You know who really ruins the military - RAPISTS!!!

[LynneSin]

There is serious issue with rape in the military especially overseas. It's so bad that women will risk Urinary Track Infections and Dehydration to avoid finding themselves in a position where they could be raped - mainly heading to the bathroom overnight. And yet somehow, some reason these rapists are ok for republicans but yet republicans feel that our gay & lesbian military members are a problem.

Women on our military are more threatened by straight men who can't keep their dicks in their pants than by homosexuals and yet we punish the homosexuals.

[left coaster]

1. Ironic, isn't it?

Hetero males acting out violently towards women is just fine with the right.. homosexuals? Not so much.

It's insane, on both counts.

[LynneSin]

2. Some of these women feel helpless to even report these crimes

for fear of retaliation against the person who committed the crime and his friends.

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[wmbrew0206]

8. I think you need to go back and edit your comments.

[izquierdista]

14. Yes, i before e

I caught that one as well. Also, rapists doesn't need to be capitalized.

[hack89]

9. Have any hard facts to back up the hate? nt

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[hack89]

15. I see the hate - but still no facts. nt

[PufPuf23]

19. The volunteers exist, the pols fund them, unjustice war would be less

without the participation of volunteers.

I am not bashing the troops. My Dad was a volunteer over-age vet from WWII and I have many friends from my era, the Vietnam era, who are drafted or muscled in by circumstance Vets. I was actively anti-Vietnam and was fortunate in a high draft lottery and winding down of senseless war. I have a SIL from Gulf War I.

The fact is there are people willing to fignt criminal wars for $ or mind set and pols that support the wars even if the People do not. We even pay to propogandized for the wars.

We have a volunteer military is a fact. The social engineering by convergent interests is likely also factual but not black-white.

Fact: Our military is volunteer.

[hack89]

21. So volunteer military are by nature rapist and murderers?

because that is the post that I am replying to.

[northofdenali]

27. Google is your friend.

The Pentagon released a disturbing report Tuesday on sexual abuse in the military, saying that more than 2,900 sexual assaults were reported last year, up nearly 9 percent from the year before. Nearly two-thirds of the cases involved rape or aggravated assault.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/17/eveningnews/main4872713.shtml

The Pentagon celebrated the sixth anniversary of the Iraq War this week by releasing its annual report on military sexual assault.

The numbers are disturbing. Reports of sexual assault have risen 8 percent in military as a whole. In the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, they have shot up by 26 percent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/helen-benedict/the-pentagons-annual-repo_b_177563.html

[JonLP24]

4. Depending on the base over there

There is a lot of dark areas at night. I remember a briefing we got about sexual assault and how to protect yourself, CSC Scania had the highest rates the time I was in theater. CSC Scania has more dark spots than any base I've been to so you can see why. A lot of dark and secluded areas depending on the base. Every base has a dark spot because the lights just cannot cover every area and you can't exactly stick generators everywhere either. Men have also been said to be raped there as well. In fact, my platoon was even given "rape whistles" to blow in case there was an attacker. The women in my platoon where on the road at the time so it was only men who received them at the time and let me tell you, the laughed at the idea as men, that they would need a "rape whistle". All of them pretty much left it in their locker and I'll be honest I put it away as well and never carried it with me.

I agree DADT should be repealed but I think lighting is a problem over there and very secluded areas where things like this can happen. Those same dark areas are where soldiers have sex as well.

[LynneSin]

7. I'd be interested to see how many of those men who rape men are actually homosexuals.

I'm not saying that a gay man or woman is not capable of rape, but I also know that men, when there is a lack of available women, will take what they can find. Our prisons are filled with men that rape other men but it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality. Most of those men would probaby identify themselves at straight men but since there are no women in prison they take what they can get.

[JonLP24]

13. I'm not sure myself

I wasn't given a statistic IIRC. It was something along the lines, everyone be warned, men have been raped to. Can't even remember which gender was responsible in most of those cases.

I understand the point you're making. I'm thinking the ones committing rape have other issues. In my unit soldiers had sex with each other(even married people) as well as other units that I was familiar with (I.E. The other one that was in my battalion). Which is partly why there was around 15 divorces when we got back including myself (except I wasn't cheating). I also find it possible some of their spouses were cheating as well. So my point is there is some available women on bases, obviously men outnumber them so there could be a case of lack of available women.

[proteus_lives]

17. Some men.

"but I also know that men, when there is a lack of available women, will take what they can find."

You might want to change that.

Rape is about power. Prison rape is about dominance and power. It's not about sex.

[LynneSin]

20. can't edit but your point is very well taken

n/t

[Gaedel]

23. My army time

My army time was back when WACs (old name for women soldiers) were all placed in a barbed wire compound in the middle of post and guarded by MPs. I cannot think of any incident during my army career which involved the male soldiers raping each other whether in Vietnam, Germany, or CONUS. I was in several different units at a variety of posts during the 1960s and we never had any homosexual rape. We did have some cases of homosexual sex which were dealt with very severely under the standards of the time. I think the soldiers had sufficient scope for their sexual urges off duty and off post even in Vietnam.

[blondeatlast]

5. Word, wordity, word, LS. Big k/r

[LiberalLoner]

6. It's not at all inconsistent with the patriarchal heirarchy. rop

In the world of patriarchy, it's okay for women to get raped - hell it's even a good thing - but it's NOT okay for there to be gay men. It's also not okay for women to press charges against rape.

In the world of patriarchy, it's okay for men to rape children - heck it's even a good thing - but it's NOT okay to talk about it or do anything against it.

Once you understand what patriarchy is all about - white men on top, everyone else below and basically a slave with no rights - it all makes sense. Gay men can't have any rights you see because they make straight white men (who are the only REAL people, people with rights) uncomfortable.

It's very simple. White straight protestant males over 21 - people. Everyone else - not people. Not human. Objects with no rights.

[PufPuf23]

10. Exclusion of homosexuals from the military is bigotry and counter-productive

edited myself before posting but I am anti-military empire and current wars.

[JerseygirlCT]

11. Infuriating. nt

[Odin2005]

16. K&R +1,000,000,000,000

[4lbs]

18. This has been known for some time. The females in the military have little to fear about rape from

the local population in other countries.

However, they do have a real, and large, problem with being raped by their own fellow male soldiers. They have often had to go places in sizable numbers, armed with knives and guns, to prevent from being attacked by their own supposed male colleagues.

That's because since 2003, the military has been so desperate to get recruits, that they've almost entirely relaxed their standards. They allow violent ex-cons, including those with a history of sexual assault, to enlist, with almost no psychological evaluation whatsoever. As long as those male recruits are willing to engage in battle, they're in.

Interesting that the military turns a blind eye to this, but hey, if there are any openly gay soldiers in the military, well then... that's just bad for morale. :sarcasm:

Rape a fellow female soldier? Well, let's see about how we can smooth it over.

Find a gay soldier? Sound the alarms!!!!! DefCon 1 !!!! Get rid of that pinko !!!!!



This March 2007 Salon article covered it in great detail.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/03/07/women_in_military

"The Private War of Women Soldiers"

<snip>
Many female soldiers say they are sexually assaulted by their male comrades and can't trust the military to protect them. "The knife wasn't for the Iraqis," says one woman. "It was for the guys on my own side."
</snip>

[progressoid]

22. Yup

k/r

[uncommon]

24. Amen. Rape has always been a problem in war and in the military (worldwide) and now that

more women than ever serve in the armed forces, this needs to be addressed.

[w8liftinglady]

25. I have been torn by this for several years.

my son has spent 3 tours over there as a soldier,one as a contractor.I am afraid to ask him.

rape is a very real subject...one the DOD has just recently started counseling for.It will be supported much the way PTSD was for so long.

No wonder why most of the iraq and Afghanistan homeless are female rape victims

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/u-s-military-unsafe-for-women-risk-of-rape-too-great

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1968110,00.html

http://www.helpforveterans.blogspot.com/

[jaksavage]

26. The basis of the fear of gays

is that some men see sex as something to be taken by force.
And so a gay man would obviously take another man by force.
If you believe in force for hetero than force for homo is a natural step.
That is what puts fear into the hearts of some men.

Rape is a widespread ideology, in war, and other gathering places of males.
It is control through domination. Animalistic.

I am so sorry to those who suffer its occurance.

[backscatter712]

28. Rapists should be shot.

Especially in the military. Get caught committing an act of rape, get brought before a court martial, tried and summarily executed. That's how you solve these problems.

[deaniac21]

29. I used to run at a urinary track but it hurt my knees.