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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:44 PM
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If Capital Goes on Strike….Nationalize the Banks
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 01:50 PM by McCamy Taylor
If the recession is now over and the economy is growing again, why isn’t it making more jobs? A number of economists have recently predicted/noted a “capital strike”. The phrase was coined during the Great Depression to describe the way that banks and others with lots of money refused to invest in ventures that would create jobs. The capitalists justified their behavior by claiming that FDR had offended them by treating them like children. They wanted respect, damn it! And they were prepared to hold their breath (and withhold their---strike that--- our money) until the whole nation was blue in the face.

History just keeps repeating itself.

First, we have Senator Phil Gramm, who succeeded in rolling back Depression era banking regulations designed to prevent dangerous market speculation with our money. Then, we have the Bush administration which protected the Banksters from state and local regulation as they speculated with our money. The Banksters were so greedy that they even invested our money foolishly---then made bets that our investments would go sour. The Banks wrote bad loans to folks who hired the homeless to “buy” houses at inflated prices. They also tricked ordinary homebuyers into signing mortgages that they could never pay off. The result? The real estate price bubble, which is now causing folks all across the country to lose their homes, which the Banksters and their buddies are snatching up at bargain prices. They denied money to small businesses, which went under, costing folks their jobs. They became loan sharks, replacing ordinary (federally regulated) lending for folks in financial trouble with credit card “loans” that carried sky high interest rates---and they got Congress to agree that such “loans” could never be nullified through bankruptcy. Their right wing think tanks worked hard to defeat universal health care, because sickness is a huge cause of debt in this country right now----and if Americans are uninsured, the Banksters can reap a windfall profit of 20-30% interest (via credit card debt) on all that medical care---

If you still are not convinced that the Banksters are engaged in racketeering and a conspiracy to take over our country, then consider this. In the waning days of the Bush administration, the banking community (which claims to want to be treated like an adult) came whining to the Republican commander-in-chief demanding a federal bailout. Gimme, gimme, gimme! And Bush, whose family once conspired with JP Morgan to fund Hitler’s military rise, got on national television and swore that the sky would fall if we did not give even more of our money to the Banksters.

The country was divided. But no one wanted to be responsible for another Great Depression. And so, our piggy banks were emptied and the Banksters got their money. They swore that they would use it to free up credit. They swore that American small business would get the capital infusion it needed to compete with the big multinational corporations. They swore that they would help homeowners refinance their mortgages so that they could stay in their houses---

They lied. The money was spent on executive bonuses and the rest is being used as a slush fund to reward the party of the man who gave them all the money. I expect that Karl Rove was the go between---his specialty is raising money for the GOP.

According to fairly reputable economists, the economy is now growing again. There is no reason for the banks to be scared to invest our money in the future of our country. But, as their counterparts did in the 1930s, the nations Banksters have decided to stage a capital strike. Their demands?

From the WSJ, just days after Obama was sworn into office last year:

Americans don't want to stay on strike. They want to take risks, to start companies, to invest for their futures. The political class can help by repairing the damage to the financial system, but it will only delay a recovery if it attempts to dominate ever larger parts of the economy.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123336321034435421.html

If that does not make much sense, I will make it a little more clear:

Banksters don't want to stay on strike. They want to take risks, to start companies, to invest for their futures. The hard working people of the United States can help by repairing the damage to the financial system, but they will only delay a recovery if they attempt to dominate ever larger parts of the economy.

In other words, the banks---the biggest capital holders in the country---declared a strike in the pages of the WSJ just days after Obama took office. They vowed to hold onto our money, stiffling the effort to create jobs, until we, the American people agreed to give up our protections. You know, like the right to strike for better wages. Cold blooded sons of bitches, aren’t they?

Candidate Obama said that he admired President Ronald Reagan. The Gipper-in-chief is remembered for the mass firing of the nation’s air traffic controllers when they went on strike. Reagan claimed that their behavior was greedy and selfish. He said that national security was at stake.

The same can be said for the Banksters, who are sitting on billions of dollars of our bailout money and billions of dollars of our savings. They have staged a wild cat strike. They have made their demands clear. Either get rid of unions, get rid of worker protections, get rid of antidiscrimination laws, get rid of taxes on the wealthy, get rid of the public education system, get rid of the idea that the average American worker has any right to life, liberty and happiness---

And then they will toss us a few crumbs.

If Obama really wants to do the “Reagan” thing, he will respond by nationalizing the banks, so that we can start putting our money to work helping our economy.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:48 PM
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1. Break the CEO Banking Union!!!!!!!!
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 01:48 PM by RandomThoughts
LOL, that is funny.

Note by that construct, they are going to have to justify their wages and health insurance plans.

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rampart Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:50 PM
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2. i consider it a "lock out"
americans will not be hired without severe concessions.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:54 PM
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3. “capital strike” thank you. I've been trying to express this for a while. I didn't know that
term existed. Of course if we say this some asshole will come along talking about "conspiracy theories" (not that I give a shit).
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 01:57 PM
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4. It isn't a conspiracy if the banks announced their intention in Jan, 2009.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:16 PM
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9. You don't have to tell me. nt
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 12:20 PM
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31. Right sentiment, wrong word to debunk
It is a conspiracy. It's not a theory.

Wonder if any Freeper assholes who lost their jobs due to the capital strike still regard John Galt as a hero?
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 04:40 PM
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42. Yes, and everyone who says "businesses are afraid to hire, because they don't
know how much their costs are going to up" are playing right into their hands. Once again Big Capital has the little people doing their work for them.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:09 PM
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5. Lets demand that our payroll, sales, and property taxes be collected in National Banks for our use
only.  Or just start our own banks. Pay high interest rates to
motivate savings.  And once someone owns a house, it is theirs
and their childrens.  If they sell it, they keep the money. 
No more bank owned homes. 
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:44 PM
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14. good idea -- e.g. gov't-managed credit union. you'll see it the next cold day in hell.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 06:44 PM
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19. Here's another vote for that "cold day in hell" ... our own banks!!
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:14 PM
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6. We've already nationalized the losses
And we own large chunks of the big ones outright.

The big problem is the people who crashed the economy are still on the loose and still engaged in financial piracy. As long as this is the case, it is the sane choice to "hunker down" rather than to expand a business. Who would put a nursery in the same room where the last class of kids got butchered by an insane ax-murderer, who is still on the loose in the building?

That's the math that has to change, and it starts with Eric Holder doing his job or getting the f out of the way in favor of someone who will. The Attorney General needs to be taking down the financial ax-murdering sociopaths so that the rest of the country can get on with its business.

Oh, and we also have the small problem that our current Treasury Secretary is one of these sociopaths...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 06:54 PM
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20. NATIONALIZE the banks and the oil industry ... and especially since
we already had the S&L theft & embezzlements ... how the hell could Congress

have found any way to NOT re-regulate banking -- or NOT to watch for a "capital-strike"????

Holder ... ? Holder is as useless as .... take your pick!

Seems to have been put there by Obama to expressly do N O T H I N G -- !!!

Not even helping Don Siegelman -- !!!


Btw, the 1960 Democratic Platform that JFK ran on called for NATIONALIZING the oil industry!


Great post!



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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:15 PM
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7. Any time you negotiate with terrorists, you simply invite more terrorism.
Most of us figured this out decades ago.

This administration has not just negotiated with them, it has offered to teach them how to build better bombs and shown them the best places to put them.
:kick: & R

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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:16 PM
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8. Obama will not act
without consulting with Geithner, and Geithner will not act without consulting his banking overlords. The math is pretty clear. Quod erat demonstrandum.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:21 PM
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10. BY now even "can't we all get along" Obama must have noticed that the Banksters want him and
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 02:21 PM by McCamy Taylor
his party out of office. He offered them a hand. They slap, bit and finally amputated it. I think he is just about ready to put the other hand to use...as a fist to strike down the folks who are deliberately keeping us homeless and unemployed. All he needs is a little encouragement from Democratic voters.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:18 PM
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25. Wish you were right ... but then I'd have to believe that Obama either didn't understand
what it meant when he took money from the health care industry -- and held

private back room dealings with Big Pharma ....

or when he eloped with DLC/Rahm into the White House . . .

or picked a Wall Street "team" that had created this mess to begin with.

OK . . . either Obama is really stupid . . . or it's something else . . .

hmmm.....
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:21 PM
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11. Just because the recession ended doesn't mean the recovery has begun in a meaningful way
It's wrong to confuse an economist's take on an assemblage of statistics and hope to transpose it to on ground. We're talking about two different things, and the recovery is not something that just happens at a fixed pace we desire. It took us a long time to get where we are, and we're only just now seeing the beginning results of anti recessionary moves by the administration. But the first thing to do was stop the recession. So, step one , complete.
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BolivarianHero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:25 PM
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12. That would really be something...
Even Chavez is scared to take on the bankers.
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h9socialist Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:43 PM
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13. I'm for rolling the tanks upon to J.P. Morgan and Company
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 02:43 PM by h9socialist
But somehow I just have serious doubts that this is likely to happen in my lifetime. It would reaffirm my faith in justice, though . . . and make for some dandy arrest photos!
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:44 PM
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15. Rather than nationalize the banks, open the Fed to ordinary consumers
Direct lending to Americans and make the banks compete against that.

A fucking branch next to every post office.



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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 06:37 PM
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18. Yes, if Fedex and the US Postal Service can co-exist,
...then private banks and federally-owned-bank-branches-for-lending-to-consumers-and-small-businesses can co-exist.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 06:56 PM
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21. FED is running our economy ... we need economic democracy ... not a private bank running us!!
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:02 PM
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27. Your idea is ok in theory
But the Fed is a private bank too. If we nationalized it and made it completely transparent, your idea would be exceptional.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 10:10 PM
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29. I posted the same thing w/o reading your reply........
EXACTLY! The "private sector" HATES the idea of having to actually compete with the government. Witness the hysteria about a measley public option.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 02:53 PM
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16. It's gonna take another party to do that...

a socialist party.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 06:57 PM
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22. Anyone keep track of what they're doing .....?
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 07:01 PM by defendandprotect
IMO, we either need to -- with this election -- get rid of so many Repugs that

there is no way Obama can say "NO" to anything!! ---

and, if that still doesn't work -- recreate the Democratic Party OUTSIDE of the

Democratic Party!

And still think we need a new liberal/progressive presidential candidate in 2012 --

a number of them look good -- as long as they aren't DLC, New Dems, or any other

corporate poison!!

Sheldon Whitehouse

Al Franken

Howard Dean

Feingold

wish we had some women to put on the list -- any thoughts?





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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:21 AM
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32. thoughts....

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein




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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 03:12 PM
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34. Agree with that --
My son was a big supporter of Howard Dean and he won't vote any more --

and those are the choices ...

Not voting --

Voting Republican --

Voting Third Party --

or

Voting for Democrats --

As far as I can see "not voting" has never benefited anyone --

women and AA fought for the right to vote -- so I'll skip that!

Voting Repubican? Well, the actual enemy is corporatism/fascism and they are more

heavily infiltrated by the right than the Dems are right now -- difference between

almost sour milk and really sour milk?

I'd say fight on that front and rid ourselves of as many Republicans as we can --

Vote third party?

If you vote for third party you aren't targeting Republicans which I think should be

the goal -- except where we have DLC Dems -- I think they should be targeted ... as

long as there is a liberal/progressive Dem to vote for?

And the complication is that voting for a third party could put more corporate Repugs

in place.


OK -- almost sour milk or really sour milk?

I'm tending to see this as NOT voting for Obama/Dems -- but voting AGAINST Republicans.

Third party and No votes don't really move us toward that goal.



Thanks for the response!!

:)

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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 03:31 PM
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38. I think there is only one choice to be made...

to oppose Capitalism or to try to live with it. All political consideration passes through that crucible.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 03:34 PM
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39. We should oppose it ... but too little discussion of that here at DU ....
bank cards would be one immediate target -- we go out and make profits for

the banksters every day as we use those cards!

Many other ways to bring down capitalists/corporations --

but energy is the big one -- NATIONALIZE oil industry --

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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 03:49 PM
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40. Here's the thing...

we gotta focus, see what is distraction and misdirection. Who our friends and allies are is largely discerned through that crucible.

Nationalize Energy, Finance, Health Care, the MIC, and private prisons, for a start. That's what I call a platform.

See anything like that around?

No, me neither, guess we'll have to build that platform ourselves...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 04:31 PM
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41. The problem isn't the platform .... the problem is elected officials owned by corporations ....
In fact, the 1960 Democratic Platform which JFK ran on called for

NATIONALIZING the oil industry!!

Plus he was removing the oil depletion tax credits --

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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:25 AM
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33. Make it Dean/Feingold for me
The enemy of the DLC is my friend.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 03:13 PM
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35. Fine with me . . . !!! I'd take that any day -- !!
:)

thanks for the response!

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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 10:11 PM
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30. Well I'm ready........
nm
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:58 PM
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17. Is it the banks that won't lend, or the businesses that won't borrow?
Without jobs, there are no customers.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 06:58 PM
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23. K & R nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:13 PM
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24. ..and here's another reason to NATIONALIZE the banks... STOP drug money laundering!!!
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 07:21 PM by defendandprotect
We've got an ex-Citicorp Exec now coming to run the OMB!!!

Cripes!!!

Folks are only catching up with the every day corruption and criminality of capitaism,

as usual -- and its suicidal nature.

We also have to look at the role it plays in fake Drug War !!
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AnArmyVeteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 07:20 PM
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26. We need to nationalize banks and the oil/coal/natural gas industries.
NO corporation should be allowed so much power that they can endanger our national security or the welfare of our citizens. Corporations have ZERO allegiance to any country do why should we allow them to jeopardize our country and our people?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 03:15 PM
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36. Agree --
these are private interests which have kept alternative energy from moving forward --

and stopped any real action against Global Warming which is created by burning fossil fuels!!


Ugh! Can we just please uninvent the dollar bill?


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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 10:03 PM
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28. You don't even have to do that. Just make the
government a DIRECT lender for homes and businesses. The capitalists wouldn't last a minute on "strike" if they thought they had to compete with the government for loan customers.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 03:16 PM
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37. Agree --
but very cautiously, remember the corrupting influences that turned Fannie and Freddie

Mae into the criminals they became when they were partially privatized!!



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