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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:41 AM
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DN! John le Carré: "The United States of America Has Gone Mad"
AMY GOODMAN: British novelist John le Carré. I spoke to him in London on Sunday. While he’s famous for his spy novels, he wrote a widely read antiwar essay in 2003 just before the US invasion of Iraq. It’s called "The United States of America Has Gone Mad." This is an excerpt.

JOHN LE CARRÉ: America has entered one of its periods of historical madness, but this is the worst I can remember: worse than McCarthyism, worse than the Bay of Pigs and in the long term potentially more disastrous than the Vietnam War.

The reaction to 9/11 is beyond anything Osama bin Laden could have hoped for in his nastiest dreams. As in McCarthy times, the freedoms that have made America the envy of the world are being systematically eroded. The combination of compliant US media and vested corporate interests is once more ensuring that a debate that should be ringing out in every town square is confined to the loftier columns of the East Coast press.

The imminent war was planned years before bin Laden struck, but it was he who made it possible. Without bin Laden, the Bush junta would still be trying to explain such tricky matters as how it came to be elected in the first place; Enron; its shameless favouring of the already-too-rich; its reckless disregard for the world’s poor, the ecology and a raft of unilaterally abrogated international treaties. They might also have to be telling us why they support Israel in its continuing disregard for UN resolutions.

But bin Laden conveniently swept all that under the carpet. The Bushies are riding high. Now 88 per cent of Americans want the war, we are told. The US defence budget has been raised by another $60 billion to around $360 billion. A splendid new generation of nuclear weapons is in the pipeline, so we can all breathe easy. Quite what war 88 per cent of Americans think they are supporting is a lot less clear. A war for how long, please? At what cost in American lives? At what cost to the American taxpayer’s pocket? At what cost—because most of those 88 per cent are thoroughly decent and humane people—in Iraqi lives?

How Bush and his junta succeeded in deflecting America’s anger from bin Laden to Saddam Hussein is one of the great public relations conjuring tricks of history. But they swung it. A recent poll tells us that one in two Americans now believe Saddam was responsible for the attack on the World Trade Centre. But the American public is not merely being misled. It is being browbeaten and kept in a state of ignorance and fear. The carefully orchestrated neurosis should carry Bush and his fellow conspirators nicely into the next election.

Those who are not with Mr Bush are against him. Worse, they are with the enemy. Which is odd, because I’m dead against Bush, but I would love to see Saddam’s downfall—just not on Bush’s terms and not by his methods. And not under the banner of such outrageous hypocrisy.

The religious cant that will send American troops into battle is perhaps the most sickening aspect of this surreal war-to-be. Bush has an arm-lock on God. And God has very particular political opinions. God appointed America to save the world in any way that suits America. God appointed Israel to be the nexus of America’s Middle Eastern policy, and anyone who wants to mess with that idea is a) anti-Semitic, b) anti-American, c) with the enemy, and d) a terrorist. <...>

What is at stake is not an imminent military or terrorist threat, but the economic imperative of US growth. What is at stake is America’s need to demonstrate its military power to all of us—to Europe and Russia and China, and poor mad little North Korea, as well as the Middle East; to show who rules America at home, and who is to be ruled by America abroad.

The most charitable interpretation of Tony Blair’s part in all of this is that he believed that, by riding the tiger, he could steer it. He can’t. Instead, he gave it a phoney legitimacy, and a smooth voice. Now I fear, the same tiger has him penned into a corner, and he can’t get out.

It is utterly laughable that, at a time when Blair has talked himself against the ropes, neither of Britain’s opposition leaders can lay a glove on him. But that’s Britain’s tragedy, as it is America’s: as our Governments spin, lie and lose their credibility, the electorate simply shrugs and looks the other way. <...>

I cringe when I hear my Prime Minister lend his head prefect’s sophistries to this colonialist adventure. His very real anxieties about terror are shared by all sane men. What he can’t explain is how he reconciles a global assault on al-Qaeda with a territorial assault on Iraq. We are in this war, if it takes place, to secure the fig leaf of our special relationship, to grab our share of the oil pot, and because, after all the public hand-holding in Washington and Camp David, Blair has to show up at the altar.

"But will we win, Daddy?"

"Of course, child. It will all be over while you’re still in bed."

"Why?"

"Because otherwise Mr Bush’s voters will get terribly impatient and may decide not to vote for him."

"But will people be killed, Daddy?"

"Nobody you know, darling. Just foreign people."

"Can I watch it on television?"

"Only if Mr Bush says you can."

"And afterwards, will everything be normal again? Nobody will do anything horrid any more?"

"Hush child, and go to sleep."

Last Friday a friend of mine in California drove to his local supermarket with a sticker on his car saying: "Peace is also Patriotic". It was gone by the time he’d finished shopping.


AMY GOODMAN: British novelist John le Carré reading from his 2003 essay "America Has Gone Mad." John le Carré is the pen name for David Cornwell. His new book, Our Kind of Traitor, is coming out soon. We’ll be broadcasting the full interview with le Carré in the coming days.

From: http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/20/john_le_carr_the_united_states (video, audio and transcript)

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The full text of the 2003 observations and diagnosis are at: http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0115-01.htm
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:02 AM
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1. My daughter was 13 years old. She was with her dad and I and 10,000s during the protests
in San Francisco before the invasion the days that we shut down downtown. She was prepared to be arrested with a copy of her birth certificate and her passport in her pocket. The night of the invasion she knelt in front of me and hugged my knees and sobbed.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:16 AM
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2. No, none of us have fully recovered from that bleak, awful time leading up to the invasion of Iraq
Le Carre understands more about how the permanent secret government that actually runs the US (and the UK) than anyone else alive. He's certainly the best writer on politics alive today.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:20 AM
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3. Millions protested around the world. The invasion was an abomination. Our occupation
continues to be.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:26 AM
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4. And would not your posting name associating light with an animal.
Edited on Tue Sep-21-10 03:29 AM by RandomThoughts
Be the same thing?

:shrug:
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:38 AM
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6. Que? I get my name from this...
http://www.amazon.com/Luminous-Animals-Other-Drawings-Kliban/dp/0140068619

An illustrated book by B. Kliban famous for his cats in high top sneakers.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:40 AM
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7. I was not saying your name was the same thing.
I was trying to say that judgment is made far to often for bias reason.

Although I agree that it was wrong action at the wrong time, what you called it is a strong comment that creates many problems, when applied without accuracy, as it often is.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:43 AM
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9. Nope. It was a vile action propaganized through lies that has caused untold human misery.
In short, an abomination.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:51 AM
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11. Maybe so, maybe not.
Edited on Tue Sep-21-10 03:56 AM by RandomThoughts
I disagree with it, but I also know that people been running around using that description for the sole reason that once they attach it they don't have to think about it. Once that meaning is attached they can claim it is based on divine judgment as bad.

And people use that to no longer thing and feel what is right and wrong once they feel they can make that attachment.

You did explain why you think that so you are thinking about why it is wrong, but by attaching such a decree, you don't say it is wrong by your judgment, but by what you say is higher judgment.


Seen people do that before.


So maybe it is
a bom eye nation.

:shrug:
in that it removes the meaning. Then again, I never liked Ra representations anyways, but just a thought.

Note the meaning of bom is explained in "The Last Boy Scout"



Or to be more clear, in my view, no matter what you or I think as being wrong done by people, it is for best systems of social justice to decided that. Not claiming divine authority to make that decision.


It has nothing to do with you, just the use of that labeling is so over used, and leads to many bad things by flawed judgment of people, not through best systems of justice.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:58 AM
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12. Higher judgment? I'm an atheist.
My use of the word, abomination, has nothing to do with any higher judgment but is grounded here, on earth.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:17 AM
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13. Words mean different things to different people.
Again, not about you.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:34 PM
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16. And I remember being here on DU where we signed Petition by Move On to deliver to the United Nations
to try to stop the Invasion. There were thousands of signatures and I remember being online here at 2:00 a.m. when the boxes were being filled to deliver. Nothing ever came of it. It was a huge effort and to think about it now it all seems like a dream. But, it really happened.

We were all glued to the eloquent Kennedy-Byrd debates where they tried to whip up support to stop the war by debating the Key Repugs. Senator Byrd's speeches were running threads here on DU at the time, with so many DU'ers participating.

Way back in time...
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:37 AM
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5. Indeed, Le Carre describes that time and reality absolutely accurately (nt)
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:43 AM
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8. Yes, that was then and now the shortest and most concise
description and tutorial on 'how things really work' I've seen.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:44 AM
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10. K & R nt
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:14 PM
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14. Kick for the daytimers (nt).
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:22 PM
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15. McCarthyism was a blip on a radar screen compared to this mess.
Edited on Tue Sep-21-10 03:23 PM by TexasObserver
I cannot believe the US of A has taken this nine year descent into madness.

We'll show our enemies! We'll ruin everything that makes us great! We'll make air travel a nightmare! We'll militarize our police! We'll make enemies of the state anyone who questions any excess our government commits. We'll make people show papers any time asked by police! We'll trample constitutional rights 200+ years in the making!

The Patriot Act should have been called The Treason and Sedition Act, because it betrays the key elements of this country.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 06:54 PM
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17. But still riotously crazy.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:11 PM
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18. Kick for Remembering an Important Time in American History...
:kick:
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:15 PM
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19. To be honest I was shocked at how some so easily fell into the fear mode considering
their personal views and what I once assumed extreme intelligence regarding the political games politicians play in order to reap ill gotten gains from the fallen, history apparently was ignored while people hunkered down trembling and obeyed..thankfully I never did and found myself on the receiving end of many an angry lecture on my ignorance...

To date I have yet to hear an appology from any of them that I was right all along..
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:57 PM
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20. Amen...same here.
K&R
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 10:59 PM
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21. You should ask them for one and see what they say.
That would be verrrry interesting.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:20 AM
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23. I have from some, well not perhaps asked for an apology but asked
that they say out loud the truth this time and not spin..from a few you know what they began saying out loud? Parroting of more talking points regarding the Democratic party in office specifically the new President being suspect..the fear you see has obviously not gone away, those that so easily allowed themselves once to be led down a path of fear have now been given a new target to fear...sans...the tea party was born...
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:52 PM
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25. *sigh*
Depressing.

Sometimes it's hard to have any hope for the future of this country.
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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:36 PM
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26. Greed vs Fear
People often think greed is an overwhelming factor in most people's actions but there is ample evidence that fear is a greater
motivator in many cases.
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PoliticAverse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 11:45 PM
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22. "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders"
Edited on Tue Sep-21-10 11:50 PM by PoliticAverse
Hermann Goering:

"Why, of course, the people don't want war."
"Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a
war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to
his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want
war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor for
that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it
is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is
always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a
democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a
communist dictatorship."
...
"voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding
of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they
are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism
and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.asp


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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:25 AM
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24. K&R
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