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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 04:52 PM
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Zuckerberg's $100 million gift to NJ schools has really big strings attached.
The rich and powerful are bringing about change in education by donating huge amounts with strings attached that will benefit the new school "reformers". These "reformers" have been given much power since Arne Duncan became Secretary of Education.

The New York Times discusses Zuckerberg's gift and some of the implications. He will announce it on Oprah's show tomorrow with Governor Christie there as well.

Facebook Founder to Donate $100 Million to Help Remake Newark’s Schools

Note the use of the word "remake". It's about charter schools and mayoral control. When a mayor is given complete control of the public school system, it bypasses the school boards and ignores the voices of the community. But as Arne says....it makes change easier.

Mark Zuckerberg, chief executive and a founder of Facebook, has agreed to donate $100 million to improve the long-troubled public schools in Newark, and Gov. Chris Christie will cede some control of the state-run system to Mayor Cory A. Booker in conjunction with the huge gift, officials said Wednesday.

The three men plan to announce the arrangement on Friday on the “Oprah Winfrey Show.”


The changes would not formally relax the legal power the state seized in 1995, when it declared Newark’s schools a failure and took control of the system, replacing the elected school board with a mostly toothless advisory board. Rather, Mr. Christie plans to give the mayor a major role in choosing a new superintendent and redesigning the system, but to retain the right to take control back.


They will announce their "arrangement", as in done deed.

There has been speculation that Michelle Rhee might end up in NJ. It appears Christie is assuming big powers over schools there.

Less than a month ago, the governor informed the city’s schools superintendent, Clifford B. Janey, that he would not be rehired, and that the state was looking for a successor. There has been speculation in Trenton about the possibility of hiring Michelle A. Rhee, the hard-charging schools chief in Washington, whose political patron, Mayor Adrian M. Fenty, recently lost his bid for re-election.

Officials said Mr. Christie planned to announce that he and Mr. Booker would jointly select a new superintendent, a decision the governor has the power to make on his own. And they said he would instruct the mayor to come up with a reform plan for the system: in effect, asking Mr. Booker to redesign it.


Agreed it is easier to get school "reform" done if just a few people have the power to do it.

And the big money helps the equation.

Remember how when teachers say the schools need more funding and resources? We hear everyone shout that "throwing money at schools" doesn't solve anything.

Yet it seems to be okay when it is billionaires doing it.

PR Experts Debate Mark Zuckerberg's $100 Million Gift to Newark Schools

"From a brand image standpoint, this is phenomenal for both Zuckerberg and Corey Booker," said John Barker, president of Manhattan-based advertising and branding agency Barker/DZP and a resident of nearby Westfield, N.J. "And the generosity of the gift is astonishing. But the timing is suspect, given the upcoming movie plus Zuckerberg's lack of any connection to the city."

"And ironically, Newark already spends 42% more per student than the New Jersey average -- over $4000 per student more than districts like Millburn and Tenafly, which are the best in the state," Barker said. "For those of us who live in New Jersey and applaud what Booker is doing, that money might be much better spent creating an entrepreneurial enterprise zone around the fabulous new Prudential Center."

"Throwing money at the schools hasn't worked yet, but rebuilding the economy of the city would mean lasting change," Barker said.


Unfortunately "throwing money" does most definitely bring "reform" when billionaires do with strings attached.

Oprah to host N.J. Gov. Christie, Newark Mayor Booker for $100M school gift by Facebook CEO

There must be more charter schools and more mayoral control, which takes a lot of decisions away from the local boards.

Christie and Booker will proclaim that the long-troubled Newark schools, which have been under state control for 15 years, are going to be placed under Booker’s authority. Together, Booker and the school system will embark on a massive program of educational change long opposed by teachers unions.

It will include an expansion of charter schools, new achievement standards and methods for judging which schools and teachers are effective, the sources said. The announcement was confirmed by a third person with knowledge of Booker and Christie’s arrangements. The sources detailed the plans on the condition they not be identified because they were not authorized to go public before Friday's show.

...."The reordering of the state's largest school district will be made possible by a challenge grant of $100 million from Zuckerberg, the 26-year-old billionaire who co-founded Facebook. The grant is an invitation for others to become donors - with a goal of raising another $100 million, bringing the total gift to $200 million. The grant from Zuckerberg alone amounts to more than 10 percent of the district’s annual budget.


The claim is that he is giving it to public schools, yet it only is given if things are done the way Zuckerberg, Christie, and Booker prefer. Which is what Arne prefers, and so on up the chain of command.

The Billionaire Boy's club is gaining more and more power over the school system by literally, it seems, buying control of it.

AMY GOODMAN: Diane Ravitch, we said at the top of this segment that the Department of Education announced sixteen finalists for its first round of the “Race to the Top” competition. They’re going to deliver something like $4.35 billion in school reform grants. And the Washington Post is reporting almost all of these finalists got money from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. In your book, chapter ten is called “The Billionaire Boys Club.” Explain.

DIANE RAVITCH: “The Billionaires Boys Club” is a discussion of how we’re in a new era of the foundations and their relation to education. We have never in the history of the United States had foundations with the wealth of the Gates Foundation and some of the other billionaire foundations—the Walton Family Foundation, The Broad Foundation. And these three foundations—Gates, Broad and Walton—are committed now to charter schools and to evaluating teachers by test scores. And that’s now the policy of the US Department of Education. We have never seen anything like this, where foundations had the ambition to direct national educational policy, and in fact are succeeding.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 05:08 PM
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1. Unlike.
Particularly the part about the Dragon Lady ending up in the Garden State. :scared:
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 05:12 PM
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2. Who are they going to blame
when nothing changes except the staff they keep rotating in and out every year? When I worked in charter schools, our principal told the entire staff it was great because they could hire and fire as they saw fit. They told us this as we waited to see if our students' scores would be good enough to be asked back again. Fucking unreal.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 05:18 PM
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3. Of course it did--but dangerously uncritically thinking Oprah and
her uncritically thinking lapdogs will starry-eyededly weep and pray and lap it up and praise him mightily while my son's school can't afford to present a Band performance but once this year.

Fuckers.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 05:25 PM
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4. Also known as accountability for the 100 million -accountability in gov isn't bad
Nor if you are giving someone a 100 million. The schools are free to refuse it
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 05:36 PM
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6. Looks like Christie is making the decisions.
Teachers and individual schools really have little to say much anymore.

It is your right to agree with the buying out of education, it is my right to disagree.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 06:48 PM
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56. otherwise known as dollar dictatorship, aka fascism
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 05:26 PM
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5. Newark is free to refuse the money
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 05:58 PM
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7. And the Facebook guy is free to not be a massive douche
... but it is easier to blame the victim I guess.
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tech9413 Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:12 PM
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12. Not a chance. Booker was elected through the support
of Wall St big shots. He either has to screw up royally and piss off the community, or cost the hedge fund vipers money. I used to work supporting the Newark schools until 01. The biggest problems to getting things done were lack of funds, mostly lost to incompetent/corrupt appointments. Then there were the grand ideas of building "showcase schools" where twice the budget for a year of the district operating budget went to providing equipment and systems for one building that would never be used.

One of my co-workers took a job with them in buildings & grounds. This kid only had a HS education and didn't make more than $40K a year but saved them at least $4M the first year he was there. He didn't last too long because he couldn't live in the "go along-get along" world of political patronage.

The same thing will happen on steroids with charter schools. Some friend of a friend will sell some pie in the sky concept and make a big chunk of change. Then some other friend will be contracted to do the work and get paid whether it works or not.

I've worked on too many publicly funded projects over the decades to miss the fact that no one does anything in a low income community, or anywhere else unless there's a buck to be made.

If these magnanimous souls really wanted to help the poor children of Newark, they would only have one string attached. Full quarterly accounting by a truly independent auditor with serious enforcement authorization and fines and penalties that match the damage done.

On the flip side they could spend the money to lobby for more equitable funding, commitment to oversight, and long term monitoring of results.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 07:30 AM
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26. kr
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 06:17 PM
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8. Why does Oprah fall for this junk?
I'm surprised that she doesn't talk to the teachers about this...
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 06:31 PM
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9. For the same reason she supports Jenny McCarthy: She's a fool.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 08:59 AM
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27. When it comes to Oprah, two words come to mind:

Dr. Phil

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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:23 AM
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32. She's as easily led as her supporters--and that makes her dangerous. nt
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:24 AM
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33. Dupe. nt
Edited on Fri Sep-24-10 09:25 AM by blondeatlast
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:05 AM
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36. She's a BILLIONAIRE with the exact same pretensions to reform.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 06:49 PM
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57. because she's bought & always has been.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 06:50 PM
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10. Cory Booker & DFER, shaping elections to exact school deform in NJ--since 2007
http://www.dfer.org/posts/blog/index.php?page=52


June 6, 2007
Big Wins for Booker (and DFER) in Newark

In addition to being our official launch, yesterday was New Jersey’s primary election day. Dems for Ed Reform worked with Newark Mayor Cory Booker to support six pro-reform challengers to incumbent legislators – four Assemblymen and two Senators. Historically, incumbents in New Jersey are considered invulnerable, especially in their primaries. But Cory convinced us that this pattern could be broken, and DFER members contributed more than a quarter of the total cost of the campaigns.

Late last night, when the votes were in, we learned that our slate had won five of the six seats, some by only a few votes. This is an unprecedented result, and it means that Cory Booker and education reform have an important block of support in the state legislature now, support that will be crucial as Cory begins to make revolutionary changes in Newark.

Posted by Joe Williams on June 6, 2007 3:51 PM


http://www.nysun.com/new-york/school-reform-group-hails-jersey-victories/56031/

School Reform Group Hails Jersey Victories


The Democrats for Education Reform gave money to a slate of six candidates backed by Newark Mayor Cory Booker, covering about a quarter of their campaign costs, a co-founder of the group said. At least four of them won, beating incumbent opponents.

The group aims to shape the Democratic Party's position on education, pushing openness to innovations like charter schools and merit-based teacher pay.

Its founders learned about the New Jersey victories at their Tuesday night launch party, the co-founder who hosted the event, Ravenel Boykin Curry IV, said. Mr. Curry sent an e-mail message to supporters yesterday morning notifying them of the wins.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 08:05 PM
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11. And there is DFER Watch...just because they need watching.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:36 PM
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14. I don't know if this is related, but it's interesting.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:27 PM
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13. May as well take it, strings and all
What they're doing currently in Newark just isn't working.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 09:45 PM
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15. The naysayers on this post are unbelievable. Now attacking Cory Booker because he
is accepting 100 million for his city and school children?????? Is this a democratic board??? I have to wonder or is it being taken over by paid union employees with their own agenda?

I can't believe there is not one good thing charter schools have accomplished. And contrary to popular belief, nobody wants to fire their employees unless they are unproductive.
There is an irrational tinge to all of the posters against the movie "Waiting for Superman" and the concept behind it. Maybe if we could have a civil dialog and agree that some ideas are working and others are not we could come up with the best solutions. Instead we just have people tearing down any different idea because it isn't the old way of doing business.

Maybe you need to be introduced to the definition of insanity.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:13 PM
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18. Insanity? Paid union employees? Irrational tinge?
Amazing.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 12:13 AM
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22. The more I read your post....
The more it offends me. It's like you never read anything I or other teachers post....just react.

Kind of sad, but it is offensive to me to see those words.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 06:29 PM
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 01:21 AM
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23. Wow...
Let's try a little analysis, using really small words and simple concepts, shall we?

First of all, those of us who are voicing concerns about Arne Duncan, Bill Gates, Michelle Rhee, and their ilk have consistently identified these people's take on 'what's wrong with public education' as misleading and simplistic. Asserting that 'bad teachers' and 'villainous unions' are the reasons why education is failing our children ignores the complex and interrelated economic and sociocultural problems that have plagued public education for the past forty-plus years.

Second, those of us who are voicing concerns about Arne Duncan, Bill Gates, Michelle Rhee, and their ilk have consistently questioned these people's truthiness, given such examples of deceit as Rhee asserting that it's almost impossible to fire bad teachers, but within minutes bragging that she has fired over a thousand teachers. Furthermore, both Arne and Michelle have misrepresented 'tenure' as a lifetime guarantee of a teaching position, and those of us who are voicing concerns have pointed out this misrepresentation before.

Third, those of us who are voicing concerns about Arne Duncan, Bill Gates, Michelle Rhee and their ilk have cautioned that charter schools are cherry-picking their students to insure that they can generate impressive statistics to support their contention that charter schools are better than public schools at educating our youth. Furthermore, most charter schools serve a particular population or create programs to appeal to specific groups, such as the charters that promise to teach creationism. Charter schools tend to promote inequality, particularly when they predominantly serve the needs of wealthier communities while disallowing attendance by special needs students, or low-income students.

I strongly encourage you to consider the agenda that has motivated Guggenheim's piece of propaganda. In considering the agenda, please try not to confuse awareness of said agenda with any alleged blanket denial that there are serious problems threatening our system of public education, no matter how seductive it feels to stand on your moral high ground.

While blaming and shaming Weingarten, Rhee, Gates, OR Guggenheim will NOT move us closer to rescuing public education and propelling it firmly into the 21st century, blaming 'bad teachers' and 'villainous unions' for the sad state of public education--a strategy that is both simplistic and misleading--will NOT save our seriously imperiled system of education.

Our nation has routinely underfunded and disrespected public education, a reality that is manifestly apparent when one considers the fact that fully 40% of our adult population is functionally illiterate. Over the past four decades, this nation's teachers have struggled to educate our children in the face of underfunding (I cannot tell you how many hundreds of pencils, protractors and reams of paper I've supplied to my students out-of-pocket), bad administrators (like one principal I had who publicly berated an eighth grader for doing his history project on Ray Kroc and the McDonald's corporation--because "what does McDonald's have to do with history?"!), overcrowded classrooms (we've seen historically that too many students in a classroom doesn't work at all), standardized testing (research routinely illustrates NO correlation between academic skills and 'high' test scores), disintegrating school buildings (yes, I grant you, children can learn they have to go two halls down and to the left to find a functioning bathroom), and this list could go on and on (bad food, no physical education, no art, no music, etc., ad nauseum). Are there bad teachers? Yes. Are bad teachers THE reason our schools are failing? NO!

I haven't even touched on public education's elephant in our collective living room: POVERTY. For many of our children, school represents the one environment within which they will get fed, nurtured, and encouraged. Children who live in poverty will rarely be welcomed by a charter school.

I suggest you explore the reams of data already extant and offer your rebuttals from an informed perspective. Otherwise, you join the growing number of easily influenced, intellectually challenged individuals eagerly lapping up the red herrings du jour about public education.

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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 11:57 AM
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41. You have not read all of my posts. I do not deny that the public school system
is underfunded and that changes need to be made. However, I think most teachers and all who have studied the schools system can agree that parental involvement is the difference between a failing
school and a successful one. That is the one variable, regardless of resources that makes or breaks a school and the success of the children.

Now that tackles the issue of poverty and uneducated parents. Fixing these these is not going to happen for the children now if ever. These inner city charters based on the SEED school, take
all kids based on lottery, not academic skill or level. They put these children in an environment Mon. - Fri. that is conducive to success. Round the clock tutors, set schedules etc. This is going to break the poverty loop for these children. They have 100% graduation rate last year and 87% college matriculation. The parents of the these failing inner city schools on average do not have the education themselves to help their children with homework, are overworked or uninterested.

I am not blaming bad teachers, they are a small part of the dysfunctional problem. It does stand to reason that the best teachers are going to the best schools and poor teachers are being shuffled
to the poorest schools. This is not an attack on teachers. Our system and parents are failing our children. Why then, is it hard to look at the SEED program objectively and say it is breaking the chain
of poverty if we can give children the self esteem and academic success needed to survive in this world. These children will give their children better etc. I don't understand the virulent animosity
towards Cory Booker and anyone else trying to save the children of today. There would be no one pure enough to satisfy this group. When I see attacks on Booker for taking this money and the challenge of helping the school system now, I know that something has gone askew.

I have explored the problem of our failing school system, and I am not lapping up red herrings. Maybe I am not as emotionally tied to one side winning vs. the other. I am also not emotionally invested in what the unions are supporting. I am for the children of today. I have children, and I am fortunate to live in a great school district where most families have one parent at home and there is
plenty of school involvement. That being said, I am sad that in our society there is a group of children that are throw aways, and they are the guiniea pigs for your ideological purity.

Maybe you should visit the SEED school and get a different perspective. Talk to those kids and those parents and find out how they feel about it, before you tear down something that is giving hope
to so many.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 12:43 PM
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44. hmm...
I take issue with the fact that these isolated, well-funded experiments in education are used to denigrate--and, eventually, dismantle--our system of public education. I take issue with the fact that the proponents of this initiatve are routinely vilifying teachers and teachers unions as a means of garnering support for their rather inconsistent approach to 'improving' public education.

On one point we are in complete agreement. I do appreciate efforts to advocate for our children. However, I would like those efforts to be grounded in respect, rather than corrosive, misleading condemnation of 'bad teachers' and 'villainous unions.'
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 03:40 PM
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49. SEED is nothing "new"!
Edited on Sat Sep-25-10 03:41 PM by Sancho
For 100 years of public education there have been "lab schools", "normal schools", "charter schools" , "demonstration schools", "magnet schools", "fundamental schools" and all sorts of wonderful examples of school organization, experimental curriculums, and new methods. You can find them with different labels every decade from the beginning of the 20th century. SEED or any other special effort may work for a while or attract a good staff or select students to target some standard-du-jour. So what?

None of those things address the real issue - that many of the best teachers don't stay in teaching. The teachers who do stay are often in difficult situations. Even if a good teacher in a difficult situation does a great job, there is often little recognition because the teacher's goal is not the same as the external gods who constantly set a moving target. Schools today face today's problems: ESOL, special education, technology, etc. and there's no reason except money and desire that almost all schools can't deal with the challenge. Even social problems can be improved with community centers or the kind of experiments like SEED that you cite. Why don't ALL schools have resources to do what needs to be done? Why aren't all schools SEED schools?

The hidden purpose of many politicians and millionaires who get involved in tearing down education is often nefarious. They want to find a way to siphon off public money; they have a value agenda that they want to force on kids; or they simply don't like public programs that work! Some of the interlopers want segregated schools and social engineering.

Public education works well for most people and has for generations of Americans. Unions are not the problem, and the vast majority of teachers are not the problem. You can get rid of bad teachers, and the Dept. of Ed. in every state can tell you the number of teachers whose contracts were non-renewed for cause or certificates revoked. In Florida, a union state, that number was several thousand last year.

Rhee is full of bull - if she can't fire a truly bad teacher then she is a bad administrator or else she doesn't want to follow due process! In my observation, many building administrators are really ineffective leaders (and bullies) and that usually causes the confrontations that end up in legal challenges. Cleaning house on Principals and Superintendents and Supervisors and replacing them ALL with experienced teachers would be an experiment that would be worth doing in Washington DC or Newark, NJ!

If these rich folks want teachers to "sacrifice" as Cory Booker and other politicians suggest, they should start by raising their taxes to pre-1980 levels and earmark the increase to schools, not war! The US is a rich country, and for 60 years we've wasted enough money on weapons that we could have built a school on every street corner in just about every country in the world.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 12:03 PM
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42. "There is an irrational tinge to all of the posters against the movie "Waiting for Superman"
You keep saying things like that about people like me who defend public education.

And you get away with it free and clear.

It is amazing.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:05 PM
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16. Cory Booker (a fitting name indeed) is a likely challenger to Christie
Sad.
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gscraig Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:12 PM
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17. do they have a right to make demands with their money?
So there are a lot of reforms being tried in education these days, and it might not be a bad idea to try as many different things as possible, if we can also find ways to judge outcomes, to see what works the best. Perhaps these aren't the right moves, but the only way to find out is to try some different things.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:14 PM
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19. Yes, he who has the money controls things. Bottom line.
Hey, if that is what the people want, and apparently it is....then let the billionaires buy out the school systems as we sit and insult teachers constantly.

Yes, if they are very rich they have a right to do anything they want.

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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-23-10 10:21 PM
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20. Yes, but school boards are the same
They control the money now and always have. it's insane!
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 12:10 AM
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21. I am betting
FIVE THOUSAND DOLLARS, that we won't hear any teachers' voices of dissent on Oprah's show tomorrow.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 04:57 AM
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24. What happens when the Billionaires Boys Club
gets bored with remaking our schools and decides they've found something else more interesting to make over in their own image and walk away from funding these charter schools?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:07 AM
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37. They will not so get. Students are a "product" without obsolescence = $$$$$$$$$.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 06:43 PM
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55. Good point. They will walk away if things are not done their way.
They already threatened to pull funding from DC if Rhee did not stay.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 05:03 AM
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25. And he has the audacity to call it a donation.
It is an attempt to buy the future education of society by unearned wealth.

Yea, I noticed him.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:00 AM
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28. Get used to noticing him a lot more. Mr. Facebook will soon be sprinkling his wealth all over.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:05 AM
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29. How is his wealth unearned?
He made up facebook. It is free to use. People like it. Advertisers give him money to advertise there. He created a thing people like and people gave him money to do it.

Would you say Jerry Garcia or whoever invented PacMan also did not earn their wealth?
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:01 AM
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34. hmm...
Maybe he meant 'undeserved wealth'...
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:33 AM
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39. The question stands.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 12:35 PM
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43. I was
being facetious.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 06:22 PM
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47. It is a flaw in the system that gave him more then his work actually did.
By advances in tech, the ability for one person to be seen by many has increased at a level above the actual work done.

So where some individual person could write a news paper and have 1000 subscribers a few centuries ago, and make some money based on that subscriber base, now an individual person can have millions of subscribers.

The work is the same, but tech has leveraged the money that is given by the system.

So he made some of the money by work, but some of it by an aberration in the system created by tech allowing for bigger megaphones for individuals.

Either a news paper editor in the 1800 hundreds was underpaid, or people like him are overpaid. They both do the same work, yet the pay is dramatically different. So you have to decide what pay is closer to accurate for work done.

That is why higher taxes on wealthy people make even more sense now then they did years ago, since the system is out of balance by things like greater ability to communicate by a few individuals.




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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 06:39 AM
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48. Meet William Randolph Hurst
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst>

Running media companies have always been lucrative. Even if they die mumbling about sleds.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:08 AM
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30. It might be worth the risk.

This could be good for Newark's kids, and Booker as politician. High stakes indeed.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 09:21 AM
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31. K & R nt
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:04 AM
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35. Usurping Public Education, One Bribe At a Time. THANK YOU, OBAMA.
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sulphurdunn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 10:23 AM
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38. I suppose some poor people in this country are still
just property to rich ones.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 11:35 AM
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40. No man should be so rich he has nothing left to buy but his government.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 03:13 PM
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46. +1
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-10 03:12 PM
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45. Before we conclude that throwing money at public schools doesn't work...
...we ought to try it at least once. :(




I mean public funds to support public schools, in case that is not clear. To get those funds we can always raise taxes on Zuckerberg.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 06:47 PM
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51. Whatever the arguments, this is bound to be a good thing for
the students there. And, it is the students for whom I am concerned. There may be things to learn from this down the road. A man donates a bunch of money. Some kids benefit. I guess I can't see the issue here. Some kids will get a better education. That's a good thing.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 06:55 PM
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52. Not is his way is the wrong way. Big money will control the agenda
But that is fine with most people. They are not even paying attention.

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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 07:15 PM
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53. In New Jersey, there are huge problems with the schools.
Edited on Sat Sep-25-10 07:28 PM by MineralMan
This money will help some number of students do better, I have no doubt. Schools are for the students. If they are helped, I will be very happy that this money was donated. You may feel differently. I have no idea.

This infusion of funds may well be very instructive as to how important funding is to success for the students.

Students. Students. Students. Little else matters if the students don't learn.

You can protest this generous donation all you want. For me, if the money helps a group of students achieve, then it's money well spent. That is the bottom line of education, in my opinion. Everything else is secondary. I wish I could make a similar donation to the Saint Paul School District. Sadly, I can't. I can just pay my property taxes and do what I can for individual kids I can help.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-25-10 07:57 PM
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54. I was only a teacher.
I never cared about students. I only cared about myself. I don't think I need the sarcasm tag.

I think the billionaires care so much more about students than teachers do. Right?

And their buying the school system and hiring cheaper teachers will surely work better. Right?

I find it insulting for Democrats to act as though teachers have no sense, do not care about students, are only out for themselves....and for Democrats to allow billionaires like Zuckerberg to force schools to conform to what he wants with big money.

But that's how it goes now.

:shrug:
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