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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:29 PM
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We know who we are, Mr.President. The tragedy is we'll never know who you could've been for America.
When it comes to painting the clear picture for the bone-headed why there is a problem with Democratic enthusiasm, Digby is unsurpassed.



Digby:


We've been going back and forth the last few days about whether the president and the Democrats are wise to use the "hector the base" strategy to close the enthusiasm gap. I wrote this:

More importantly, it's a complete misreading of what ails the base. It's not about a bunch of liberal bloggers being pissed about the health care bill or the wars. Sadly, there just aren't enough of us to make a difference. And it's not about a bunch of liberal pundits in DC fretting about "tidal waves." Susie Madrak hits the nail on the head about what's depressing Democratic turnout:

(T)hose of us left living on a wing and prayer thanks to your “half full”, half-assed economic policies just don’t have a sense of humor about our continuing plight. I know it’s been a long time since your mom got food stamps, but you might want to give that empathy thing some thought.



It's not that rank and file Democrats are congenitally unable to celebrate all the wonderful accomplishments of the Obama administration. It's that, like Americans everywhere, they are hurting financially and don't have good feelings about the future. The Republicans are fired up and believe that they can take action to change it by voting for teabaggers. But Dems are stuck in a holding pattern waiting for things to hopefully turn around. They have nowhere to focus their angst so they tune out. In those comments, the president is, at best, ignoring their real issue and saying they don't know how good they have it. It's not helpful.





Yesterday the President heard from one of those non-professional left members of the base in person and this is what she said:

Velma Hart: Thank you very much. And good afternoon, President Obama. I’m deeply honored to be in this forum and so grateful for CNBC for making the forum available so you can speak to American citizens just like myself. I’m a chief financial officer for a veterans service organization and that’s here in Washington. I’m also a mother, I’m a wife, I’m an American veteran, and I’m one of your middle-class Americans.

Quite frankly, I’m exhausted. Exhausted of defending you, defending your administration, defending the man for change I voted for, and deeply disappointed with where we are right now. I’ve been told that I voted for a man who said he was going to change things in a meaningful way for the middle class. I’m one of those people and I’m waiting, sir, I’m waiting. I don’t feel it yet. While I thought it wouldn’t be a great measure, I would feel it in some small measure. I have two children in private school, and the financial recession has taken an enormous toll on my family. My husband and I joked that we thought we were well beyond the hot dogs and beans era of our lives. And quite frankly, it’s starting to knock on our door and ring through that that might be where we’re headed.

And quite frankly, Mr. President, I need you to answer honestly, is this my new reality?



I think that says pretty clearly what has rank and file Democrats tuning out. It's the economy, stupid.

But there's another element in what she says that's also very important and it's one I hadn't taken into consideration, although I should have since I'm very familiar with the phenomenon:

Quite frankly, I’m exhausted. Exhausted of defending you, defending your administration, defending the man for change I voted for, and deeply disappointed with where we are right now.



The "deeply disappointed with where we are right now" speaks to the real worry people are feeling about the state of the nation. And in an appearance today on Hardball she articulated what she was worried about:

I'm worried. I know I shouldn't be, somehow I know I shouldn't be. I should have confidence in our leaders to get us through these trying times, but I'm getting a little anxious. And quite frankly, the other thing that I'm concerned about is that other people are getting anxious and anxious people do desperate things and I'd like to avoid that."



And that brings me to the exhaustion part of her statement yesterday. Those of you who went through the 90s will recognize this phenomenon. It's when the right's ferocious attacks are so vicious and relentless that they eventually wear down average, common sense people with normal lives to lead --- and even scare them a little.

In Clinton's case it was defending him from the non-stop personal attacks that was so wearying. It took a brave soul with a taste for political combat to keep fighting in the face of that onslaught. It was called Clinton Fatigue, the sense that even people who were sympathetic to the president's political plight and understood that his enemies were rabid and insane, just wanted it to end. Many analysts think it was the reason why Gore had such a hard time even though the economy was roaring --- normally the country would have not wanted to rock that boat. It was the prospect of four or eight more years of wingnuts shrieking and howling that made at least few people say "whatever... give it to them ... anything to shut them up."

In Obama's case it's this moribund economy vs the outsized expectations that form the substance of the Democratic base's complaint. And there's good reason for people to be disappointed and worried. But the exhaustion at defending him, at least some of it, comes from the same place as that Clinton Fatigue. The right's non-stop attacks eventually just wear people down, sap them of their enthusiasm, make them question their own judgment, especially in the face of a negative and less than hopeful future. You have to be pretty committed to want to wallow in this toxic mud every day and most people have better things to do with their time.

I'm not saying that if the GOP wasn't relentlessly attacking Obama that this woman would feel good about him. He hasn't been very successful at addressing her concerns and there are plenty of liberals who are critical of him as well. But even if he were able to allay her concerns about the economy and the future of the country, the exhaustion that comes from battling back these lunatics is what really takes its toll.

This woman feels besieged, she's worried that the country she knew is slipping away and deeply concerned that the president and his party don't know how to stop it. And she's not wrong to be worried: they do seem to be paralyzed in the face of this psychotic right wing onslaught. They have a huge majority and the White House and they are left holding kabuki votes like today's DADT show and tell and rather than making the Republicans look like big meanies, they end up making it appear that the crazies have the upper hand again. And when that happens a lot of Dems just tune out, avert their eyes, preferring to look to more personal concerns and withdraw into their own projects and pursuits.

I know this because I get emails every day from people who were deeply engaged asking me how I continue to do this every day because they just can't stand to even turn on the TV. Seriously, I've had dozens of notes saying this and many of my friends feel the same way. And when you are on the defensive all the time and you don't see any progress and you feel that politics is a scary freakshow, it's actually the sane thing to do. I think it may be the people like me who are crazy.

So there is a method to this madness. It's the same method that all bullies use. And it's very effective.




Thank you, Digby, for fighting it yet another day and documenting this corrosive phenomenon into the words that, today, many of us search for to describe the despair.


To witness this really does, indeed, make one question his or her own sanity.



... Democrats, just congenitally, tend to get -- to see the glass as half empty. (Laughter.) If we get an historic health care bill passed -- oh, well, the public option wasn’t there. If you get the financial reform bill passed -- then, well, I don't know about this particularly derivatives rule, I'm not sure that I'm satisfied with that. And gosh, we haven’t yet brought about world peace and -- (laughter.) I thought that was going to happen quicker. (Laughter.) You know who you are. (Laughter.) ....President Barack Obama, at a $30,000 a plate DNC event in Greenwich, Connecticut, September 16, 2010




We know who we are, Mr. President.


The tragedy is that we will never know who you might have been for America.








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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:31 PM
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1. This is one of the best posts Digby has written.
:patriot:
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obxhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:33 PM
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2. K&R
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:34 PM
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3. It's exhausting and depressing. I do not think Obama GETS it.
Even in that exchange Monday with the woman who SUPPORTS him, Obama's response was off-key. First the laughter, then the vagueness. I really don't think he understands what real people are going through.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:47 PM
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12. I am sick of the....
"Obama does not get it" meme. Name the last president who walked into 2 wars, an economy headed into a depression, industries collapsing, a media that is looking to bring him down, an opposition party that wants the country to fail so they say NO to everything and don't even allow debate and members of your own party that are really repubs? To get as much done in just 19 months as Obama has is a miracle!
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:49 PM
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14. Yeap, and Obama didn't have 69% or even 83% dem senate as LBJ and FDR did. The out of perspective
...Obama bashing is overt these days
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:03 PM
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18. Good post; I am, too. nt
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 12:34 PM
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33. I am sick of excuses for the CONTINUATION of the wars, the CORPORATE mindset. The healthcare fiasco
NO JOBS plan.

It was clear in Obama's reaction to the woman: HE DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT THE PAIN PEOPLE ARE FEELING.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:34 PM
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4. AGAIN, FDR had 83% dem congress Obama has <59% progressive. Stop BITCHING and go get congress...
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 12:35 PM by uponit7771
...members to vote Obama's way.

TIA
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:39 PM
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6. Please elaborate what exactly is "Obama's way" these days? Seems his way
is quite fluid depending on the election cycles.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:47 PM
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11. These days it's whatever he can get, if he had a progressive congress we wouldn't have to worry ...
...about him because he can't override the house.

Either way, more people complaining than getting congress people is stupid
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Better Today Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:36 PM
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27. Except the primary season is over and Obama, the DLC, and the DNC backed the
BlueDogs and the conservatives across the board, to my knowledge. So we don't really have many progressive options available.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:42 PM
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7. I agree....stop the bitching
Bitch against the repub fillibusters and the blue dogs....this is where our anger should be focused on!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:47 PM
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10. Yep, it can't possibly be done so don't even try.
That a proven winning strategy.
:sarcasm:

"That's why we play the game. You have to come out and play the game. Anybody can beat anybody. You have to make sure to put it all out on the floor and that's what we did." - Beth Dunkenberger

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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:50 PM
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15. Yeap, and many would rather bitch about what Obama's NOT doing than play the game and get him more..
...progressive congress members.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:39 PM
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23. We tried that here in Colorado, Obama campaigned for
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 01:59 PM by Autumn
the blue dog and got him. Then the blue dog turned around and bit Obama.:shrug: Not my fault. It seems to me Obama doesn't want "more progressive", he just might lose his cover.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:50 PM
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16. We tried in Arkansas and Obama's people spent over $10M fighting us.
So, you stop bitching about how everyone else isn't working as hard as you'd like them to do.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:58 PM
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17. To assure a loss in a winnable state.
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 12:59 PM by Greyhound
But we're the developmentally challenged ones.
:eyes::rofl:

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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:05 PM
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19. No, there are a lot of people who go along with the crowd
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:21 PM
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20. Lincoln is going to get her ass handed to her and this was known since
long before the primary election.

Kingfisher would be spinning in his grave.


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USArmyParatrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:42 PM
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24. Exactly. The obstruct everying Republican plan is working brilliantly.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:39 PM
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5. k/r
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:46 PM
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8. When Obama was elected and we had majorities in both houses
I remember thinking that it would be so great to accomplish some great things because that would show the wing nuts and those who supported them...that the Democrats could improve their lives and get the country on the right track. That we were on the side of the people...not the corporations. That the things we were doing were making their lives better no matter what the repubs said.

I do think there have been some baby steps..but nothing right could ever grasp.

As for the "majority in both houses"...it sucks that the right will forever be able to say that we had the presidency and both houses and still couldn't get anything done. Who knew that 51 didn't equal a majority of 100?? :shrug:
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:48 PM
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13. He NEVER EVER had a controlling majority of progressives, we've gone over this time and time again..
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 12:50 PM by uponit7771
...with the complainers.
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bluethruandthru Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:45 PM
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26. Calm down...I'm just pointing out that the republicans will
forever rub my nose in the "you guys can't do anything...even when you have the house, senate and white house". I'm not saying they're accurate...but that's just what they do.

They will then tell me how even when Bush didn't have control of congress he still got his agenda through because "the people" supported him and many dems did too because Bush was doing the right thing for the country. I'm tired of hearing that "lots of Dems in congress don't support Obama and his plans because he's a __________(fill in the blank with Socialist, Nazi, whatever)".

Sorry...that's what I've been listening to for 2 years. I'm just sick of it.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:41 PM
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29. They would have never accepted anythng he did, even if it helped them.
The right wing will never stop their bitching .... your objective of getting them to shut up and realize what they are doing wrong is what almost every abused spouse goes through.

The right wing is not going to change. Obama could never change them.

And you will have to listen to them bitch and moan for a long, long time.

When the economy does turn, the right will credit Bush, not Obama.


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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 12:46 PM
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9. Great summation. As KO said, "it's a freaking war out here".
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:22 PM
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21. Unfortunately, I think he is "being all he can be"
It's just that who he really is, is not who we thought he was, based on his campaign rhetoric and marketing strategy.

Yes, the country has missed a crucial opportunity, a literal do-or-die moment has passed and we blew our chance. What comes next is- well, what usually comes next, politically, after the humiliating collapse of a great power? (Good luck to everyone, even to you DLC/Centrist/Cryptorepug asshats.) But it's not a matter of Obama not living up to his potential. This is what he wanted - he's really doing what he had in him to do. He chose the side he always meant to choose: it's who he sees himself as. And despite staff shake-ups, there's no real chance of him switching sides now for the remainder of his term, to back the people against the elites. This is a deal he made with them, and a deal he made with himself and there's no going back. He just trusted that if he did as he was told, the oligarchy would ensure that it all would work out for him- or at least that it would work out a shitload better than it did. Now he's found out they don't really give a damn about him. They will be grateful enough - out of the petty cash drawer. But while the deal is binding on him, it won't be binding on them. They are already arranging for other playmates.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:35 PM
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22.  There are many "Tragedies" going on......
One big one is the tragedy that there are those who, even 40 days before an election,
can't find nothing better to write about beyond their continuation of criticizing this one man
and are in denial of how this is helping the opposition and its media.......

The tragedy is that some Americans don't understand and don't want to understand how
politics work, how the strength of President's bully pulpit is based on the National Media's whim,
and how there is no separating constant criticism, regardless of where it comes from....
so that the attitude of the Teabaggers, and the attitude of those who refuse to recognize and
daily routinely minimize this President's accomplishments in his first 20 months in office....
as both sides are merged together by the media,
and offered up as proof of this Administration's failures,
to sway the even less informed voting majority.

we know the tragedies that these are, because the President said it, even if he said it as
a rib.....


"... Democrats, just congenitally, tend to get -- to see the glass as half empty. (Laughter.) If we get an historic health care bill passed -- oh, well, the public option wasn’t there. If you get the financial reform bill passed -- then, well, I don't know about this particularly derivatives rule, I'm not sure that I'm satisfied with that. And gosh, we haven’t yet brought about world peace and -- (laughter.) I thought that was going to happen quicker. (Laughter.) You know who you are. (Laughter.) --President Barack Obama, at a $30,000 a plate (to fund helping elect Democrats instead of Republicans teabagging assholes so that we can keep a majority) DNC event in Greenwich, Connecticut, September 16, 2010


and he's right.......folks know who they are.....
and yet the tragedy is that they won't even stop for
the next 40 days, and therefore are willing to actively
participate in undermining their own interest in a long run.
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SargeUNN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:43 PM
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25. OK I am sick of post like this one
I know the hatred of Reality that has come lately but we need to get it. First, how many of OUR people got mad and said because single payer was off the table they wouldn't support ANY healthcare that didn't include single payer? How many gave up on Obama at that time? Oh what a wonderful way to get what you want, if you don't get it all at once just quit. Yeah Obama has not done all we wanted but we haven't really helped as much as we could. We got our thin skinned feelings hurt and quit, which left it to the ones of us who didn't quit to have to try and pick up the vacant support. We just weren't enough to get more past. Don't give me your poor me crap, get active, get into the fight and stop crying. I am sick of this losing attitude and frankly tired of the harm your poor me is doing to our efforts.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:40 PM
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28. add me to the call for reason and sanity...Negativity is not the way to go thru life
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:26 PM
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30. Red meat
I'm not afraid of the RW noise machine, and no one willing to run for President should be either.

We had to struggle with the old enemies of peace—business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for me—and I welcome their hatred.

I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces met their master.


Obama had the mandate, and he had all of us behind him...and instead he blew a once in a generation chance to destroy the status quo.

No more Republican party. It was all but a done thing.
No more Bankster BS. Their heads were on the chopping block.
No more insurance companies. No more people dying for lack of healthcare.
No more big oil/coal/nuclear destroying our world- a green future.
No more senseless wars and imperialism.

Oh, for what could have been...
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:49 PM
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31. 'Oh, for what could have been' is the most painful aspect of all.
What we all held in our hands and hearts on Election night, 2008 lies buried in shattered memories, if it ever existed at all.


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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 11:13 AM
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32. Everybody needs to get over Obama and focus on fighting for a truly Progressive Congress,
one that will "make him do it".
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