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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 04:59 PM
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I wonder if DADT was purposely brought to the floor, knowing full
well it wouldn't pass (the numbers weren't there) but would make the repubs look bad before the election. Dems knew it wouldn't pass this time out but backed repubs into a corner and now they look....bad. Do I need a tinfoil hat? I mean, this really makes them look bad. I hope repubs don't think they won big on this because from what I'm reading, not only here on DU but other places, repubs look like the selfish scum they are in reality.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:03 PM
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1. Of Course,Ma'am
Everything being called up this week is being called to demonstrate what Republicans will vote against, so they will understand why they do not want Republicans in charge.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:08 PM
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2. Even if what you're saying is true (and I'm not sure that it is),...
...then that's not exactly high praise for the Democratic leadership in the Senate.

The situation would be similar to the Republican leadership (when they were in control) bringing the Federal Marriage Amendment up for a vote, knowing very well that it didn't have a remote chance of passing.

Playing games with the lives and livelihoods of gay and lesbian Americans, for the purpose of scoring political points, is disgusting. It doesn't matter which party does it.
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:13 PM
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8. Would it have passed if it hadn't even gone to a vote?
Would it pass if the repubs take control after the elections?

Maybe this is the only way to give it a chance to pass at all.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:15 PM
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9. Absolutely agree and I think that is exactly what was played here....n/t
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:26 PM
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16. and if it wasn't brought to a vote you'd still find cause to complain.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:10 PM
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3. After the vote on health care for 9/11 first responders
failed because the Republicans wanted to protect tax shelters for foreign corporations, I realized that the Republicans are so fucked up that nothing can make them look bad. They actually enjoy shit like this.

The problem here is Democrats seem to be afraid to make Republicans look as bad as they are. Honestly. Why is there not an ad running every day that says: "Republicans value tax shelters for foreign corporations more than they do the rescue workers from 9/11. Who do Republicans think are going to help them during the next disaster?"

This election should be in the bag. Without question. Democrats could demoralize the Republican party so badly that their own base doesn't even show up for the election, but they are too busy making jokes about their own supporters to worry about Republicans.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:17 PM
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10. +1 for common sense.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:10 PM
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4. you must be under the assumption that the Dems would be willing to
do something rash to win in November.

Too many examples of the Dems tucking their tails between their legs.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:25 PM
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15. That was sort of my hope....n/t
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:12 PM
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5. it makes the 2 Blue Dogs look bad.
Edited on Tue Sep-21-10 05:17 PM by maxsolomon
although in Arkansas, it might help her cause.

it is impossible to make a GOP senator look worse.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:13 PM
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7. Arkansas.
:hi:
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:18 PM
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11. fixed
surgery recovery ain't good for the memory. thx.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:21 PM
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12. You had surgery recently?
Sorry, I wasn't aware of that. I hope your recovery is swift and goes well.

:pals:
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:58 PM
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19. well, i don't share everything on DU
i stopped taking the oxycodone yesterday.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:24 PM
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13. Hope you're on the mend soon.
and no, surgery recovery plays havoc on the grey cells!

I had surgery last month and am glad it's behind me now. ;)
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:13 PM
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6. It would have been politically better for it to have passed, as well as necessary policy.
But the 'courage' to bring it up without knowing if a cloture vote could be won was, of course, inspired by how this should play politically for the elections. Unfortunately, the Senate Dems only have such 'courage' at a time like this, not constantly as is needed.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:24 PM
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14. I love being used. It makes me SO enthusiastic.
Where is the EO from stopping the portions of DADT that he could?

The vague homophobia and the reluctance
To see it really is awful.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:28 PM
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17. I totally agree.
I'm fucking SICK of being used as a political bogeyman.

:puke:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-21-10 05:46 PM
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18. You think this makes them look bad to the red state voters? n/t
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