Airlines now require 72 hours notice before you fly.

[dixiegrrrrl]

AND your birth date, AND your "government issued ID"
AND this applies to small children also.
http://www.aa.com/i18n/utility/secureFlight.jsp?anchorLocation=DirectURL&title=secureflight
From AA Airlines web site:

"As a result of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) mandate,
beginning November 1, all passengers will be required to have Secure Flight Passenger Data (SFPD) in their reservation
at least 72 hours prior to departure.

This is the next phase in a program that was initiated by the TSA in 2009.

In compliance with this mandate you will be required to provide Secure Flight Passenger Data:

* To purchase any ticket on or after September 15, 2010
* To travel November 1, 2010, or later regardless of purchase date

You will be unable to travel without providing the following information.

* Full Name (first, middle and last name,
as it appears on the non-expired government-issued photo ID that you will use when traveling)
* Date of Birth
* Gender
* Redress Number (if applicable)

You will need to provide Secure Flight Passenger Data:

* If it was not provided when you made your reservation
* For reservations made prior to adding SFPD to your AAdvantage account profile
* For all future reservations "


http://www.aa.com/i18n/utility/secureFlight.jsp?anchorLocation=DirectURL&title=secureflight

[ThomasQED]

1. Hmm. What about people rushing to be by a hospital bedside?

x

[MountainLaurel]

3. Guess they're screwed

If they can't drive to where they're going.

[Dappleganger]

4. Exactly.

And business class flies employees out at the last minute all the time.

[pitohui]

51. anyone flying business class has their data in their frequent flyer account already

i just can't see where this would affect ANYBODY

non business people can't afford last minute air fares, which are several times the usual cost, so they're not flying anyway to rush to a bedside, they're driving or they're skyping it in

business people and regular flyers have already had this info in their profile for years

long into your account and check your profile, as i just did -- this is just a strange mass email because i got it too, but aa already has my info, has had it for many and many a year

[davidinalameda]

5. I'd hope that there are exceptions

like rushing to be with someone in the hospital

and I really don't see anything wrong with giving the airlines 72 hour notice

:shrug:

[derby378]

8. We shouldn't have to

The airlines exist to help us get from Point A to Point B. Intimidating us with threats of arrest and stories about the boogeyman won't get us to Point B any faster.

[obxhead]

45. We shouldn't have to.

That's why we created the damn TSA and 2 hour waits through security check points. Doubt very seriously the 72 hour notice will speed up those lines either.

[ThatsMyBarack]

65. Hammer--->NAIL!

:applause:

[Pavulon]

11. Yes, dont make a reservation. Walk in and pay

or call and book. This is being mis-interpreted.

[dixiegrrrrl]

14. World of difference between "giving them a 72 notice" to be courteous

and being forbidden to fly unless you reserve the ticket 3 three days in advance AND provide your birthdate as a
"privilege of flying".

What if you have a family member in a car accident, dying in a hospital across the country and you CANNOT fly there for 72 hours?

[PeaceNikki]

16. It's just plain not even true.

http://www.tsa.gov/approach/mythbusters/secure_flight.shtm


You can still travel withing 72 hours and this check was already performed by the airlines now it's just being done by the TSA.

[Historic NY]

30. thanks thats how crap starts..people don't check.

[ThomasQED]

37. Possibly not

But the info at the TSA site is not included in the original link to American Airlines.

And the TSA site says:

"Under the Secure Flight proposed rule, airlines would be required to send passenger data up to 72 hours in advance, when available. This does not mean passengers will be automatically rejected if they need to book a last minute flight."

Automatically. But still possibly rejected.

That's how I read it.

[PeaceNikki]

39. You can be "rejected" if you book your trip a year in advance. Nothing has changed.

This is specific to getting the data into the Secure Flight system.

Whatever, the fucking sky is falling and it's Obama's fault. :eyes:

[ThomasQED]

49. Roll your eyes all you want

That's sure to make me see things your way.

If nothing has changed, why is AA declaring that it has?

Maybe AA doesn't understand. This is what's on their Web site:

As a result of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) mandate, beginning November 1, all passengers will be required to have Secure Flight Passenger Data (SFPD) in their reservation at least 72 hours prior to departure. This is the next phase in a program that was initiated by the TSA in 2009.

Note the words "beginning," "must," "at least"...

Feel free to respond or not. I'm done with your superior attitude.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

52. It is for people in the SFPD program

[PeaceNikki]

62. Thank you, I will. And I will again tell you that you are misinterpreting and spreading lies.

And if THAT makes me superior... yay me!!

[ThomasQED]

63. "Spreading lies"??

I asked a question.

I still see the same copy on the AA site. Yes, it's possible AA is wrong, but I'm sure they have lawyers look at this stuff.

Telling me something again doesn't make you superior. Nothing makes you superior. I was referring to your nasty attitude. It just makes you nasty. If you want to convince people, maybe you should stamp your foot while you roll your eyes. Or even fall down on the ground and roll around.

And welcome to my ignore list. You are the only one on it!

[PeaceNikki]

64. lolz. AA is not wrong. You are.

[dixiegrrrrl]

7. or urgent business meetings?

Death in family?

BIRTHDATE?????To fly to a funeral???????

Notice how the noose ever so slowly tightens.

[Pavulon]

13. The internet, causing drama since DARPA days(nt)

[PeaceNikki]

15. It's not true

http://www.tsa.gov/approach/mythbusters/secure_flight.shtm

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

23. It's. Not. True. See above.

[VPStoltz]

43. They don't give a rats ass.

I had to rush home recently for my mom's passing.
I had been planning to visit and had a ticket so I changed my and my partner's tickets.
Did they care, yeah, about the additional $425 I paid!

[Matariki]

60. That was my thought. That's a heartless new law that will affect a LOT of people

[derby378]

2. More "change" we can believe in

We need Obama to clamp down on these power-hungry bureaucrats, not sit back and let them do their thing.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

33. IT'S NOT TRUE!! Read the rest of the thread!

[immune]

6. I'll go them one better,

rhey'll get 72 years notice from me. Ummm, that'd make me over a hundred years old the next time I kick my shoes off and pose nekkid for them. That'll teach 'em.

[dixiegrrrrl]

18. List of airports which want you to pose naked:

Airports which now have full body scanners:

DOMESTIC AIRPORTS:
· Albuquerque International Airport (ABQ)
· Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson Airport (ATL)
· Baltimore-Washington International (BWI)
· Boise Airport (BOI)
· Boston-Logan International (BOS)
· Brownsville-South Padre Island Airport (BRO)
· Buffalo-Niagara International (BUF)
· Charlotte Douglas International (CLT)
· Chicago-O'Hare Airport (ORD)
· Columbus International Airport (CMH)
· Corpus Christi International Airport (CRP)
· Dallas/Ft. Worth Airport (DFW)
· Denver International Airport (DEN)
· Detroit Metro Wayne County Airport (DTW)
· Harrisburg International Airport (HIA)
· Indianapolis International Airport (IND)
· Jacksonville International Airport (JAX)
· Laredo International Airport (LRD)
· Las Vegas-McCarran Airport (LAS)
· Los Angeles International Airport (LAX)
· McAllen-Miller International Airport (MFE)
· Memphis International Airport (MEM)
· Miami International Airport (MIA)
· Milwaukee Mitchell Airport (MKE)
· Nashville International AIrport (BNA)
· Phoenix Sky Harbor (PHX)
· Pittsburgh International Airport (PIT)
· Providence-T.F. Green International (PVD)
· Raleigh-Durham International Airport (RDU)
· Richmond International Airport (RIC)
· Rochester International Airport (RST)
· Salt Lake City International Airport (SLC)
· San Diego International Airport (SAN)
· San Francisco International Airport (SFO)
· Tampa International Airport (TPA)
· Tulsa International Airport (TUL)
· Valley International Airport (HRL)
· Washington DC's Reagan Airport (DCA)

AIRPORTS IN OTHER COUNTRIES:
· Amsterdam-Schipol Airport (AMS)
· Gimhae/Busan International (PUS)
· Gimpo/Seoul International (GMP)
· Jeju International (CJU)
· London-Heathrow (LHR)
· Manchester Airport (MAN)
· Moscow-Sheremetyevo International (SVO)
· Paris-Charles de Gaulle (CDG)
· Regina International Airport (YQR)
· Rome-Leonardo da Vinci/Fiumicino (FCO)
· Toronto Pearson International (YYZ)
· Tokyo-Narita International (NRT) *Trial period
· Vancouver International (YVR)

[immune]

19. I like driving anyway.

Gave up flying in '95.

And I decided getting naked for strangers wasn't my cup of tea some time before that.

[dflprincess]

42. I flew out of Nashville last Wednesday

same old metal detectors they've always had. I didn't see anything about full body scans.

[Pavulon]

9. Before yall get all stupid...

this only applies to certain types of tickets. You can still walk into an airport and pay $9000 for an overpriced business class seat from CLT to Shanghai the day you intend to fly.

Obviously this is not just AA.

http://www.americanairlines.be/intl/be/agency/agencySupport/usEntry_agency.jsp?v_locale=en_US&v_mobileUAFlag=AA

[Individualist]

10. This made me think of Milton Mayer's book, "They Thought They Were Free".

[PeaceNikki]

12. Busted

http://www.tsa.gov/approach/mythbusters/secure_flight.shtm

[MajorChode]

17. That's not what it means

What they are saying (poorly) is if you have a reservation that departs after Nov 1st, you must put the SFPD information in your existing reservation at least 72 hours in advance.

Q: Can I fly the same day I buy a ticket since I'm required to have SFPD information in my reservation 72 hours prior to departure?
A: Yes, we will collect and transmit the SFPD to the Department of Homeland Security when we ticket your reservation.

http://www.aa.com/i18n/utility/FAQs/travelInformation_FAQ.jsp#Secure Flight

[Initech]

20. They were swabbing hands at DIA yesterday.

That one gets a big :wtf: from me.

[Pavulon]

21. Just like they were 6 years ago. This is BS.. Snopes worthy(nt)

[Initech]

26. This is *NOT* BS. I flew through Denver yesterday. They swabbed my hand while I was in line.

I am not, repeat not making this shit up.

[Pavulon]

40. Yes they swabbed me in portland 6 years ago

the 72 hour event is a lie.

[Initech]

44. It is *NOT* a lie. The security guard was bragging about the new equipment they got to play with.

[Pavulon]

48. No the 72 hour no fly lie is just that, they have been swabbing

for years and scanning for about two. Sorry for the confusion i am NOT calling you a liar.

[Lint Head]

22. I hope the genius that thought has to make an emergency overnight flight.

This country is absolutely going to hell in a hand basket!

[PeaceNikki]

24. It's. Not. True.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

25. It's. Not. True. See above.

[BadgerKid]

27. Hmmm...Registered Traveler programs and US passports

just might undergo a growth phase. That would be unfortunate, i.e., Ihre Papiere, bitte!

[Ken Burch]

28. self-delete

n/t.

[PeaceNikki]

29. Um.... cuz it's a MYTH.

[dixiegrrrrl]

32. Pls. help unconfuse me.

This is written on the American Airlines page, the one I linked to.
I do not intentionally post "myths".

Where is the myth?

[tammywammy]

34. The myth is that you have to book (or give notice) 72 hours in advance to fly

http://www.tsa.gov/approach/mythbusters/secure_flight.shtm

Myth

Under the proposed Secure Flight rule, I will not be issued a boarding pass unless I have booked my flight at least 72 hours in advance.

Buster

Under the Secure Flight proposed rule, airlines would be required to send passenger data up to 72 hours in advance, when available. This does not mean passengers will be automatically rejected if they need to book a last minute flight.

The Secure Flight system is designed to accommodate the changing needs of the flying public, without compromising security. TSA will have the ability to vet all passenger data provided against the No-Fly list and make boarding pass determinations up until the time a flight leaves the gate.

[PeaceNikki]

35. It says

"Secure Flight Passenger Data (SFPD) in their reservation at least 72 hours prior to departure."

As Major Choad explained: "What they are saying (poorly) is if you have a reservation that departs after Nov 1st, you must put the SFPD information in your existing reservation at least 72 hours in advance."

Go here: http://www.tsa.gov/approach/mythbusters/secure_flight.shtm

[pitohui]

55. it's a silly email aa sent out yesterday or the day before however

if you read the thread thru you will see that it is just not an issue

i don't grok why aa sent the email or posted this crap on their page, they have all this info anyway but of course i obediently double checked my account to be sure...

[tammywammy]

31. Oh that reminds me, I need to change someone's flights in the morning

He's flying out to Turkey a week later than originally planned.

[Rabrrrrrr]

36. Just as bullshit as the email I got today saying the ACLU wants to remove crosses from Arlington.

Seriously, even stuff that liberals should be aghast at should still be vetted to make sure it's actually true before going into histrionics and spreading disinformation all over the goddamn place.

[KittyWampus]

47. This is DU dammit! There will be histrionics daily!

[Rabrrrrrr]

61. They certainly proved it in this thread!

:rofl:

Fucking hell.

[scheming daemons]

38. Posting false or misleading stories should not be allowed here.

[dixiegrrrrl]

41. I agree, depnding on intention.

Unfortunately, the American Airlines web page did NOT state their information was false.
Misleading, apparently, but not false.
And as several other people have noted, it is poorly worded and confusing as to what they mean.
When the page says you have to provide information 72 hours in advance of a reservation, I assume they mean it.

[BlueJazz]

46. Oh No.....No..We're all going to die. ...somewhere between now and 110 years from now.

[pitohui]

50. this is just so not a big deal

if you pay by credit card, they've had this information for years, i was puzzled to get the email you quote, so i logged into aa and checked, yeppers, they have all that information (name, gender, birthdate), have had it for this entire century and longer

it has been done for over a decade for "revenue protection" -- if i buy a ticket and later can't fly, the ID checker makes sure i can't get any money back by selling the ticket to a third party who can use it to fly (routine thing to do in the 1980s and earlier, because REFUNDABLE tickets can be thousands of dollars so all sane people buy NONrefundable tickets)

all the TSA has done is make it a regulation, BUT it was a de facto requirement to fly already that they had to know who you were

this is not about security, this is to protect the airlines' bottom line, pure and simple

knowing or not knowing my birthdate does NOT help security, but it DOES keep me from being able to give my ticket to my child of the same name to use if i can't fly (i know a man who used to do this routinely, fly on his father's tickets when his dad got busy and couldn't take the trip)

[PeaceNikki]

53. The OP is 100% wrong

I don't think it was a deliberate attempt to spread misinformation but it is totally untrue.... as has been shown repeatedly throughout this thread.

[pitohui]

57. it's wrong but aa was the source of the wrong not the OP

,

[PeaceNikki]

59. The source is accurate. The OP is the wrong interpretation of it.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

54. This is Incorrect (read the link)

SFPD is a program for frequent fliers to establish their identity so they will have less security hassle on each trip.

The link refers to TSA rules FOR THAT PROGRAM.

It does not refer to all flights.

[pitohui]

56. the aa email is the source of the confusion

the aa email which i also received makes it sound like it refers to all fliers for all flights on american airlines

i knew it was bullshit too, i'm a frequent flyer, but even i was startled enough to double check my account...

aa should not have sent out the silly email, it's hardly the OP's fault that american airlines had an outbreak of silly

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

58. fair enough. I toned down the language

in deference to the OP