They knew

[sabra]

and so did we.. but now more evidence.

reports from the last 24 hours:

http://english.ruvr.ru/2010/09/23/21886460.html

Saddam had no link to al-Qaeda - FBI files

Saddam Hussein never cooperated with al-Qaida, documents declassified by the FGI in the U.S. say.

The FBI notes are among hundreds of pages of interrogation records of top Iraqi officials, including the former Iraqi foreign minister, Tariq Aziz.

He told the FBI that Hussein never had any interest in partnering with Osama bin Laden, whom he called a “fanatic”.
The FBI archives were declassified in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jry7qEOA-VOa8dJRWVJaJDGUU1yg

From start, Bush team focused on war with Iraq: documents

WASHINGTON — Former president George W. Bush's advisers focused on toppling Saddam Hussein's regime as soon as he took office and discussed how to justify a war in Iraq shortly after invading Afghanistan in 2001, official documents showed Wednesday.

A few hours after the September 11 attacks in 2001, then defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld spoke of attacking Iraq as well as Osama bin Laden, according to notes of a meeting on that day, newly declassified papers show.

Rumsfeld told a Pentagon lawyer to go to his deputy to get "support" showing a supposed link between the Iraqi regime and Al-Qaeda's founder, according to the papers posted by the Washington-based National Security Archive, an independent research institute.

...

In June and July of 2001, senior administration officials seized on intercepted aluminum tubes as proof that Iraq was pursuing nuclear weapons, even before a preliminary assessment of the tubes, according to two State Department memos to then secretary of state Colin Powell.

One memo states the US government's interest in "publicizing the interdiction to our advantage" and "getting the right story out" about the tubes, which were soon found to have no nuclear connection.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB326/index.htm

[Scuba]

1. And the war criminals continue to profit.

[SpiralHawk]

38. "Smirk." - xCommander AWOL (R)

[SpiralHawk]

39. "Sneer." - xVP Dickie 'Five-Military-Deferments' Cheney (R)

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XNVS6Bkyaac/SxwdL4WayRI/AAAAAAAAAS8/TPdjgp2yB1g/s200/sneer+cheney.jpg

[MissDeeds]

52. And those who waged war continue to go free

because, ya know, we're supposed to look forward.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Solly Mack]

2. Oh well...that's all in the past

If you have to ask....

[rurallib]

3. not worth investigating - let's look forward.

[Solly Mack]

4. Well, we wouldn't want to divide the country

snicker

[Scuba]

8. Yeah, important that Rep's and Dem's don't start bickering.

[Solly Mack]

11. Yeah. Someone might get offended at being properly labeled a war criminal

and that could bring an end to the current harmony we're experiencing now.

[bobbolink]

64. "perfect harmony"

Wasn't that a song for Coke?

Guess it worked......

[Solly Mack]

69. Dunno about perfect harmony...

but I do believe the phrase perfect harmony was part of a Coke jingle

[Jim Sagle]

74. Hush now...we're all sick of that partisan hollering back and forth. Obama said so.

[Solly Mack]

75. I'll have a Pepsi then.

[democrank]

5. War criminals, but wait.....

we`re not supposed to whine.

[bjobotts]

82. HOLDER DOES NOT WORK FOR OBAMA., but for the people and to uphold the constitution

[atreides1]

134. Right

Like Ashcroft and Gonzales didn't work for Bush, but for the American people and to uphold the US Constitution!

[L0oniX]

6. Silly. Crime and punishment are for the little people.

[Voice for Peace]

37. damn that bug nt

[thereismore]

7. How to start? Take your pick, doesn't matter. Clear premeditation. nt

[xchrom]

9. shrug -- nothings going to happen this late in the game.

yes we knew and yes we were angry.

now? -- well... maybe it'll get the HCR treatment or the Banksters treatment -- something along those lines.

[driver8]

10. My stomach is in knots just thinking about how this country was lied into war...

and how thousands and thousands of lives were lost and ruined because of these war criminals.

War Criminals is what they are -- plain and simple.

Motherfuckers...

[Diane R]

46. We're always lied into war. The toll of Vietnam still reverberates for many families.

[paparush]

128. I'm living proof of that. Son of a Vietnam Vet.

Who drank and drugged himself to death at age 52 trying to keep the demons at bay.

[sellitman]

94. Word! N/T

[HughBeaumont]

12. Pay no attention to the smoking gun inside the cowboy boots -

[monmouth]

13. All this in defense of his daddy..n/t

[glitch]

14. All about war and oil profits for his base, the haves and have mores.

Avenging Daddy was pure PR.

[Raster]

25. Absolutely! The National Village Idiot was just the "alibi-in-boots."

The two illegal and immoral wars of vanity and greed are all about petroleum, profits and power. The American Military/Industrial Complex and the American Petroleum Mafia are evil symbiotic sisters, supporting and feeding each other. These are their wars, their deaths, their attrocities. Bush* and cheney* were their candidates. This was NEVER about Al Queda or WMDs or even Saddam Hussein. This was--and still is--about petroleum, profits and power. Obama knows this, Congress knows this. Some of the American people know this. Most of the world knows this.

[glitch]

30. They barely try to hide it, occasional half-hearted lip service at the most.

I think people don't make the obvious connection because it's too horrible to realize what is consuming our country. Much easier to blame an "idiot" who "just happened into power".

[Raster]

31. Most people have difficulty seeing the worst in people, even if it's thrown in their faces.

Most people would rather believe a Pollyanna fantasy than confront the ugly truth. And the bringers of ugly know this. They work the Pollyanna effect to yield the best results.

[glitch]

57. Every sociopath relies on that. We should train our citizens better to recognize it. nt

[Uncle Joe]

59. Yep, an "idiot" who "just happened to choose" the CEO of Halliburton

to head his search committee for a Vice-Presidential running mate and then after "searching" the entire nation "just happened" to pick the "searcher;" him self as his Vice-Presidential running mate; who "just happened" to have promoted and subsidized a study while Sec. of Defense; under "idiot's" Dad, for Halliburton to use for profit mercenaries and to have gone on to receive a 20-36 million dollar severance package from Halliburton; which would "just happen" to go on and receive major contracts; making mega-bucks on developing Iraqi Oil Fields.

I can't even begin to imagine the size of the blind spots of the people unwilling to see the arrogant, greed based, murderous, corruption of the Cheney/Bush Maladministration.

For that matter, to claim that Cheney/Bush; were corrupt is to do injustice to the word "corrupt," they were evil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_cheney

Between 1987 and 1989, during his last term in Congress, Cheney was a director of the Council on Foreign Relations foreign policy organization.<49>

With the new Democratic administration under President Bill Clinton in January 1993, Cheney left the Department of Defense and joined the American Enterprise Institute. He also served a second term as a Council on Foreign Relations director from 1993 to 1995.<49> From 1995 until 2000, he served as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Halliburton, a Fortune 500 company and market leader in the energy sector.

In early 2000, while serving as the CEO of Halliburton, Cheney headed then-Governor of Texas George W. Bush's vice-presidential search committee. On July 25, after reviewing Cheney's findings, Bush surprised some pundits by asking Cheney himself to join the Republican ticket.<14><53> Halliburton reportedly reached agreement on July 20 to allow Cheney to retire, with a package estimated at $20 million.<54>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halliburton

Following the end of Operation Desert Storm in February 1991, the Pentagon, led by then Defense Secretary Dick Cheney, paid Halliburton subsidiary Brown & Root Services over $8.5 million to study the use of private military forces with American soldiers in combat zones.<21> Halliburton crews also helped bring 725 burning oil wells under control in Kuwait.<22>

It was anticipated that Halliburton’s $2.5 billion "Restore Iraqi Oil" (RIO) contract<38> would pay for itself as well as for reconstruction of the entire country. Plans called for more oil to be exported from Iraq's northern oil fields than actually occurred. Halliburton’s work on the pipeline crossing the Tigris river at Al Fatah has been called a failure. Critics claim that the oil fields are barely usable and access to international markets is severely limited. As an example, against the advice of its own experts, Halliburton attempted to dig a tunnel through a geological fault zone. The underground terrain was a jumble of boulders, voids, cobblestones and gravel and not appropriate for the kind of drilling Halliburton planned. "No driller in his right mind would have gone ahead," said Army geologist Robert Sanders when the military finally sent people to inspect the work.<39>

The company has become the object of several controversies involving the 2003 Iraq War and the company's ties to Former U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney. Cheney retired from the company during the 2000 U.S. presidential election campaign with a severance package worth $36 million.<40> As of 2004, he had received $398,548 in deferred compensation from Halliburton while Vice President.<41> Cheney was chairman and CEO of Halliburton Company from 1995 to 2000 and has received stock options from Halliburton.<42>

[glitch]

60. And then there was the Supreme Court to intervene "to prevent damage to Bush"

The whole system was, and until all their crimes are addressed remains, ludicrous.

[Uncle Joe]

66. They had to dig deep in the toilet to pull out that decision.

Counting the votes would "violate equal protection of the law," but apparently using different voting methods made no difference?

That's why I view the 2000s' as "The Selected Decade," we didn't have to go down this miserable path, it was deliberately chosen by a few arrogant "Justices;" believing their handful of votes mattered more than tens of millions of the American Peoples' in determining the nation's leadership.

Those "Justices" trashed the Constitution and to me it was nothing more than a legalized coup, its no wonder they didn't want their decision to set precedent, I would be ashamed of it as well.

[glitch]

77. That decision will live in infamy, doesn't matter how they spin it.

They can rewrite all the school books in Texas from now until the end of our species, we will not forget.

[Raster]

121. I don't think for one minute that bush* chose cheney*. It was the other way around.

They needed a public face with a nationally known name that they could easily manipulate, and George W. "village idiot" Bush* fit the bill nicely.

[Uncle Joe]

136. Actually I agree with you, Raster. Bush was the front man with the known name,

making claims to a large state as his home.

The whole thing was a setup, they knew Cheney could never be elected as President, there were too many strikes against him, small state, shaky health, piss poor personality etc. etc. but it would be Cheney's masters that were best served by their maladministration.

[Raster]

139. Right on the money! The money masters knew Snarl would never be elected President....

...HA! Elected--now there's a concept. We were going to have cheney*/bush* foisted upon us in Selection 2000 no matter what the American people wanted. We did not matter. The money masters needed their boys in office. And ol' George W*, just a clueless front man poorly lip-syncing for a very evil band.

[Cherchez la Femme]

58. Don't leave out Natural Gas

you know, the pipeline through Afghanistan the Taliban (once our friends!) nixed?

We will NEVER leave Afghanistan -- count on it

[Raster]

140. I have no doubt. Afghanistan should be renamed Pipelinistan and kept on as an....

...American protectorate. Oh, wait...

[librechik]

15. so VOTE REPUBLICAN

morons, and get more of the same.

[chill_wind]

50. More of the same and worse is guaranteed. Inaction by Democrats are ensuring it.

Sooner or later Republicans will be back in greater power by whatever means they can make it happen. It especially boggles the mind that people want to pretend there won't ever again be another Republican in the White House. If they can't win it, they will steal it.

People like you will be screaming and puking your lungs out at the ever-expanded executive authority and the gop-fascist abuses of power that will make BushCheney look like a pair of Boy Scouts. And wondering how that could have happened.

[Grinchie]

118. For me, voting for either party is "Off the Table"

The Democrats fooled me once, it's not going to be so easy next time until I see something a lot less like the DLC.

They coulffer me $500 for my vote, and I would still walk away.

[Techn0Girl]

112. Your calling me a moron has shocked me into seeing the truth....

of course you are right - how could I have been so blind before. And all it took was your erudite and eloquent argument to make me see the light.

Thank you for helping make my voting decision this November so much easier.

[frylock]

115. i'm beginning to believe that i did

[AtomicKitten]

16. Of course they knew. nt

[YOY]

17. No shit.

n.t.

[spanone]

18. an unnecessary war...imagine your child died for these lies

imagine

[hayu_lol]

19. It was quite clear in the PNAC documents that what they...

needed was another Pearl Harbor. Think Rummy,Feith,Perle and all the others who signed the PNAC statement(page 51 I think it was).

No one can prove it...but 9-11 was of their design, aided and abetted by the Saudis.

[Raster]

27. Truth! But unfortunately today truth is subject to ridicule and derision.

You would have to be a brain-dead idiot to believe the official account of 9/11...or at least paid to act like you do.

[Politicalboi]

109. You are so right

And I can't believe the ridicule some of us get when we say we don't believe the governments story on 9/11. To me, to believe the governments story defies logic.

[flyarm]

101. It was in Rebuilding America's Defenses Page 51 of the PNAC>> here

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

[Greyhound]

28. Millions of families all over the world don't have to imagine it.

And we still have people defending this ongoing global crime-spree.
:cry:

[Raksha]

124. Cindy Sheehan doesn't have to imagine it,

and the same goes for a lot of other Gold Star mothers.

[chimpymustgo]

20. And if the truth about 9/11 ever comes out...

[Raster]

32. I don't know that the actual truth could ever come out. Even those persons in American government

...that believe--even know--beyond a shadow of a doubt what a farce the official 9/11 story is, have to support it. They have no choice. If the absolute truth about 9/11 were revealed, the reverberation throughout the American psyche and the American people would be profound. All illusions of the inherent benevolence of American government and it's power would be subject to question and probably stripped away. The shattering of the 9/11 Amerimemes would render the authority of the United States government impotent and useless. It would completely destroy the Amerimyth of some higher purpose in the Middle East. And mind you, I am not saying that the United States government was behind 9/11. I am saying, however, that certain highly-placed persons in the United States government at the time of 9/11 aided and abetted the attacks and actions on that day.

[txaslftist]

55. I like to send friends of mine this message:

Google "WTC7"

[spanone]

21. we know. there are still no consequences. no repercussions. no inquiries. no hearings. nothing.

nada. zip. ziltch.

[hootinholler]

22. So when did the WHIG start meeting?

This seems like that wasn't necessary for planning...

-Hoot

[nc4bo]

23. Silly DU'ers seem to have forgotten that we're all supposed to be looking forward..

:sarcasm:

[Fire1]

24. If they're not going to do anything about it, we might as well. n/t

[nc4bo]

26. Heck, all we have in our arsenal are tar and feathers....

and we'd probably get tossed into Gitmo for even thinking it out loud.

I'll never forget "Impeachment is off the table" and looking forward statements.

Unforgivable.

[Techn0Girl]

91. STOP MAKING WAVES - YOU'RE RUINING THE ELECTION !

:sarcasm:

[flyarm]

103. + 1 million ..but the million are now dead because of the damn lies and cover ups!

You are so correct..now we are supposed to stfu..well I for one will never ever ever STFU! Nor should any American..that would be treasonous to me.

[Scurrilous]

29. K & R

:thumbsup:

[EFerrari]

33. Thank you, sabra. n/t

[bvar22]

34. Investigation and Prosecution of WAR CRIMES is NOT optional.

The USA is BOUND by several treaties to investigate and prosecute possible WAR CRIMES.
According to the Constitution, signed treaties become the LAW.
Looking the Other Way on War Crimes is a WAR CRIME.

[Raster]

35. Not only does 9/11 raise the specter of war crimes, it also raises the question of

treason.

[flyarm]

104. You are 100% correct and thank you! No less than treason! and murder. eom

[pasto76]

36. Right, when Bin Laden offered to bring his army and oust Saddam from Kuwait

pretty much means they aren't buddies. Bin Laden didnt like Saddamn b/c of his previous associations with the US.

[EFerrari]

107. Bin Laden considered Saddam a heretic.

They both had been on CIA payroll.

[CUTTIN HEADS]

40. Hang 'Em High

[Uncle Joe]

41. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, sabra.

[KansDem]

42. Well, it never was explained why Bush sat and did nothing when told by Card...

...the US was under attack.



No one...no one in the media...asked him why he didn't do something.

[Techn0Girl]

92. Maybe it was bacause that drunk bastard knew how much he had just fu'ked over the country?

But Remorse only lasts so long with these people.

[Raster]

116. Card told him about THE SECOND JET, not the first.

Bush*, by his own admission, said that he watched the first jet strike the tower, which was hard to do because it was never televised. The picture you display is Bush* just having been told by Card that a SECOND JET has just hit the SECOND TOWER.

[KansDem]

133. Again, I ask, "Why didn't he do something?"

The US is under attack and the President and Commander in Chief sits and does nothing?

Not in my worldview...

[WillyT]

43. HUGE K & R !!!

:mad:

:puke:

:kick:

[flvegan]

44. Dry powder! Off the table! Look forward!

Fucking cowards.

[DeSwiss]

45. K&R

With all this evidence of war crimes coming out now, it's just too bad that we're not supposed to look backwards:

Last week, after President Barack Obama announced his plan to end the Iraq combat mission by 2010, he sat down for an interview on "NewsHour With Jim Lehrer." Lehrer asked the president whether Iraq was worth the American lives lost and wounded, as well as the Iraqis who have been killed? The president responded:

"Well, you know, I don't want to look backwards. As you know, I opposed this war, I did not think it was the right decision, but I don't want to in any way diminish the enormous sacrifices that have been made by our men and women in uniform."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/byron-williams/president-obama-may-not-w_b_172164.html

- Of course when a person never looks backwards they can never tell what's gaining on them either........

[Grinchie]

119. Yep, it the damn Veterans that sacridiced for lies that are the problem

We might have to compensate them for the inconvenience, but as you know, we are broke from the AFgan War right now, and there is and election coming.

[newtothegame]

47. "as soon as he took office"

September 2001? :shrug:

[PADemD]

126. No, the summer of 2000.

Please read Chapter 4 of Malcolm Gladwell's book, Blink. It's about the Pentagon war game called Millenium Challenge.

"A rogue dictator was threatening the stability of the region. He was virulently anti-American. He had a considerable power base from strong religious and ethnic loyalties and was thought to be harboring terrorist organizations. He needed to be replaced and his country restored to stability,....................", page 146

[Blue_Tires]

48. ttt

[TheWatcher]

49. They Are guilty of a lot more than just "knowing."

And I think deep down, past the thick layer of terminal willful ignorance that cocoons this country.....

WE KNOW.

[txaslftist]

56. I think so, too.

[Boxerfan]

51. Cut off communication too-including television and radio.

I guess that would explain why US Journalists were targeted by US shelling...

Ya think that would be against some sort of law???

[indimuse]

53. KNR! n/t

[davidwparker]

54. Why can't you people look forward like Obama?

:sarcasm:

[hulka38]

67. +1 if you add the entire party leadership.

The eerie acquiescence by the party has everything to do with so many Dems knowing the Iraq threat was a fraud and going along with it anyway.

[hulka38]

61. Is that hand writing available in full? Why is it cropped?

It should be available to the public.

[sabra]

62. if you got the National Security Archive website they have all the docs

Here's the Rumsfeld memo:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB326/doc08.pdf

[hulka38]

63. Thank you sabra.

[DeSwiss]

70. Here it is, all three full pages:

It's Donald Rumsfeld's - http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB326/doc08.pdf

[butterfly77]

65. Kicked&Recommended...

[racaulk]

68. Another entry for the "Yeah, no shit!" file.

Too bad nothing will come of this and the war criminals will never be prosecuted. We have to keep our powder dry and look forward, and all that jazz.

:mad:

[PoliticAverse]

72. Prosecuted?!

Forget being prosecuted. One of them got a "freedom" medal from a former US president even:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8001307/Bill-Clinton-presents-Tony-Blair-with-the-Liberty-Medal.html

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. The shock is that none of these people are facing

the docket for waging illegal war...

[pansypoo53219]

73. DUH.

can you say oedipal?

[Citizen Worker]

76. Please, we must look forward not backward. The rule of law does not and never has applied to the

powerful.

[Javaman]

78. and yet they are still free, given jobs and looked upon by some as heroes.

we don't live in a democracy anymore and haven't for a while.

[Vinnie From Indy]

79. I think it is important to mention the MASSIVE complicity of our MEDIA

Of course BushCo was lying! I hope all readers take a moment to reflect on how easy it was for these people to get their war. They had oodles of help from 95% of American media. This power is in no way diminished and we still see it all around us today.

[baldguy]

80. Of course they knew.

The Iraq war & occupation was never about WMDs or imagined connections to al Qaeda. It was ALWAYS getting & keeping control of the oil.

[Martin Eden]

81. Bush Derangement Syndrome

Bush Derangement Syndrome is the term that wingnuts hurl whenever someone complains that GW Bush and his cohorts have not been held accountable for deliberately misrepresenting the available intelligence (aka LYING) in their predetermined agenda for taking our nation into an extremely costly and unnecessary war in Iraq.

What they fail to realize is that the REAL Bush Derangement Syndrome consists of willfully ignoring the facts in their defense of a president who betrayed the trust they placed in him while causing the needless deaths of more than 4,000 of the troops they ostensibly revere.

[James48]

83. Bastards. n/t

[UpInArms]

84. there you go again - trying to look back and hold someone - anyone - accountable

for all those things that should just be gotten over!

You know, all of that is OFF THE TABLE!

You could even get this thread locked by being a ... gasp ... reality theorist!

:bravo:

(eddit - typo)

[Fire1]

85. Marking. K&R

[HCE SuiGeneris]

86. Tick, tock

Please, let there be justice soon.

[Poboy]

87. K&R

[DirkGently]

88. More proof of what everyone knew just compounds the fact these people will NEVER PAY for this.

[nc4bo]

89. Just who the hell do we think we are going over to another country and take it down?

Who the fuck do we think we are? All this country's politicians seem to want to do is assert their control over some other country so we can steal their resources.

Such gull!! The right-wing, fundie bastards would be furious if a foreign country made plans such as this.

BTW, reading the 3 page paper and I am foaming at the mouth.

A bunch of psychotic mass murdering criminals.

I HATE that the Obama Admin. is on the same path.

Edit to sentence correct.

[Techn0Girl]

90. Of Course They Knew . Is THIS Administration calling to bring them to Justice?

Of course not.

[felix_numinous]

93. K & R

SO the message is that no matter what truth comes out, we are to sit down and shut up. We are being treated like stupid children who should not dare question authority. As I said in another thread, it is psychologically traumatic to be forced to go along with lies, especially when associated with a violent event--and for many of us the last administration felt very abusive. We witnessed a horrific event and had to endure our country being destroyed piece by piece, then having to stand by while other countries were attacked who had nothing to do with it. Most of us here knew what was going on from the start.

Every time evidence comes out about these criminals, it is like being slapped one more time and reminded who is in charge when nothing is done. The American people are being programmed to allow ourselves to suspend belief--to "not believe our lying eyes' -and the longer we go along, the crazier it gets. I am afraid to ask, what is next for us if we have to go along with this?

[DirkGently]

138. Yep. It's increasingly clear what matters is not what you do, but who you ARE when you do it.

Nixon's neurotic declaration apparently holds truer than we thought: It's not illegal when the President does it. Or the Vice President, or Republicans, or rich people or insurance companies or military contractors. But should, say, ACORN register "Donald Duck" to vote ...

[Panaconda]

95. Everybody knew

Everyone was in on it.

You ever wonder why impeachment was off the table? Cause everyone knew and to be in the know and to go along meant you too were implicated in the crime.

Go here to see much more:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB326/index.htm

[NJCher]

96. all those lives

All those young lives, snuffed out. All those families destroyed.

Also billions and billions of dollars.

And nothing will ever happen to bush or cheney. Obama does nothing.

This has permanently alienated me from this country. I will never feel the same about it.



Cher

[MissDeeds]

97. I know how you feel

And I never would have believed that a Democratic president would allow this atrocity to go unpunished.

[flyarm]

100. me either! sorry I to have to say that even. eom

[MrMickeysMom]

98. You know... it worked!

Everyone has reached their resolve.... - EVERYTHING has changed after 9/11!

[flyarm]

99. "They knew ..and so did we" ....

..and before so many human lives were taken needlessly and criminally.

And a fact I will never forget..before Bush started his illegal war of lies..more than 50% of Iraqi civilians were under the age of 15.

How many of those children are today dead?

we will never have that truth.

[Rex]

102. If only we lived in a country that cared when their Leaders become warmongering

monsters. I can dream.

[flyarm]

106. and liars and who cover up! eom

[flyarm]

105. Thank You Sabra for posting this!! My tears will last a lifetime.. but the lost lives will be gone

forever..and the families of the victims of this war of lies will live with horror forever and for generations.

and yes we all knew the truth.

No matter how many here today try to suppress truth!

Thank you dear!

fly

[orleans]

108. get over it! the past is in the past!

it's all blood under the bridge at this point.

put on your sunglasses and LOOK FORWARD!

the future's so bright we have to wear shades!! (hooray!)

(grrr...if these fuckers can't get at *least* a wrist slap over this...)
k&r btw

[Drops_not_Dope]

110. .

[David Zephyr]

111. Your 225th R and an enthusiastic kick from me, sabra

They knew. They always knew. And we knew they knew.

Now, hopefully American now knows.

[Techn0Girl]

113. That Iraq War may have been phoney...but this Afgan war , that's the real deal all right.

More lies.
More Americans die.

[veganlush]

114. yes, we knew...n/t

[neverforget]

117. Start an illegal war, kill tens of thousands of people, ruin a country and spend the

US into debt and what are the consequences?

Nothing.

And when they do it again, it's going to be worse because they know they can get away with it.

[unpossibles]

120. yet the allegedly non-partisan Teabaggers will look the other way and ignore this

and fight to impeach Obama the first chance they get.

[WCGreen]

122. And absolutely nothing has changed....

It's very disheartening to know these murderous thugs get off scott free while people who are just normal folks who get in a problem have the book thrown at them...

It's like we are living in feudal times...

[Raksha]

123. This makes me so sick I almost don't want to read the article

confirming what we've known for years. I'll never forget the day I first read the Downing Street minutes, and how the words "the intelligence and facts are being fixed around the policy" jumped off the screen at me. So now we have further confirmation from the FBI.

And STILL nothing will be done about it! Iraqis die or become refugees by the thousands, Americans die or come home with PTSD...and the murderers and traitors who lied us into this war-for-profit (theirs) get off scot-free. It makes me want to puke all over again.

[Ichingcarpenter]

125. They Knew... yet they all got Book Deals, Govt Pensions, Free healthcare...

Jobs at Universities, jobs at corporations and news organizations,
still have media credence as experts, nice homes, retirement homes,


They committed War Crimes, Crimes against Peace and yet this society still rewards them.

[Kltpzyxm]

127. Prosecute war criminals who have killed millions?

That's just "retarded"

:eyes:

[paparush]

129. "Consider Radical Ideas" [ . . . . . . . . . . . . . ]

They didn't think premeditated invasion/slaughter was radical enough?

[old mark]

130. Please - this is the era of bipartisanship and timid Democrats in Congress and in the White House...

let's be careful what we say lest we offend anyone!


Of course they knew - they are criminals, not idiots - the idiots are their supporters.

The W regime belongs in prison.

mark

[Vinca]

131. So Virginia executes a mentally disabled woman while Bush/Cheney go free.

It makes me wish there really was a Hell.

[Fire1]

132. I believe there IS indeed, a hell and there's a special place

in it just for these two.

[sinkingfeeling]

135. Funny, I didn't see any of this plastered as headlines in yesterday's papers. Wonder why?

[katandmoon]

137. While Obama's DOJ fights to stop the injunction against DADT enforcement, war criminals go free.

[Guilded Lilly]

141. Of course they knew, of course they lied, of course they are criminals.

Did anyone with half a brain REALLY think otherwise? Truly. DID ANYONE DOUBT THIS?

the cost? Billions in money, countless souls lost to grief, several countries in ruin, including parts of the U.S.A.

the accountability? NONE.

Will it ever matter?
hell no.
We went over the edge of conscience and decency a long time ago.

[Raster]

142. Thank you, Sabra for the epic thread! Hell yes they knew!

War criminals!:kick:

[txlibdem]

143. Reconvene the tribunals at the Hague

Our gov't is incapable of reeling in its sociopaths and war criminals.

[flyarm]

144. but didn't Obama just say within the past 2 weeks how much he ADMIRED GW BUSH?