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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:01 PM
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When folks say that Obama is screwing up the economy, ask them this...
If given a choice, would you rather have back the economy of 2008, or keep economy of 2010?

See what they say.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:03 PM
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1. I guess it depends on whether they were employed in 2008.
As I was, and am not now.
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:06 PM
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3. I am in the same boat - I'll take 2008 for $1000 Alex, thank you
Wake up.
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Bold Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:07 PM
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5. +2
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:08 PM
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6. So, losing 750,000 jobs per month...
... was better than gaining jobs? Wow. I did not expect that here.
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 04:42 PM
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11. We're NOT gaining jobs....
We've just slowed the job losses a little bit...
That's the truth and it's a hard truth .

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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:01 PM
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12. Nope
Edited on Wed Sep-22-10 08:04 PM by LuckyTheDog
The economy has gained private-sector jobs -- a lot of them -- in the past year. The "losses" of late have been mainly because of temporary Census jobs ending.
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 12:15 AM
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15. You are Still wrong.... Check out the facts
http://www.fundmymutualfund.com/2010/09/adp-reports-10000-in-private-sector-job.html

"ADP private sector employment is always reported the Wednesday before the Friday where U.S. government employment data is released. Since it varies from what the government reports relatively substantially it is usually given less attention but this morning ADP released a -10,000 private sector contraction in employment."

Those figures were from 3 weeks ago.
Wake up.
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:45 AM
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16. Here is a better source
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

From Sept. 3, 2010:

Nonfarm payroll employment changed little (-54,000) in August, and the unem-
ployment rate was about unchanged at 9.6 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor
Statistics reported today. Government employment fell, as 114,000 temporary
workers hired for the decennial census completed their work. Private-sector
payroll employment continued to trend up modestly (+67,000).


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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 02:04 PM
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20. "Nonfarm payroll employment changed little (-54,000) "
You're picking and choosing bits of statistics to support your own illusory ideas here.

Let's face it - most of the people posting about how great the economy is and how wonderful the economy is doing are probably unemployed themselves - living on a fixed income at best. It;s analogous to all the teabaggers out there who were reported to be on social security or disability. You may be in that category yourself - I know certainly that I am unemployed. For some reason, there is a component of the population, Republican or Democrat, that stands up for the very same authority figures that are persecuting them with their political and economic policies.

I know I can;t possible convince you and it doesn't matter because you don't matter. You are in a small minority - just like the Republican teabaggers. I have said more than enough on this thread to convince any reasonable person of the facts.

Come November I am positive as to what will happen and when it happens it will not be my fault.
It will be the fault of the people who put their fingers in their ears and hands over their eyes, who refused to hear or see the facts and didn't care enough about their country to get out there and make their leaders do what they promised to do.

Because it's always easier to sit back in that Lazy-Boy and shout "Yay Team!"

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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:06 PM
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4. So, you think the economy was better in 2008? Really?
I did not ask about your personal situation.
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:18 PM
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8. Goodness, where on earth did I say that?
And I know you didn't ask me straight out about my personal situation -- but I took your rhetorical question that you were encouraging people to ask, and asked it of myself, and shared the answer, as might have happened if we ran into each other on the street and you heard me say, "Boy, Obama is just mucking along with the economy, isn't he?" and you had replied, "If given a choice, would you rather have back the economy of 2008, or keep economy of 2010?" Sure, my response doesn't answer your question straight out, but it's the first glib thing that comes to mind when I hear rhetoric questions that, like yours, are designed to shut people up.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:06 PM
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2. I always say he is 'fixing' the economy and leave it at that.
Since the GOP 'broke' the economy, he can only make it better in some small quantifiable way. I want the economy I had back in 1999! I was drowning in contracts for IT work! Ah...the easy days.
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Techn0Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 03:08 PM
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7. I'm in the same boat as yourself - making 100K in 01 - lucky to make 35K now...
and I've just been laid off - again!

You and I am the middle class that is being systematically destroyed - by the policies of BOTH parties.

PM me if you want to talk about jobs, ideas , etc.


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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 04:37 PM
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10. Thanks, I hope you find a job soon. It took me over 6 months this
time to find work! :( A second in my career (worst was after 9/11 took almost an entire year!) :(

WE are the middle class being destroyed! I fear once we reach a certain point there will be no going back...I already refer to myself as the 'working poor' and like you made a large amount of money 10 years ago.

I miss Bill Clinton. :(

At the moment I am doing system install, upgrades and replacement parts on IBM/PCs.

I am starting to get into ecommerce, if you have any ideas on the topic let me know.
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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 04:09 PM
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9. Ok, this post is horribly ill informed.........
I would take 2008 in a HEARTBEAT had the excesses been allowed to wring out of the system. The extraordinary actions taken since have only served to erode the fundamentals, and that wasn't smart. Rearranging deck chairs if you will, by both administrations.

You can mitigate the little forest fires here and there and prevent catastrophe, but friend, every hundred years or so, that forest burns to the ground. The entire thing. Only after it burns out does it start its natural cycle over. Ever wonder why depressions, recessions, and panics always start at harvest time?
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 08:03 PM
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13. Take your free-market dogma somewhere else
That Milton Friedman crap does not fly with me. Sorry.
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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-22-10 09:34 PM
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14. OK, look Google "complex system destruction"......get back to me.....
see if you still want to wear that Milton Friedman comment around like a cheap suit. I'll let you off the hook as I don't think you are trying to be mean, just are ill informed.

Good luck to you and yours.
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LuckyTheDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:46 AM
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17. Not willing to endure a depression...
... to satisfy somebody's ideological devotion to free-market economics. Sorry.
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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 12:10 PM
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19. Look around cat......your already enduring it. n/t
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:57 AM
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18. In 2008 I had hope
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