Bush Admin dead set on invading Iraq? Nobody cares.

[dem mba]

Bush Admin skewed intelligence to fix their agenda? Nobody cares.

Bush Admin lies about reasons for invading Iraq to American public? Nobody cares.

Bush Admin kills untold thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq? Nobody cares.

Bush Admin OKs torture policies on prisoners? Nobody cares (until pictures wind up on CNN).

Bush Admin misstates total cost of Iraq invasion and occupation by several exponential factors? Nobody cares.

Clinton Admin lies about affair with staffer? 24/7 media coverage for over 2 years and impeachment hearings.

Obama Admin tries to reform a bloated health care industry? Obama compared to Hitler with explosive town hall meetings and rallies held across the country.


I'm so glad we have our priorities in order.

[Nite Owl]

1. This isn't new

we knew about this but the Obama Administration and the Congress wants to put the past behind us and I doubt that they will change their course. We can keep pressuring them but I doubt that it will do any good.

[WinkyDink]

2. Interesting irony: Complaints about public schools' not teaching enough, say, history.

[HughBeaumont]

3. Dumberica loved loved LOVED the Failure Fratster.

Other than sheer election fixing and a Stacked SCOTUS, I just DON'T see how this loser got two terms. SO much illegal shit. SO much fail. And yet they STILL refuse to admit what a failure he was.

[dem mba]

12. i've seen many "serious" GOP pundits now claim

that Bush wasn't a true conservative and that they were "disappointed" in his leadership. Yea, funny how they didn't see what we saw when they were in power and riding high on the hog.

[RKP5637]

17. An ignorant nation seems to love ignorant leaders, hence Bush gets a free pass and

many don't want to upset the ignorant of this nation too much. I know some that still think WMD's are really still in Iraq, and still think/thought oil paid for the war. Ignorance flies thick and heavy and has no correlation to native intelligence. Frankly, it's a national illness.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. The people in this country spend their time watching "dancing with the stars"

They don't know anything.

[RKP5637]

19. Yep, the good Germans in WWII that woke up too late. I'm really concerned

where this nation will be if these loony R's get back in...

[The_Casual_Observer]

26. All of them are talking shit. If ANY of that libertarian crap was actually

put into play there would be a god damn depression and a revolt.

[RKP5637]

28. I certainly hope that if it were put into play there would be a capability for the

citizens to react and kick them out. I've often thought the US could turn into a police state if the wrong people were in power... that they would do that to protect those having hoarded/cornered the wealth and power of the country. I certainly hope the US has enough collective intelligence to keep these damn fool republican teabaggers from grasping control of this country.

[The_Casual_Observer]

30. You know that the tea baggers would be in lock step with the police state

They'd be out there in the streets with their guns rounding up "insurgents" for them.

[RKP5637]

31. Yep, I have no doubt they would... All the teabaggers need are the right buttons

pushed in their robotic minds. And McCarthyism...

[COLGATE4]

32. Yeah, they all became 'good Germans' the minute that

Germany surrendered. How special.

[leeroysphitz]

5. We care but this isn't some new bombshell. We already knew all of this.

Heck even most republicans I know take it as read that Bush lied us into war, most figured it out years ago.

I mean we can't count on the MSM to report on important events happening NOW, how can we expect them to spend time on a decade old story?

ETA; Unless that story had something to do with Clinton's penis.

[OnyxCollie]

6. There are DUers who do not care.

They love the status quo, deferring to power, and will attack anyone who tries to force the issue.

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-Hermann Goering at the Nuremberg trials

Remember that the next time criticism of the Obama administration's choice to ignore bushcheney war crimes is met with, "Stop bashing the President. Why do you want the Democratic party to fail? You want Sarah Palin to be President."

[Curmudgeoness]

13. Your lack of patriotism is noted.

In a book. Kept in a safe. At the FBI and CIA. To keep us all safe from the likes of you.

:sarcasm:

[OnyxCollie]

16. If it's thought crimes I'm being accused of,

I plead "Guilty".

[RaleighNCDUer]

25. That's ok, you don't need to "plead" guilty to thought crimes.

Just think it.

[Curmudgeoness]

27. Lord knows what "crimes" any of us have been accused of.

Is it or is it not a crime to speak out at a public meeting. Is it or is it not a crime to participate in a protest march. Is it or is it not a crime to have a conversation with a friend about the direction of the country. And...is it or is it not a crime to think the wrong thoughts. Whew, I hope they don't have THAT technology yet!

[RKP5637]

20. Yep, all tried and true principles throughout history. In la la la America, people

seem to just love to be ignorant and embrace what is worst for them...

[area51]

39. +1 n/t

[Ghost in the Machine]

7. It was all part of the neocon/PNAC agenda...

They had been beating the war drum since the inception of PNAC in 1997. Look where some of those PNAC'ers were on 9-11.. Cheney, Rumsfeld & the ol' comb licker himself, Paul Wolfowitz....

[G_j]

8. Our opposition to Bush dwarfed the town hall/tea bag stuff.

There is no comparison.
The difference is the media coverage.

[gratuitous]

10. Priorities

Profits are far more important than the people who died. Oh, we'll give them a few precious seconds of air time if we've got nothing else to broadcast, and we'll certainly always talk about "the ultimate sacrifice" and "fighting for our freedom," but it's meaningless liturgy, bereft of a connection to reality.

[dem mba]

34. the difference is also the PR

the Tea Party is funded by well-connected GOP operatives and their organizations. They successfully cultivated grassroot support and then co-opted the movement. Hilariously, some Republican incumbents have lost out in the primaries.

According to RWers, George Soros bankrolled the anti-Bush movement. I guess his PR department just isn't as good as Dick Armey's.

[asjr]

9. We have known this for ages. Until someone in charge, be it

Justice Dept. Congress or the President does something about it the bad guys will still be free. I keep hoping an International court would file suit against them but that doesn't seem likely. Our country was held hostage for 8 years by the previous administration because they knew they would get by with it. I do wonder if Iraq would do it. They were the ones invaded. That would be delicious!

[jschurchin]

11. Exactly what would be accomplished

by bringing charges against a failed administration? "See, see WE told you stupid assholes they were a bunch of crooks!!!"

Do you really think, even for second, that that would change peoples opinion of the Bush administration? Will it bring the dead back to life? Will it replace the money that has been stolen from us by "our" elected representatives? In a word, NO.

Am I still angry at pukes for persecuting President Clinton for a blow job? Oh yeah, it's his dick, and it's none of my business what he does with it.

Am I angry with President Obama's so called health care reform? Yeah I am. Handing over Billions of dollars to insurance company's to ensure ALL Americans have basic health care isn't reform. 3,000+ health care insurance company's aren't the solution, they are the problem. Giving them our tax dollars to make sure we all have health care is bullshit. We need ONE provider. However, that's NOT gonna happen. We have REFORM, right?

Do I believe in President Obama? Very much so. He was handed a fucking mess by a corrupt, inept administration. Is he doing his best? Yes he is. Will bringing up the past do anything to solve our current mess? Sadly, NO.

[dem mba]

14. What would be accomplished?

Justice.

It ain't gonna happen, and I think by now we all know this. Ah, then again, I don't know...maybe a few more books get written by Bush Admin insiders, maybe some more documents get leaked and a lame duck Obama Admin will appoint a commission to investigate the run-up to the Iraq War in 2014 or something.

[w8liftinglady]

22. many of them have gone on to lobbying and profit.That is what kills me.

[jschurchin]

24. Justice would be nice.

However, I agree, it will not happen.

I have lost faith in Washington to do the right thing. It started with the letters and phone calls, myself and millions of other Democrats sent to our Democratic representatives, only to see them ignore us and hand their masters, Pharma, Wall Street, Big Insurance, our tax dollars. It pisses me off to no end, that our "so called" Democrats act like fucking Republcans.

[Amonester]

44. In 2014, he'll be home (collecting his pension).

And Michelle will be happy again (she probably "does not like" her current FL job, and is not happy, and he knows it, or "feels" it).

I'd like to see Alan Grayson "primary" him... :)

[OnyxCollie]

21. Exactly what would be accomplished?

How about preventing it from happening again?

Deterrence theory
http://www.umsl.edu/~keelr/200/ratchoc.html

In seeking to answer the question, "Why do people engage in deviant and/or criminal acts?", many researchers, as well as the general public, have begun to focus on the element of personal choice. An understanding of personal choice is commonly based in a conception of rationality or rational choice. These conceptions are rooted in the analysis of human behavior developed by the early classical theorists, Cesare Beccaria and Jeremy Bentham. The central points of this theory are: (1) The human being is a rational actor, (2) Rationality involves an end/means calculation, (3) People (freely) choose all behavior, both conforming and deviant, based on their rational calculations, (4) The central element of calculation involves a cost benefit analysis: Pleasure versus Pain, (5) Choice, with all other conditions equal, will be directed towards the maximization of individual pleasure, (6) Choice can be controlled through the perception and understanding of the potential pain or punishment that will follow an act judged to be in violation of the social good, the social contract, (7) The state is responsible for maintaining order and preserving the common good through a system of laws (this system is the embodiment of the social contract), (8) The Swiftness, Severity, and Certainty of punishment are the key elements in understanding a law's ability to control human behavior. Classical theory, however, dominated thinking about deviance for only a short time. Positivist research on the external (social, psychological, and biological) "causes" of crime focused attention on the factors that impose upon and constrain the rational choice of individual actors.

Keep making excuses.

[jschurchin]

35. Keep dreaming brother.

I can think of two criminals in D.C. that got prosecuted, and did any kind of significant jail time. Cunningham and Trafficant. Once you get above the Representative level, prosecutions are almost non-existent.

Think about this. Oliver North, a FUCKING TRAITOR, is a hero to some people. This is a man who sold our armaments to our enemy. He did a grand total of ZERO fucking days in prison.

North was charged with several felonies and convicted of three, but the convictions were later vacated, and the underlying charges dismissed due to the limited immunity agreement granted for his pre-trial public Congressional testimony about the affair.<1>

I don't make excuses, I face facts. And the fact is, NONE of these CRIMINALS will be prosecuted. Perhaps you need to wake up from your dream.

[OnyxCollie]

37. "Once you get above the Representative level..."

That no longer applies. See: Tom DeLay.

Courtesy of the politicized DoJ that Obama hasn't done shit about.

[jschurchin]

38. I did check out Tom Delay.

In August 2010, the United States Department of Justice notified DeLay that they were closing the case file against him without bringing an indictment.<1>

And I agree Onyx, the DOJ no matter the administration is a dog without teeth. Especially when it comes to the criminal cabal in Washington.

Criminals are in charge of the prison, and it appears, we the wardens, can't do anything about it.

[ThomCat]

33. Prosecuting war crimes is important!

Ignoring those crimes condones those crimes. Silence = approval.

Especially when this administration is continuing so many of the policies of the former administration. Rendition, torture, right to spy on Americans, the mess that is homeland security, etc.

Making excuses to rationalize why an administration is approving of prior crimes and participating in continuing some of them does nobody any good.

It certainly doesn't end any of those crimes or prevent any of them from recurring. Isn't that what we want, to end the crimes and make sure they can't happen again? And don't we want crimes exposed to the light of day, and those who have committed crimes to pay for the crimes they have committed? :(

Since when is ignoring a crime one of the goal of justice?

[Atticus]

42. DUPE---please delete

Bush was the chief Executive Officer in the United States and was totally responsible for enforcing our laws and upholding our constitution. Instead, George W. Bush violated numerous federal statutes having to do with the invasion of Iraq and his prosecution of that war. Further, he wiped his skanky ass on our constitution.

That is the constitution and the system of laws that millions of Americans have fought to protect and for which hundreds of thousands have died.

And, George Bush and his people called that US Constitution a "goddamn piece of paper" and they just totally ignored it whenever that served their purpose. They spied on us---opened our mail, read our e-mail and even searched some of our underwear drawers without a warrant. They imprisoned US citizens for years without even filing charges against them or allowing them an attorney. They tortured prisoners of war---in our name and contrary to US and international law. And, of course, they lied us into a totally unjustifiable and unnecessary illegal war.

"What would be accomplished" by prosecuting the Bush administration criminals?

Nothing at all---unless you believe that we should REALLY be a nation of laws, not men.

Nothing at all---unless you believe that, in our nation, wealth, power and privilege do not place you above the law.

Nothing at all---unless you want to deter similar conduct by other unprincipled thugs in the future.

We send Martha Stewart and Tommy Chong to prison but Bush gets a pass?

Hell, Charlie Manson didn't actually personally kill anyone either. Should we let him out, too?

[Atticus]

43. What would be accomplished"? That is a truly amazing question.

Bush was the chief Executive Officer in the United States and was totally responsible for enforcing our laws and upholding our constitution. Instead, George W. Bush violated numerous federal statutes having to do with the invasion of Iraq and his prosecution of that war. Further, he wiped his skanky ass on our constitution.

That is the constitution and the system of laws that millions of Americans have fought to protect and for which hundreds of thousands have died.

And, George Bush and his people called that US Constitution a "goddamn piece of paper" and they just totally ignored it whenever that served their purpose. They spied on us---opened our mail, read our e-mail and even searched some of our underwear drawers without a warrant. They imprisoned US citizens for years without even filing charges against them or allowing them an attorney. They tortured prisoners of war---in our name and contrary to US and international law. And, of course, they lied us into a totally unjustifiable and unnecessary illegal war.

"What would be accomplished" by prosecuting the Bush administration criminals?

Nothing at all---unless you believe that we should REALLY be a nation of laws, not men.

Nothing at all---unless you believe that, in our nation, wealth, power and privilege do not place you above the law.

Nothing at all---unless you want to deter similar conduct by other unprincipled thugs in the future.

We send Martha Stewart and Tommy Chong to prison but Bush gets a pass?

Hell, Charlie Manson didn't actually personally kill anyone either. Should we let him out, too?

[katandmoon]

15. Obama's DOJ shrugs. But goes after whistleblowers.

[sad sally]

18. The history of great events in this world is scarcely more than the history of crimes.

[RKP5637]

23. Excellent Comment IMO!!! n/t

[galileoreloaded]

29. What a Sad Sally......wait.........n/t

[HughMoran]

36. People do care

...they just care more about their day-to-day lives and recovering from this present downturn.

[24Fan]

40. W rides off into the sunset

And they all ride off into the sunset ----- George, Condy, Dick, Rove, Feith, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc ., knowing that they will never have to answer for their actions. And the American people like dull sheep watch their favorite TV programs. And the mainstream media stumbles on in its hapless, futile way.

[Supersedeas]

45. the sunset comes complete with book publications and museum pieces

[Bluebear]

41. Obama's DOJ doesn't care. Why should anyone else? nt

[JackRiddler]

46. Untrue. More people cared about these things than currently populate the bogus "Tea Party"

It was the media coverage that made it seem the way you portray it.