anyone's experience or credibility on this site... in either direction.

I have a PhD and have worked professionaly as both a biologist and software engineer. I have traveled all over the US and in many parts of Europe and Asia and Latin America. I have lived in midwest, the deep south and the east coast and Asia. I grew up on a farm and did very dirty work to make money. I was a Peace Corps volunteer in the Philippines and worked my way through school. I have worked non-stop for 30 years until just this year when I was laid off from a company that went bankrupt. I have seen and experienced alot... but dont immmediately dimiss opinions of others just because they are different from my own.
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 10:40 AM
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20. I am not going into a pissing match as you haven't calmed down yet
you are getting more defensive by the second, I didnt ask for your resume, I know you as the one who keeps telling us things are improving, thats your opinion and I think its bullshit. So Dr, drop it now ok, you have the last word because thats important to you. I try to show a little civility and you just hit harder, what a bully you are.

I, on the other hand dismiss opinions of others, I wouldn't be human if I didnt.

BUT THIS, this may be the single most laughable statement from you ever,

FYI, even a slight uptick in the economy beats a major downtick.. no? Really, not a very worldly statement from you Dr.

:crazy:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 07:43 AM
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7. this has been going on for years
it was masked by the media for years...but now they can`t hide it anymore or they decided to use it against the democrats.

the only place that hires older people like me is walmart
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 07:49 AM
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8. I have a year and a half to go before filling for SS.
I haven't had a real job since 2001. We survived because Donna was the primary wage earner. With my age(60) and my health problems my chances of getting hired at meaningful pay are pretty nonexistent.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 07:50 AM
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9. My 63 year old sister can't get a job since her company closed two years ago
She is ALSO a diabetic and needs a cane because of bad knees and can't afford the replacement surgery. She was told FLAT OUT a little over a year ago 'why waste our time sending us your resume" by a company who basically shoved her out the door when she showed up for an interview, even though they were 'enthused' over her experience during the phone pre-interview.


I guess the girl in HR didn't know the super-secret rule against hiring old people.


:banghead:
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 07:52 AM
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10. Another reason why seniority is important. It protects older workers
from this scenario.
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Lost4words Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 08:15 AM
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11. 56 jobless 2+ years CHECKING IN nt
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:44 AM
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17. Recommend
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Gaedel Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 09:51 AM
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18. Reminds me.....
Some years ago (80s), I was on a "screening committee" to sift through resumes and select a few for interview for a secretarial job. One of the guys on the committee said "here is one with 25 years of experience". The next guy read through the resume and said "no, she has six months of experience repeated fifty times". Unless you can show significant advancement in responsibilities every couple of years on your resume, you can get categorized that way.

I am retired now (71 years old), but that comes back to mind every time I see an "over 50" thread.
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sammytko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-20-10 11:17 AM
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21. did y'all read the whole story - this lady made so many mistakes
She took a year off or so to go on vacations to Turkey and Thailand and she spent her $180K savings on shopping and who knows what else. She also had to pay 80K of that 180 on early withdrawl penalties.

She should have dusted herself off and gotten right back on that horse! I know y'all are gonna yell at me, but I know plenty of people in their golden years that are still employed. They work at it.

Maybe she was depressed, who knows.
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