i'll be exhausted with President Obama when he's had 96 months to repair the bu$h* 96 months

[spanone]

bu$h* and cheney had 96 months to SERIOUSLY fuck up everything in this country. President Obama has been in office for 20 months with a congress that doesn't give a shit about his agenda.

the media is painting the 'exhausted' woman as the face of all the democrats...bullshit. she should be exhausted with congress, His own party won't cooperate.

i feel her pain, but she doesn't speak for me.

love & peace

[cliffordu]

1. Ya know, that;s a seriously cool way of looking at it.

96 months to fuck it up, 96 to set it straight again.

:thumbsup:

[derby378]

6. We don't have the luxury of 96 months

People are hurting now. They need a helping hand, not more promises.

[cliffordu]

28. Sigh.

:hurts:

[JuniperLea]

52. WTF do YOU think should be done?

Seriously. What can be done NOW?

[derby378]

69. He could start by keeping his campaign promises

Public option, abolition of DADT, all that good stuff.

[JuniperLea]

60. .

:popcorn:

[JuniperLea]

2. She doesn't speak for me either...

I believe that anyone who thinks Obama could have fixed this mess in two short years is seriously deficient in mental acuity.

[CatWoman]

3. another thing

Big Ed was saying that she is upset because she can't buy a new car.

Yet Obama is trying to get help for people with no FOOD, JOBS or CARS!! (99-ers)........

[JuniperLea]

10. She said something about taking her kids to private school too...

That struck me as very odd... talk about "entitlements!" No one is entitled to go to private school... they are very expensive. She could probably buy car with what she's paying for school.

[spanone]

11. reminds me of this...

http://vuvu.mobi/watch-video/upper-middle-class-blues-original/BXr99RHYh-8/

[zipplewrath]

4. He's about to get Bush's '06 treatment.

Bush didn't get a dem congress until '06. Obama's about to find out that he had his best chance in the first 2 years. You don't get 8 years over which to reward the banks, insurance companies, and wall street first, and then get around to the 8 million unemployed next. They have a funny way of voting well before that.

[derby378]

8. That was a Dem Congress?

They practically did everything Bush ordered them to do. We need Dems who act like Dems.

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[zipplewrath]

20. Oh, he's gone to get a worse congress

I'm dubious either house will switch hands. But he's going to find out that his conservative democratic buddies like Lincoln are only going to get more difficult.

I'm actually one of those who has been predicting that the GOP will be surprised by the out come of this one, but it will be worse.

[Scurrilous]

5. K & R

:thumbsup:

[JustAnotherGen]

7. Rec # 5

I'm in agreement.

Compared to the exhaustion I dealt with under the Bush Administration?

President Obama is a cake walk. Seriously.

[gratuitous]

12. Part of the exhaustion

Is (1) defending Obama from the incessant attacks, so the exhaustion is more a product of Republican motherfuckery; and (b) not seeing anywhere near the passion and drive out of the White House for liberals and progressives that the candidate and his campaign had. The president can not do much about the first one, but I'd be a lot less exhausted if I saw a little more on the second one. And that's a good part of the reason why his own party in Congress isn't cooperating.

I see the good, but being told that it's as good as I should hope for, sit down, and like it, doesn't speak for me. I'm voting Democratic again in November; Democrats returned to office should decidedly not see my vote or their election as an endorsement of their timid ways during the last two years.

[EFerrari]

14. And (c) watching this administration keep and sometimes expand

upon Bush policies instead of this much touted "digging out" that we're supposed to be so patient for. It would be easier to be patient if we saw even an inclination to dig in the right direction.

[MineralMan]

16. Perhaps if you took off your dark sunglasses, you'd

see what you're looking for. Or, perhaps not.

[EFerrari]

24. That was a nice day. My husband and I had just finished

harassing a Fox "News" crew on the Santa Monica Mall.

I know you think that is what passes for wit but frankly, it's just sort of pathetic.

[MineralMan]

26. I have no idea what you're talking about. I was referring to

metaphorical dark sunglasses. And I was trying for humor.

[whatchamacallit]

27. I'm very close to there

:hi:

[gratuitous]

23. Agreed, and just one f'rinstance

Leura G. Canary is still the U.S. Attorney for the Middle District of Alabama. This is something that should have been addressed on January 21, 2009, and could be addressed anytime. Instead . . .

[EFerrari]

25. Seriously. AL has suffered enough. n/t

[liberal N proud]

13. Too many expected President Obama to wave a magic wand and all would be good

It too 8 long years to get us this deep into the mess and it will take a long time to dig out.

[MineralMan]

17. Absolutely. Many of the things done by the Bush administration

are not easily reversed quickly. Some will take years. Impatience will not speed the process.

[zipplewrath]

22. Especially if we hold him to low expectations

He has taken a pass, or re-enforced some Bush era policies. I hope you're not holding his breath that sometime in the next 6 years he changes his mind.

[gratuitous]

38. Leura G. Canary could be out as U.S. Attorney in Alabama

But perhaps I expect too much.

And if you don't know who Leura G. Canary is, get an air sickness bag and Google her name, especially as she relates to Don Siegelman.

Actually, get two air sickness bags.

[Greyhound]

64. If that were the case, Gandalf would be President today.

No, we expected him to take steps in the right direction, not sprint the other way.

[bushisanidiot]

15. +1000

fuckin' A!

[Fumesucker]

18. By then it will be far too late for many of us..

I'm glad you have the luxury of waiting until Obama gets "bipartisanship" out of his system, assuming he ever does, we don't all have that option.

[Better Today]

19. I'm guessing you're employed, not in foreclosure, and have no close

friends or relatives facing dire financial collapse and the emotional trauma herewith.

[democracy1st]

21. well said my friend,and oh military personnel are ready to end these bogus wars!

[spanone]

32. yes i'm employed, have relatives suffering. everybody's suffering. Obama can do so much .

i have a family member who recently ended their life over finances. i know.

[Techn0Girl]

42. Let me tell you what he could have done my friend....

He COULD have taken the 200 BILLION allocated to AFGHANISTAN this year and allocated it to the jobless instead.

He COULD have vetoed ALL Republican bills until the COBRA unemployment benefits subsidy was allowed to continue.

He COULD have pulled an FDR and created jobs programs - gone on TV and rallied the American people to make their Congress pass the appropriate legislation.

He COULD have invested the half trillion dollars this year he gave to the BANKERS and instead given it to direct jobs creation programs.

He COULD have stood up AGAINST congress - using his veto power - and not allowed unemployment benefits to be DECREaSED $100 a month last July.

FDR did it in 100 days - Obama has had 2 years.

Wake up.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

29. LINKS: This is actually the FASTEST jobs recovery in decades, according to CNN and CNBC

Several Sundays ago, Erin Burnett of CNBC stunned an MTP roundtable with her proclamation that we are experiencing "the fastest jobs recovery in decades".

Barack Obama and Ben Bernanke reversed the direction of job growth just SEVEN MONTHS after the December '07 Bush recession ended in June '09, compared to the nearly TWO YEARS it took to reverse the direction of job growth in 2001, after Dubya's FIRST recession. (See the CNN snippet below.)

But Dubya's job destruction is much more severe this time than his first time, affecting 7 percent of all jobs, compared to less than half half that for the 2001 recession.

It's going to take some time to restore all those millions of lost jobs, but Dubya's jobs sinkhole is shrinking now, rather than continuing to grow. How could anyone who knows recent economic history possibly expect any more at this stage? As usual, Fox 'News', the WSJ, and the rest of the far right's "mighty Wurlitzer" have created an alternate reality for tens of millions of Americans. You've really got to DIG to uncover the truth buried under hundreds of days of continually-repeated outright lies.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

LINK and CHART: Private sector job growth. Washington Monthly September 3, 2010

From http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_09/025514.php :



All told, the economy has added 763,000 private-sector jobs in 2010. For comparison purposes, note that the economy lost nearly 4.7 million private-sector jobs in 2009, and lost 3.8 million in 2008.

From http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/02/news/economy/jobs_recovery/index.htm :

By Chris Isidore, senior writer; September 2, 2010:

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- A jobless recovery? Hardly. By historical standards, the labor market is recovering nicely -- job growth has started earlier than in past recessions. ... Excluding the impact of temporary census jobs, the economy has added jobs every month since January. That's a much quicker peak than previous job market recoveries.

After the 1990-91 recession ended, the economy lost nearly 300,000 additional jobs in the 11 months that followed. And the 2001 recession was followed by a so-called jobless recovery that lasted for nearly two more years. "Sustained, positive job formation began earlier in this recovery than in the prior two recoveries," said Lakshman Achuthan, managing director of Economic Cycle Research Institute."

[Techn0Girl]

31. and choco-ration's been increased to 20 grammes !

If you actually know how to read that chart you will see that the area of the positive increase is only about 1/4 the area of the negative loss.

The chart you put up ACTUALLY says that after TWO FUCKING YEARS we have only made up 25% of the jobs that were lost .

Hope you're choco-ration tastes yummy.

[JoePhilly]

35. You ignire his factual point ... the pace of this recovery ...

is FASTER than most others.

By the way, it has not been 2 fucking years. The stimulus passed at the end of Feb 2009. So your clock should start in March of 2009. Which puts the recovery at about 18 months, not 24.

And if you draw a line at that date March 2009, and compare the two resulting graphs, I would challange you to PICK which side of that graph you prefer ... the right, or the left.

Our economy is not a snapshot, it is a set of trend lines. And those lines ARE moving in the correct direction at a faster pace than most prior recessions.

Of course, if you are out of work, that's of little comfort ... and yet ... if you are out of work, and you have to pick which side of that graph is more likely to help YOU get a job, which would you pick??

Should be obvious.

[Techn0Girl]

39. You again - you and "Progressive" must be a tag team....

As I said on the other threads where you two showed up and spread this false meme....
There is NO recovery.
Every middle class American out there knows it.

Unemployment is at 18% (official U6 figures)
Housing market is lowest in decades.
Construction industry is virtually non-existent
Consumer spending is lowest in years.
Food Banks are at an all time high (higher than the Bush years)
Bankruptcies are up AGAIN this year

There is NO recovery.

And when you google the poster I was responding to "ProgressiveEconomist" and "jobs recovery" using the DU search widget above you find that he has been spreading the same misinterpreted chart and "jobs recovery" meme through 20 different threads since Sept 6th

Don't take my word for it - anyone can search it for themselves.

And what an amazing coincidence that you show up as well to defend the bogus chart.

[JoePhilly]

45. No coincidence ... I saw YOUR name ... and the BS you spread ...

very simple.

Where is YOUR plan?

What should the Obama administration do?

You have none.

And if you think that "Progressive" and I are some how "linked" ... you should have no problem doing so. Search MY posts.

I have no idea who he or she is.

I focused in on YOU in the TWO threads where we are responding to each other.

In each YOU make the same nonsense arguments. And in each I go after them.

And again ... other then claim that "now is the end of the world" you bring NOTHING to the discussion.

Tea baggers take the same stand ... what an "amazing coincidence".

[ProgressiveEconomist]

37. How long did it take to recover all the jobs lost during Dubya's FIRST (2001) recession?

My post dealt with the DIRECTION of trends. Draw a trend lind through the red (Dubya) employment bars--what is the direction? DOWN.

Now drasw a trend line through the blue Obama bars. What is the direction? Rachel Maddow called this 'the bikini graph' . You've got to bottom out before you can start to rise again, because, as Alfred Marshall sid, 'Natura non facit saltum' (Nature dows not make discontinuous jumps).

Did you expect Brack Obama to snap his fingers and INSTANTLY UNDO ALL of what Dubya spent eight years inflicting on the economy?

[Techn0Girl]

40. There still is NO recovery

No matter how much you argue and stamp your feet ... the cold hard facts are that nearly 50 MILLION (18%) are STILL without jobs and we have only made up IN TWO YEARS 700K of the EIGHT MILLION jobs lost .

There is no recovery.

[JoePhilly]

46. So how do we create one???

Well..??

You have nothing to add on this point, do you??

Thought not.

[JoePhilly]

55. The folks we are arguing with in this thread ...

Appear to be unable separate two critical thoughts.

1) Is the US economy improving
2) Is my personal economy improving

The first, requires an assessment of trend data. Comparisons of BEFORE the stimulus and AFTER the stimulus. Most of this data shows a slow, but steady recovery. Technically speaking, it also shows that the recession (which is a narrowly defined economic term) ended last summer.

Having said this, the 2nd concern above has nothing to do with trends. nothing to do with how GDP is calculated. Nothing to do with how a recession is defined. It is a far more narrow consideration. Has MY SITUATION improved? Yes or No.

The critical consideration here is that #1 has to get better before #2 gets better in a broad sense. That is, to get more people feeling the effects of a recovery, you need to get the broad economy moving. You can't just start giving out jobs to one person at a time.

Those who are screaming are probably in the #2 group. Improvement in the trends have yet to help them. And so they, correctly, are angry.

But who should they be angry with? Which party is trying to help them? Which party passed extensions of unemployment benefits, and which tried to block them? Which party was blocking a small biz loan package?

Their anger, while understandable, is misplaced.

[Techn0Girl]

30. Hope Your Unenployment lasts that long....

...because Brother, you're gonna need it.

[spanone]

33. what do you suggest President Obama do? do you think he acts alone?

i'm exhausted defending him on Democratic Undergroud

[TK421]

36. I'm on Tier 3 right now...scheduled to expire November 5th I think

there is a Tier 4, right? I don't know how much you know about this stuff...but does Congress have to approve the Tier 4 extension in order for that to be effective? I'm asking because I know there is the issue of everyone getting the 99 weeks of unemployment, and I need a window to work with here so I can give the three roommates ample notice of my departure and time for me to find another roof over my head...

I still haven't been able to find work after being laid-off June of last year..the PA state website doesn't seem to answer my question here...sorry for being a pest, just hoping you know the answer

[Techn0Girl]

41. No Worries - "Progressive"Economist above says there is a jobs recovery! ....

Now don't try and tell him otherwise.
Don't try and tell him of YOUR situation and all thr friends that you know.

Because he claims we're in a recovery don't 'cha know.

[TK421]

43. Wait...are you telling me that I can actually go out right now and find work?

JESUS CHRIST!!!! I didn't know these jobs were out there! I mean..I've been hearing of these private sector jobs that have been created but damn!!!! I haven't been called back for an interview ( except for that one ) and I heard the ratio is something like 9-1 applicants per job seeker...

I guess I really need to take my head out of my ass, don't I? :sarcasm:

[Techn0Girl]

44. Progressive Economist says we're in a recovery - so go find work....

You lazy middle class person you.
This is all your fault don't cha know?

(parctice saying "Do you want to Supersize that?" - it'll help)

[TK421]

48. Are you kidding? even McDonalds isn't hiring staff now...yeah, I've looked

Actually, I'm lower class...lowest of the low...I collect unemployment and milk off the government don't you know!! :sarcasm: I'm just a big ole' sponge!

[Techn0Girl]

49. You just aren't looking at that chart hard enough....

It SAYS we're in a recovery (no it doesn't but that's what PE is saying)
Maybe you;re not looking at the chart hard enough?
Maybe you're off the chart?
(along with me and 50 million others)

[TK421]

54. heh...yeah, I think I might be "off" these charts here...and now I want to know

who is "on" these fucking charts

I'm really getting the feeling like I'm getting the runaround here...I really am, and I am getting FUCKING PISSED!!!

[JoePhilly]

47. There are more job opening now than when Obama took office.

But look, stay home, wait for the call back.

And blame Obama when it doesn't come ... that is Technogirl's advice.

[TK421]

51. Stay home...wait for the call back...you don't have a fucking clue what I do

do you? I've sent out at least eighteen applications since I've been laid off and one place called me back for an interview and when I arrived there were three other people there for interviews...

When it came time for my interview, we went through everything and the interviewer told me "Well, there are ten other applicants coming in after you, so either your not considered or we call you back for a second interview " They didn't call back

Yeah..I'm staying home, living high on the hog with this lousy unemployment payment ( with no benefits, remember ) I don't know what to do with all this fucking money I have!!!! I don't want to spend it all in one place, you know? :sarcasm:

I hope your reply was sarcastic...I really fucking do

[JoePhilly]

57. I was being sarcastic ...

My question for you is this ...

Which party will help you? Which one extended unemployment benefits, and which tried to block them? Which will block them in the future?

I grew up just above poverty. My father could not hold a job. My mother had to make up the difference. And at times, we were on welfare or unemployment. So I know that you are not living "high on the hog".

In some weird twist of luck, I made it through college, obtained 2 advanced degrees. But I do not think that I am so great. I was lucky. And so now I do pretty well. And the GOP would LOVE for me to vote with them.

I won't. Never. Financially, the GOP would be good for ME personally. But not for my sister and her family. Not for my friends in various parts of the country.

And so ... when I come on DU and I see Dems, liberals, progressives, most of whom are not as well off as me, fighting each other ... I get upset.

My view ... while we fight each other like yippy dogs, the GOP dobermans licks their chops. Their goal is to wear us out, and then take the prize and laugh in our face.

If the GOP takes control in 2010, your situation will not get better. I wish that the Dems had a faster path forward, but I can't see how they make that happen with the GOP blocking everything.

And if the GOP gains either branch of congress, it only gets worse.

[TK421]

59. Okay, fine...I agree on your points. Man, if you make a response like that

in the future, please add the sarcasm tag....I didn't know what to make of that post otherwise

[JoePhilly]

62. Understand ... and np ...

Your post was clearly sarcastic ... I responded similarly ... but yet, I should have made that more explicit ...

But I did take an intentional swing at technogirl ... who seems to be doing what she can to make the left .... fight the left.

She seems to want those who are suffering, to blame Obama.

I don't trust her motives. And I have no problem saying that.

Also ... good luck ... and while I don't know if I can do anything ... what do you do??

DU should have a place to help DU folks find jobs when then need them.

[TK421]

68. I worked in a box office for a live professional theatre for eight years

I sold tickets, did some light accounting work, solved various problems, and even helped out building things on the set when they were short of help ( I gave plenty of blood to this place ) with no extra pay...this was a non-profit organization; it was a certain type of non-profit where if you were hired and things came up you just showed up to work to help out...

Yeah...there is much, much more to it ( too much to type here tonight ) Before that, I had mainly retail experience..but I will put a bullet through my head before I go back to retail..

And I have said before that I am willing to dress up in a fucking chicken suit as long as there is work in it..

[JoePhilly]

74. Non-profits can be tough ...

particularly when the non-profit doesn't have high end backers.

I've done a lot of career counseling over the years (part of my background in is social / organization psychology. And one thing I tend to ask people is to describe their dream job.

Of course the first response to that question is usually something silly ... like ... a job in which you get paid a ton of money, but you don't work ... like CEO of Fox News.

But after that, folks step back and think about it. What do they like to do? Can they get paid to do it? Are their jobs that let you do some of it? Can you create your job within an existing field, in part because no one else does it yet?

I should mention that from my experience, it is easier to get into non-profit work when you don't need the money. Which stinks. Your situation is an example on that point. If you want to do non-profit, it helps if you don't need the money.

But ... if you can get some stability (even if its in the chicken suit) then you might be able to add the non-profit aspect.

Anyway, don't mean to be giving so much "advice" ...

My feeling is the same as it was earlier ... we on the left, those who are doing ok, and those who are not, need to work together against the GOP.

I honestly believe that the GOP masters intend to make the US work force into a 3rd world workforce. The CEOs will have houses across the globe. And GOP House and Senate members will as well. And their campaigns will be funded, big time.

So that the ubber rich, and the GOP have stable positions, and everyone else on the globe, fights for scraps.

[Name removed]

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[Techn0Girl]

53. Saying facts is neither Stalking nor trolling....

The fact that the truth upsets you so much as to consider it a personal attack speaks volumes.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

56. What would you call derogatory remarks about person A posted as a reply to person B?

[ProgressiveEconomist]

58. Plus, you have followed me from one thread to another, posting more replies than I

did even though I was the the author of that thread's OP.

And, in your stalking. you cut and pasted your spam from one thread into another.

[JoePhilly]

63. She also thinks you and I are somehow connected ...

Perhaps an ideological sense we are, but I don't know you ... you don't know me ... and we don't coordinate posts ... but she thinks we are connected, has said so.

I just post on topics that I find interesting. Maybe a point of agreement. Maybe a point of debate.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

66. I never even noticed your 'handle' until today. I look for threads that will help me understand

some subject where the news media have been little help--usually threads with lots of internet links to respectable sources.

It amazes me that with all the 24/7 cable channels, and all the newspapers online, real NEWS has gotten harder and harder to find than it was twenty years ago, rather than easier.

[mcar]

34. Exactly right

The media gave Bushco 8 years to destroy the country but started bit#$ing about Obama before he was even sworn in.

Hypocrites all.

[Freetradesucks]

61. I heard on today that she has close ties to

Michael Steele. Would not surprise me in the slightest.

[Techn0Girl]

65. Some people say....

... that unattributed and/or unverifiable derogatory remarks about someone you don't agree with is a Fox News tactic.

[Freetradesucks]

70. I also heard that Rush Limbaugh is a

pedophile. Actually dozens and dozens of times, right here on DU. I suppose you have a link or some means of verifying that? A casual third party observer might consider it a Democratic Underground tactic.

Oh, and not to defend Fox by any means, but I would love a good example of "unattributed and/or unverifiable derogatory remarks about someone you don't agree with is a Fox News tactic". I'm sure you've got a million of 'em.

[Techn0Girl]

72. Some people say that he is a Big Fat Idiot...

I'm just sayin '

Regarding your comments,
"I would love a good example of "unattributed and/or unverifiable derogatory remarks about someone you don't agree with is a Fox News tactic"." - you need to see the movie "Outfoxed" (I'm sure it's rentable or in Netflix).

That movie explains the tactic and documents how Fox regularly uses it -

[Bluenorthwest]

67. So you are of course straight.

You say love and peace, but support a man who says only some should be able to love in peace. And that is what it is. You are serene and content with that. Bully for you, chilly for me. What time do we tee off? Bring my car around, time to go.....

[Starbucks Anarchist]

71. How do you infer that from the OP?

[spanone]

76. don't know who you are waiting for, but i don't think they exist

[glinda]

73. He repairs it, Repubs step in and claim credit if they get in and then trash

the Country and planet beyond any hope of repair. That is how I see it unless we make damn sure they do not succeed.

[butterfly77]

75. Kick,kick,kick &recommended!

:dem: