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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:54 PM
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Angle Suggests Free Market Could Solve Pre-Existing Conditions Coverage
Nevada Republican Senatorial candidate Sharron Angle suggested on Monday that she'd prefer free-market remedies to a legislative mandate that insurance companies be required to cover people with pre-existing conditions.

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And, yet, the White House believes it's the 'professional left' who supported a public option who needs drug testing.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:56 PM
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1. Sure, because that has worked so well so far.
Of course, maybe she means that in a free market system, the ones with pre-existing conditions will just die off. That sounds more like her.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:56 PM
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2. Exactly, survival of the fittest...
or, what she and others really mean, survival of the richest.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:02 PM
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9. But, you see, the richest ARE the fittest. That's Calvinism in
action. Your wealth is evidence that God is smiling on you and that you're one of the chosen ones predestined for salvation. It's so simple, if you just look at it. :sarcasm:
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:57 PM
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4. Right, in a free market system, if you can't pay for health care, you don't get it.
Problem solved. :sarcasm:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:59 PM
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7. in a free market system, if you need health care, you don't get it.
They want people who pay but don't use the service.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:27 PM
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21. Right - fewer operating expenses lead directly to bigger bonuses.
Edited on Tue Sep-21-10 03:27 PM by closeupready
And higher profits.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:57 PM
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3. Stupid ass, if the free market worked, we'd all be covered
I hate wishing ill on people, but I do wish these smug believers in the invisible hand fairy would all get seriously ill and find out exactly what happens when the free market settles everything.

My guess is that they wouldn't like being written off any more than I do.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:58 PM
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5. those with preexisting conditions go bankrupt and die. problem solved.
the free market = dog eat dog, the war of all against all.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:41 PM
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24. And their families go homeless when they die.
I have seen it happen.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 02:59 PM
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6. This is why I'm calling her Sharron "Obtuse" Angle
:dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:00 PM
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8. I love that story
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:02 PM
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10. The public option has nothing to do with pre-existing conditions.
Edited on Tue Sep-21-10 03:02 PM by BzaDem
If you had a public option but no regulation banning pre-existing condition consideration, the public option would get all those with conditions, and premiums for the public option would be 10 times what they would be in the private market. The public option would have been useful in lowering costs in general (or at least getting started in doing so), but not more so for people with pre-existing conditions.

My point is that some on the left wanted the current bill to die because it didn't have the public option. These people (while having different views than Sharon Angle) actually would have preferred the same outcome that Sharon Angle wants (let the "free market" deal with the problem) over the bill that passed.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:08 PM
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13. I didn't say it did. I just think the WH might find need to focus their intervention efforts on...
some people who are showing clear signs of impairment and not those who advocated for effective solutions to our problems. And your analogy is fail.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:14 PM
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16. They weren't focusing on all people who supported a public option. They were focusing on people who
didn't think HCR was a good bill worth passing BECAUSE it didn't have a public option.

If you pretend they were attacking all public option supporters, your argument works. But the former is not true, so your argument is a straw man.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:18 PM
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18. Whatever. You can say you're only attacking the Catholics who still eat fish on Fridays...
but chances are a lot of Catholics who eat meat on Fridays will be offended, too.

Their messaging is dumbassness. They spent a week defending this attack and 2 weeks later we see stories of the WH trying to get the liberals in line. Duh!
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:23 PM
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20. I would say their problem was wasting a week "defending" themselves when nothing they said needed to
be defended (or wasn't obvious). But whatever.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:38 PM
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22. Yes, but you aren't one of those they needed to convince.
They've done themselves no favors with those who are considering sitting out the elections.

Here's the deal: The 'centrist' dems need no convincing-they got just what they wanted. The right leaning independents aren't going to vote for them no matter how much liberal bashing and sucking up to the right they do.

Their targets are off and their messaging has been dumbass. They insult the dog doo-doo out of the left and sit around scratching their heads wondering why liberals aren't enthused. For a bunch of allegedly smart guys....
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:05 PM
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11. There is no such thing as 'Free Market' in health care... and that's the problem
For years we have operated 'as if' it does operate under those principles...

In fact, choice has never been built into the system and that's the problem with ANY market solution... including Obamacare...

Only single payer is going to work. The sooner we get there, the easier the transition is going to be.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:07 PM
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12. Is that the healthcare for chickens person?
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:09 PM
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14. No, it's the nut job who defeated the chickens for checkups person. Our state is a zoo. nt
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:13 PM
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15. OH boy yeah we see how the free market worked for
the US and their jobs. And how it is working for the world buying our goods instead of us importing the junk they make and buying it. Not one of he countries that flood our country with products buy anything we make here.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:15 PM
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17. She just likes to say 'Free Market'.
Edited on Tue Sep-21-10 03:15 PM by Iggo
It's one of her buzz words. Pay no attention.

(I spel gud)
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:19 PM
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19. Lol! nt
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:41 PM
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23. It's obvious - it's all in God's hands, therefore if you have a
preexisting condition you'll either get better or die, all on your own. No market solution needed.
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