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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:17 PM
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"Eel-Like Fish"
Hi, I'm going to need a LOT more information than that simple phrase before I put anything even somewhat involved with it into my face!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100920/ap_on_bi_ge/us_modified_salmon

By MARY CLARE JALONICK, Associated Press Writer Mary Clare Jalonick, Associated Press Writer – Mon Sep 20, 7:48 pm ET

WASHINGTON – Genetically engineered salmon that grows twice as fast as the conventional fish appears to be safe, an advisory committee told the Food and Drug Administration Monday...AquaBounty has added a growth hormone from a Chinook salmon that allows the fish to produce growth hormone all year long. The engineers were able to keep the hormone active by using another gene from an eel-like fish called an ocean pout that acts like an on switch for the hormone, according to the company.


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Didn't Dead Milkmen do a song, "Eel-Like Fish"? Or was that "Punk Rock Girl"? I get confused. I'm fairly certain Eel-Like Fish has appeared as a extra in countless television dramas, but I can't find any information at IMDB. Was that Eel-Like Fish with Elvis at the gas station last night?
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:23 PM
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1. I look forward to eating the Salmon... n/t
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:29 PM
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5. I'm sure that like myself, you have pondered the concept of sushi 5" across
but I like my unagi separate from my sake...
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:13 PM
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13. I don't buy the whole evil Genetically modified food argument.
We eat a lot of Salmon when we can get it.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:25 PM
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2. Here in Minnesota we have a festival to celebrate the eelpout.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:29 PM
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3. A pout is a type of cod. It's just a name.
In Minnesota and elsewhere, there is a freshwater cod that's called an eelpout.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:23 PM
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15. But this is not the freshwater 'eelpout' that is better called the burbot
Cod: Order Gadiformes; Ocean Pout: Order Perciformes

http://www.bio.umass.edu/biology/kunkel/fish/Kunkel_Fish_LifeList.html

Burbot - freshwater member of the cod family: http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/fish/burbot.html
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:29 PM
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4. I don't want my kids eating anything
where the growth hormone switch has been flipped to 'constant'.

Wasn't it genetic experimentation that screwed us over with the killer bees?
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:32 PM
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7. I believe they didn't get to even attempt anything; they just imported hives
and some got free...THEN they mated with the local honeybees.

Doesn't get the perpetrators off the hook, though.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:42 PM
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10. "Killer Bees" resulted from efforts in Brazil to produce a more robust honey bee
I think one that could handle heat better or withstand local predators. They imported African honey bees which have not been domesticated because of their aggressive nature and attempted cross breeding them with European honey bees, the nice mild mannered bees most commonly used for crop pollination and honey production all over the world. The bee researchers had not been able to get the desired traits from their efforts - the hybrid bees retained the aggressive nature of their African ancestors and did not produce more honey than their African ancestors.

Then the hybrid or "Africanized" bees got loose. For years, the hope was that as the populations moved northwards, they would continue to cross with the non-native European honey bees and achieve the traits that had been desired from the original research program. Instead, it seems that when Africanized bees move into a territory, they kill off the European honey bee queens and if their queens do breed with European honey bee males, the European traits are not dominant.

No genetic manipulation, just old fashioned hybridization that failed and a poor effort at keeping their research subjects in captivity.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 07:54 PM
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18. Gotcha, thanks.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:33 PM
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8. Yes, and look what happened...



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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:28 PM
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16. Those were hybrid bees.
And it's proof positive that all hybrid organisms are evil and should be destroyed for the sake of the children.

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:31 PM
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6. I'd normally be the first one to eat this, but I have issues with the way they plan on raising it.
Edited on Tue Sep-21-10 03:32 PM by Ian David
After listening to a story on NPR about this, the whole thing seems fishy.

1) It's going to be raised within nets-- from which escape is possible.
2) Even though the eggs are supposed to be sterile, the manufacturer says about 5% of the offspring may be able to reproduce in the wild, if they escape.
3) Salmon eat smaller fish. I'd rather eat a farmed fish that eats lower on the foodchain.
4) Food sources suited to the local environment would be better than trying to shoe-horn salmon farms into every local economy they can.

When they start breeding GMO Tilapia or Catfish, raised in closed ponds, I'll be the first one to put one on my plate. I just think this is the wrong fish, raised the wrong way, in the wrong places.

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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:36 PM
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9. Very good summation.
Wisdom is to be able to resist doing something, even when you can, and especially when you already know that there is likely to be blowback.

I've nothing against eel or the eelpout, just greedy misuse. Although of course cinema is not truth, this is the same sort of problem faced in "Jurassic Park". Just don't screw with it. Some amount of caution might be nice, even from the sticking points they've already made :/
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:42 PM
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11. I'd rather eat GMO beef, because cows generally don't escape into the environment to breed. n/t
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 03:55 PM
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12. The Allergy threat could be very real, but I don't think we need to go Luddite over this
Farmers have been genetically engineering species (through selection) for 1000's of years.

And we know enough about genetics to know that even those changes are not necessarily incremental.

Most Salmon is already farm-raised, selected and bred for genetic qualities.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:17 PM
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14. Ocean pout is a commercial fish
http://www.nefsc.noaa.gov/sos/spsyn/og/pout/

Distribution, Biology and Management

The ocean pout, Zoarces americanus, is a demersal eel-like species found in the Northwest Atlantic from Labrador to Delaware. In US waters, ocean pout are assessed as a unit stock from Gulf of Maine/Cape Cod Bay south to Delaware (Figure 17.1).

Stock identification studies suggest the existence of two stocks: one occupying the Bay of Fundy-northern Gulf of Maine region east of Cape Elizabeth, and a second stock ranging from Gulf of Maine/Cape Cod Bay south to Delaware (Olsen and Merriman, 1946). The southern stock is characterized by faster growth rates, and to date has supported the commercial fishery.

Ocean pout may attain lengths up to 98 cm (39 in.) and weights of 5.3 kg (14.2 lb). Ocean pout prefer depths of 15 to 80 m (8 to 44 fm.) and temperatures of 6° to 7° C (43° to 45° F). Tagging studies and NEFSC bottom trawl survey data indicate that ocean pout do not undertake extensive migrations, but rather move seasonally to different substrates (Bigelow and Schroeder 1953). During this period, ocean pout are not available to commercial fishing operations. Typically, catches increase when adults return to their feeding grounds in late autumn and winter. The diet consists primarily of invertebrates, with fish being only a minor component (Stemile et al. 1999). Median length at maturity for females was 26.2 cm and 31.3 cm for the Gulf of Maine area and Southern New England area, respectively, with a possible three-year egg development period (O’Brien et al. 1993). Mercer et al. (1993) and Yao and Crim (1995) indicate that ocean pout eggs are internally fertilized.
United States commercial fisheries for ocean pout are managed under the New England Fishery Management Council's Northeast Multispecies Fishery Management Plan (FMP). Under this FMP, ocean pout are included in a complex of 15 groundfish species managed by time/area closures, gear restrictions, minimum size limits, and, since 1994, by direct effort controls including a moratorium on permits and days-at-sea restrictions. The goal of the management program is to reduce fishing mortality to allow stocks within the complex to rebuild above minimum biomass thresholds, and to attain and remain at or near target biomass levels. The information provided herein reflects the results of the most recent peer-reviewed assessment for ocean pout (Wigley and Col, 2005).

The Fishery

Commercial interest in ocean pout has waxed and waned. Ocean pout were marketed as a food fish during World War II, and landings peaked at 2,000 mt in 1944. However, an outbreak of a protozoan parasite that caused lesions on ocean pout eliminated consumer demand for this species. From 1964 to 1974, an industrial fishery developed, and nominal catches by the U.S. fleet averaged 4,700 mt. Distant-water fleets began harvesting ocean pout in large quantities in 1966, and total nominal catches peaked at 27,000 mt in 1969 (Figure 17.2 ). Foreign catches declined substantially afterward, and none have been reported since 1974.
Figure 17.2

Commercial fisheries are conducted year round although peak activity occurs during the late winter and early summer. Otter trawl is the primary gear used. United States landings declined to an average of 600 mt annually during 1975 to 1983. Catches increased in 1984 and 1985 to 1,300 mt and 1,500 mt respectively, due to the development of a small directed fishery in Cape Cod Bay supplying the fresh fillet market. Landings have declined more or less continually since 1987. In recent years, landings from the southern New England/Mid-Atlantic area have continued to dominate the catch, reversing landing patterns observed in 1986-1987, when the Cape Cod Bay fishery was dominant. The shift in landings is attributed to the changes in management (gear) regulations. Total commercial landings in 2005 were 3.6 mt, a record low in the time series (Table 17.1).

Ocean pout discarding occurs in the commercial fishery primarily with otter trawl, longline and lobster pot gears. In recent years, discards appear to have exceeded landings (Wigley and Col, 2005).

Besides, haven't you ever had unagi sushi?
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 07:55 PM
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19. I do love my unagi, and by jove, I've learned something today.
But if I'm going to be eating an eel-like fish, I want to be told which one :rofl::hi:
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 09:08 PM
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21. Point taken
And I love unagi too, and chirashi with eel. Love that stuff!
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Riftaxe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:31 PM
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17. Could be a cusk, those
are darn good eating!
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 08:17 PM
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20. Your post has succeeded
in making me go listen to Dead Milkmen.
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