Ok... I lost it a bit today.

[sellitman]

This was written to a friend after she sent me a You Tube vid that was a rant against Obama killing the Constitution. One of their most common assinine charges. It set me off and away I went....


What has he done to destroy the Constitution? I really want to know. I don't get it. Please enlighten me. I've heard this from such luminaries as Glenn Beck & Rush Limbaugh but I never hear of the facts behind the claims. 
The Republican Tea Party has claimed the same. 

I am confused. Did they holler when bush eavesdropped on America and changed the laws on privacy? Did they complain when Liberal Protesters were put in "Free Amendment Zones"? Did they complain when he claimed the  "Unitary Executive"   claim? When he made more signing statements in 8 years than all the rest of our Presidents combined? I don't recall hearing from them?

Was it because bush was "White"? 

Now they want their country back huh? Well they had it for 8 years and fucked it up pretty good. They don't get it back again if I can help it. 

Can't call him a ( N- Word ) but they can question his birth and his religion. I get it, if you don't. 

Your party has turned into raving lunatics who have lost their way. I would be upset if I were you. 

They vilify people like me who are getting unemployment compensation yet they want to keep Tax breaks for those who earn over $250k /yr.

They are  politically and morally bankrupt and you are not voting for YOUR better interests by voting for them.

Cheers! 

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. Well said!

I think you should lose it more often...

Just sayin'...

Recommended.

[WillyT]

2. Hee Heee.... K & R !!!

:bounce::yourock::bounce:

:evilgrin:

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

:hi:

[NNN0LHI]

3. Recommended because that is the way we have to talk to these asshole

[bobburgster]

78. You took the words right out of my mouth!

I think if we all "lost it" like you......we might actually see results.

[Mz Pip]

4. They are good at soundbites

but the specifics not so much.

WTF does "I want my country back!!!!" really mean??? Seriously, please enlighten me.

And people want more of this? People want to vote for more hyperbolic rhetoric?

...I looked at the charts and my taxes are going up under the GOP plan. Guess they've got to pay for the breaks for the rich guys from someplace.

[ckimmy57]

76. Country back

When I hear them say "I want my country back" I take it they are saying they want it back from "that black guy". They are a bunch of ignorant racist pigs who think their lilly white asses are better then "everybody" (meaning the "black people" shh) else's. They make me sick.

[Beartracks]

97. Whoa, wait... The GOP has a plan?? n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

99. Guys, we have got to get the message through!!!!!!

we are not getting our message through!


Republicans want to get rid of medicare
they want to privatize your firefighters, your public library - they hate government they LOVE corporations who go bankrupt.

[Cal33]

119. You are right. But how do we really get through to reach enough

people? One way would be to contact our local news media and threaten them with organized
boycotts of radio, tv, newspapers, mags if they continue to publish lies or support measures that
are destructive to the middle-class American people. As you know, 90% of news media are
Republican-owned.

There was one occasion I have heard of people boycotting those businesses that were advertizing
on Glenn Beck's show, and it worked. Many stopped advertizing. Let's try making it nationwide,
and keep it up permanently.

Republicans love money. Threaten them with loss of money, and carry out the threats when
they refuse to cooperate. Hit them where it hurts. This has already been shown to work.

[Curmudgeoness]

5. I'm sorry you had to say it, but you said it well. nt

[eleny]

6. You make a lot of sense even when you lose it - K&R!

[PoliticAverse]

7. Facts?

"I've heard this from such luminaries as Glenn Beck & Rush Limbaugh but I never hear of the facts behind the claims."

Going to Beck and Limbaugh for facts is like Rick Blaine going to Casablanca for the waters.

The William F Buckleys have been replaced by evangelists and entertainers and faith and catchwords have replaced facts and arguments.

[seabeyond]

8. you GOTTA let us know if there is a response. good going. nt

[sellitman]

19. She asked why I "went off the deep end".

She is a "friend" so I didn't stick the knife in further.

It's getting harder and harder to have any RWNJ's as friends though.

Hard to smile and be disgusted at once.

[seabeyond]

23. gosh, i so hear that. nt

[Beartracks]

98. You didn't go off the deep end...

You're hollering at her from shore, trying to warn of her of rapids.

-------------------------

[Arctic Dave]

9. "They can't call him the N-word", but I have noticed they don't hesitate

to call you an "Obama lover", which very reminiscent of the days gone by saying "n@$ger lover".

[Spazito]

10. Great rant!

Well done, you nailed their hypocrisy AND their racism.

Recommended.

[Jokinomx]

11. Bravo.... Well put!! Thank you for taking a stand.

:toast:

[Contrary1]

12. An facebook acquaintance is blaming Obama for lost jobs at Cape Kennedy...

Back in 2004, Bush ordered that the shuttle program be discontinued by 2010.

Idiots...all of them.

[gaspee]

13. My stepfather

who is not the sharpest knife in the drawer blames Clinton for the closure of Electric Boat/Quonset Point (Seawolf) when it was Cheney who killed the sub program under Bush I. I have shown him proof, yet he doesn't believe me. These people do not live in reality.

[RandomThoughts]

14. "These people do not live in reality." you don't get it.

Everyone who is in a position of power is given a ton of delusions to try to keep them out of reality to keep them from thinking on topics that actually matter.


Seriously, there are many of the delusions. You can rationally work your way out of them, but most with any influence instead follow some set script they are given, and then they think they can not make a choice.

It is difficult to break the chains, and move between streams, and still choose what you think, but many actually do it.


Here is an example of how it works.

Borg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VwAln8rkvk

[druidity33]

15. I've read your posts ...

and 99% of the time you make absolutely no sense. Is that intentional?

:shrug:

[COLGATE4]

36. Thank you!!! I thought it was only me!

[HughBeaumont]

54. Er . . .

. . . just nod . . .

That's what everyone else does. ;)

[xxqqqzme]

63. I see the DU name

and figure the posts just support it. I read the posts and knit my brow, shrug my shoulders and move on.

[RandomThoughts]

89. Read the title of the post, it explains what you just posted.

[elehhhhna]

90. finally, someone said it. Kudos & + 1,000

[RandomThoughts]

101. heh, actually they been saying it all along.

If they were silent, these very stones would cry out.

[elehhhhna]

108. i enjoy your posts, regardless.

[Papa Boule]

16. Bob Altemeyer has the best explanation of their personalities, I think

Check out his remarks on the Tea Party movement. http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

In my opinion, Altemeyer explains best what they are; Alice Miller, in her books, explains best why they are what they are.

[mysticalchick]

24. Thank you for posting the TeaBagger update

I didn't know he had put one out - his book made total sense of what was going on during Cheney/Bush and I'm very interested in his update.

We are headed for a long car trip next week - think I will get the audio download of the Authoritarians and listen on the way.

Thanks again!

[vduhr]

33. Every time I read threads like this.....

I always think of Altemeyer's book (I actually have the hard copy). I go back to his website frequently to check for any new remarks he may have posted there. His study is not an answer to the problem, since these "authoritarian followers" do not listen to anyone but their chosen authoritarian figures, but it's at least an explanation for their sickness. My sister is an authoritarian follower, and about a year and a half ago, she had forwarded a couple of e-mails that she received from a friend of hers (that friend faithfully listens to Rush, Beck and Faux News). One of the e-mails she had sent me contained the infamous 'Obama said he is a Muslim' video. I really laid into her and she now realizes that the video was edited and therefore a scam, and she no longer listens to what her friend tells her. What is so strange is that my sister admits that she doesn't follow politics and she doesn't vote (thank goodness). I always tell her that is good she doesn't vote if she doesn't follow politics. But is she an example of most of these tea baggers'? Very likely she is. I've noticed that when any of them are challenged for an explanation or answer, they never have one. They never have their own opinion, they only spew talking points they've heard from Beck, O'Reilly, Rush and the like.

[sellitman]

20. Bingo!

They are all "Reality challenged".

[Dappleganger]

22. My husband's first job out of college

was working on the bow plane design of the Seawolf at Newport News Shipbuilding when they were in competition with EB for the contract. Long story short, obviously NNS lost the bid and in one day laid off 1800 people. Our first born was 2 weeks old at the time.

[malaise]

17. Fabulous rant

Rec

[stlsaxman]

18. "Lost it"??? sounds to me like you actually "found it"... a voice!

well done... speak on!

[City Lights]

21. IMO, you should "lose it" more often!

Nicely done! :toast: :yourock:

[Flipper999]

25. Good on you!

I'm sure that the cognitive dissonance that your questions have birthed is making still your friend's brain ache.

[GTurck]

26. It's my contention...

that we have to vote for Democrats (even the less than desirable ones) in order to change the way this country is going. It is not enough to complain or even to write about the issues and demonize the GOP. They must be brought back to the reality that America is a democratic republic that gives the common citizen power; but only when they use it.
As far as I can see the GOP has become so in denial and hubris that they don't even know the effect of their rhetoric - and frankly many don't care. But, happily, most Democrats still do care about what their effect/affect is. That is our opportunity and their Achilles heel. It keeps the power in our hands much more than the pundits want you to believe. In fact the pundits on TV largely want you to believe a narrative that neither party is really very good and voters want change.
We do want change but not from Republican boardrooms and church basements.
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
It will drive them all crazy to have Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, Independents and sane Republicans refusing to lay down and die.

[LittleGirl]

27. those emails have cost me so-called friends

I did the same thing and asked what did Obama take away from you?

These people are so pissed off that there is a black man in the WHITE house they can't see straight. It's racism. Pure, simple and stoopid. Thankfully, the last time I replied to one of those emails with a rant (like yours) it was the last time I ever heard from that person. Phew. I've written off those right leaning so-called friends. And I live in a red state so it can be quite lonely.

I will NOT apologize for my liberal beliefs!

[AnArmyVeteran]

29. I've lost two long term friends since they became Limblahites & Beckaholics.

I always steered clear of any talks of politics with them often biting my tongue in the process, but they label anyone who isn't a right wing radical as the enemy. Their allegiance is to a mutant, selfish right wing belief than to long term friends who have done so much for them thru the years. It's sad how right wingers are becoming so filled with hate, anger, racism and fear that they are turning against their friends and neighbors.

I never could have imagined how such a large segment of the population could become so poisoned with absolute lies.

[pipi_k]

34. I really feel sorry for the zealots on either side

who end relationships and alienate others based on politics.


If your former friends were that crazy to see you as an "enemy" because of your beliefs, then you have my sympathy.

It can hurt to be cut off like that, but really, if they're that nuts, what can a person expect from them?


In that spirit, I also say that if zealotry is something we expect from the other side, then it's not something we should expect from this side. We call ourselves "Liberals". "Progressives". We tout ourselves as being "tolerant".

Yet some of us here have no trouble at all ending friendships/relationships with people whose political leanings differ markedly from our own. The person in question might be a perfectly decent person in all other ways, but once they start quoting Beck or Palin or some other RW nut, that's it. It's all politics from there and screw the results. That person has NO redeeming qualities, it seems.

Anyway, if that's what happened to you from people on the other side, I'm sorry.

:(

[glitch]

94. Dealing with brainwashed people is very difficult and takes quite a bit of energy

You have to be up for it.

[pipi_k]

110. I suppose so...

I would imagine one would have to be trained to do it, also. Or have professional guidance on how to effectively deal with brainwashed people.

But, see...the really funny thing is that people on the "other side" believe just as strongly that WE are "brainwashed", but nobody on this side seems to realize it. Or maybe they don't want to admit it.

It's always the "other guy" who is wrong and it's our side that's right.

[glitch]

112. Simply saying it doesn't make it so, of course. But there is one major indicator for brainwashing.

That is trusting a single source of information unquestioningly and allowing no alternatives. This isn't really typical for "our side", most of us get our information from all over, out of necessity. Also, right wing think tanks do exist, they are massively funded, and they do promulgate propaganda through corporate-owned meda. That's not a secret or conspiracy theory, it's part of their mission statements. Not saying left wing wouldn't if they could, just saying at this point in our history they don't have the same resources.

Equating sides is a bit like giving political global climate change deniers the same credibility as the climate scientists who are actually studying the issue. That might be appropriate before any analysis, far less so after reading their research.

[AnArmyVeteran]

114. But there are obvious delusions right wingers are experiencing.

The brothers, the deathers, etc... Beck, Limblah and Hannity spew out constant lies right wingers lap up and believe. They have all the signs of cult members. And to deprogram cult victims takes professionals skilled at deprogramming them.

[AnArmyVeteran]

113. It's strange what's going on.

I just got an email from another friend who has known one of my right wing friends and she said she hasnt heard from them either. She is a liberal too. I've never seen this level of hate in the country. I know both sides can have it's extreme people but the right wing Limbaughettes and Bechaholics are beyond redemption. There is absolutely no communicating with them and no middle ground. The right wing has become a cult not a political movement.

Thanks for your post.

[proReality]

52. It's two relatives for me.

I got so tired of all the crap they sent that I finally laid it on the line, but I honestly did it as nicely as possible, with loads of facts and links. They're no longer speaking to me. It's okay, I really didn't want people to know I was related to them anyway.

[AnArmyVeteran]

115. I guess they are the Beck Sheep of your family. :)

I wish them well and hope they someday overcome their afflictions.

[HillbillyBob]

87. Oh some of us have experienced it..for instance when I was outed

in 1982. I got a lot of grief from 'disappointed' to 'you are the lowest thing on the face of earth'.
I for one have been watching the mutation from hard Christians to the Insane shit I saw it in churches years ago. Dominionists have been around for a while. Just not many noticed, now the Kkkrestians and the dominionists , white supremicists all of those fringy type on the right side have coalesced into a new monster and it is dangerous to us all.

[AnArmyVeteran]

116. Well said. Fundamentalists would destroy this country if possible.

It would become a theocracy and our laws would be as barbaric as other extremist religious groups around the would. They are lost in a world of complete ignorance.

[sellitman]

104. I lost my best friend a year ago when he started comparing Obama to Hitler.

As a Jew it insulted me and as a Democrat it insulted me.

I haven't talked or emailed him in a year.

It hurts on one end yet there is no way back for him.

Too bad too. I mourn him as if he had died. For me he did.

[AnArmyVeteran]

117. I'm sorry for your loss. I hope he regains his sanity someday.

[pipi_k]

28. The only trouble with rants...

is that they tend to make the other guy get all defensive and stuff and think we're crazy.

I think I would have stopped at, "What has he done to destroy the Constitution?" and then wait to see what reply I got.

Seriously.


Make her explain to you, in her own words...no RW talking points...what Obama has done to destroy the Constitution. That might have made her realize that she probably doesn't even KNOW what he's supposedly done to "destroy the Constitution". It might even have opened up the door to constructive conversation on the subject.

[krkaufman]

47. In theory....

It might even have opened up the door to constructive conversation on the subject.

I wouldn't hold my breath.

[pipi_k]

69. Well I wouldn't hold my breath either, but...

what it does accomplish is getting a message across without looking like a nutcase.

Sort of what happens with PETA. I agree with most of what they say, but they ruin their own messages by being idiots about it.



And you just never know...if the person is reasonable enough, it just might cause him or her to look beyond the RW talking points to try and find "evidence".

If a fairly reasonable person can't find any evidence, he or she just might change his or her mind.

[tiredtoo]

61. Ok I got an email from a righty saying obama is destroying the constitution

I replied asking if he was referring to the mosque issue. He replied with a comment about the deficit. I replied "you mean the surplus to deficit created by Bush and the Republicans?" He did not reply. We MUST all continue fighting this nonsense and more importantly, we MUST all vote and get our like minded friends and neighbors to vote. I shudder at the thought of going back to the Republican running congress.

[pipi_k]

71. The most important words...

Don't give someone hints, like asking if it's about this or that...

What...how....why

So if someone replies about the deficit, ask why...or how. And keep asking each time the person gives you some "reason".

Be reasonable. Just keep asking "why". Let them be the one to explode when they can't think of an answer.

[sellitman]

67. Like whatever she would of said would of made sense?

I know what you mean but I doubt it would of helped.

Besides, she was one of the few who I've never gone off on. Her time was due. LOL

[pipi_k]

72. Well it probably wouldn't have made sense, but

what does going off on someone accomplish other than making us feel like we actually made an impact when we really didn't?


I dunno...just seems kind of pointless...

:shrug:

[sellitman]

106. If it makes her think twice before sending me crap then it was worth it

Well worth it.

[pipi_k]

109. Well as long as you realize

that you didn't change her mind...only that she's not going to send anymore of that crap to you.

Which could have been accomplished merely by saying, "Look, I'd rather you didn't send that stuff to me anymore because I only end up deleting it without reading it anyway."

But, whatever....

:shrug:

[sellitman]

118. But maybe I did change her mind...

Maybe not on every post but maybe on one or two?

You never know.

[lunatica]

30. If she doesn't answer you, ask her again, and again until she does

And be polite but relentless.

[DirkGently]

31. More of us should call out self-styled Constitutional Scholars. Well done.

[Amaril]

32. Good for you!

You may not have changed your friend's mind, but I'm willing to bet she will stop sending you garbage like that. Worked like a charm for me a couple years ago when I finally *snapped* over the whole "War on Christmas" nonsense. :)



Edit to fix spelling error........need more coffee!

[classof56]

35. Well done and highly recommended

Raving lunatics who have lost their way--pretty much nails it. Thank you!

[frogmarch]

37. Great! K&R!

[NoSheep]

38. Very well done! Thank you for speaking up.

[WinkyDink]

39. Peope who listen to FOX hear the most outlandish, tabloid-level lies and insinuations. And believe.

"That questioner was a Democrat plant."
"Those racist signs are Democrat dirty-tricks."
"Obama is advised by domestic terrorists."

ETC.

[newtothegame]

40. "did they" "when he"

Agree with you, except that being politically inactive during the *Bush years doesn't disqualify one from getting active in politics now. Pushing for change is always a good thing, even if you're late to the game.

[madamesilverspurs]

41. One of the guys running for state legislature here

lost his business last year. He'd had problems for years, and former employees have some very interesting tales to tell. His business was eventually seized for unpaid sales taxes. So of course he's campaigning on his experience in creating jobs. In the course of his campaign script he routinely notes that his is just one of many businesses that have been forced to close due to Obama and the Democrats. I'm hoping to get the chance to ask him who, in his special view, gets the credit for all the businesses that HAVEN'T had to close their doors.


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[barbtries]

51. please have a camera nearby

when you do! should be sweet.

[madamesilverspurs]

56. This just in ---

Seems the candidate went out of his way to solicit campaign funds directly from lobbyists:

http://www.greeleytribune.com/article/20100924/NEWS/100929855/1051&ParentProfile=1001


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[barbtries]

65. that made me laugh

i know it goes on that the officeholders in congress are bought and sold, but this really made me laugh. especially when it was said that he doesn't know what poll shows him winning the race, but he "heard of one." :rofl: i have a feeling it made the lobbyists laugh too, considering that he still only had about $4000 as of September 15.

[orbitalman]

42. Sellitman CLEARLY does not....

take things for granted. Cheers. :toast:

[pokercat999]

43. "They vilify people like me who are getting

unemployment compensation"

A lifelong acquaintance and RW near crazy was BRAGGING about his trust fund daughter working "under the table" for an employer while collecting unemployment benefits. This is a young lady that has no financial need to work as she has a trust fund from her mother that will support her forever. She has an MBA from a university in Florida and has led a privileged life of the upper class. Yet the same guy (her dad) vilifies unemployed factory workers and hates unions, teachers, people of color, anyone left of Rush Limpballs....you name it. What is truly amazing is he doesn't see his own hypocrisy. It appears to be the same for all of the RW and Teabaggers. I just don't get it. These people are delusional.

My question is will they (the RW) ever change and what would make them see the "light"?

[Blue_Tires]

66. ugh... i'm surrounded by that mindset locally

[political_Dem]

44. K and R. Bravo. Just like yourself, a lot of us need to lose it more often.

Enough is enough when it comes to the repetition of the GOP memes. Some of these "so-called" Repubican talking points date back to the eighties.

It's time to fight back. No more rolling over and playing dead for these obnoxious people.

[Tsiyu]

45. The thing that always get me about repukes

is they will send out these Off The Wall, frothing-at-the-mouth diatribes claiming that the world is coming to an end because of liberals, and expressing all these dire consequences if "we don't stamp out those nasty, dirty libruls." They insult and belittle anyone not hoard-core Repuke.

When you respond in kind, they claim you are the one who has "gone off the deep end."

It's a puzzlement...

[barbtries]

53. that's a really good point.

and they get away with it much too often.

[Tsiyu]

103. Most people will "go along just to get along."

Which is usually wise.

I rarely suffer from that malady ;)

[krkaufman]

46. I feel your ire.

A "pro-life" pollster got what he didn't ask for the other night, when he called my place. Before he could get going, I replied in an excited voice, "Oh, this is a 'pro-life' poll? So we're going to talk about the death penalty? Great!"

It went on for a minute or so, with me acting flummoxed when the pollster said it wasn't about the death penalty, then me again getting excited about an opportunity to talk about getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Oh, what? Not about that, either?

Eventually, I let him explain that he wanted to talk about abortion, to which I replied that it obviously wasn't a "pro-life" poll, as much as an anti-choice, anti-abortion call. And then I asked him if, given the state of our economy and the wars, weren't there more pressing matters with which he should be concerned.

Too much coffee that afternoon.

Peace.

p.s. It's "free speech" or "First Amendment" zones. But your point got across.

[barbtries]

55. that's great

i never take those calls, but if i could be as quick on the draw as you are i would. just for the joy of it.

[mimitabby]

48. This is poetry to my ears K & R

[barbtries]

49. great rant

that's what i keep thinking: where the hell was your hue and cry when bush was tearing the constitution, and the country, to shreds?!?!?!

driving with my boss (liberal) and a couple co-workers (various, including libertarian and definite republican) the other day, we came across a couple of areas where road work was being done. my boss said, "so that's where our taxes are going," and the republican piped up, "our CHILDREN's taxes!"

i couldn't say anything. he is in a much superior position in this company, but ever since i just keep telling him in my daydreams, "where were you when bush was putting two unnecessary and illegal wars on the credit card?!?!?!"

aargh. please let us know the response to your email.

[HughBeaumont]

50. K & R.

Did the same thing to a TeaAsshole on FB after he finished tossing the Communist, Nazi, Marxist smack 'round. Lots of caps. Mad shit.

These people need to be dropped and then kicked. They're using words from an era that doesn't exist anymore. They're trying to create enemies out of allies and trading partners.

I'm not going to be "Mr Nice Progressive" anymore. I'm not going to just shut the hell up when these fuckers say something stupid. NO more.

[WatchWhatISay]

57. I'm bookmarking this one

Would you mind if I used all or portions of it to reply to any obnoxious emails or facebooks postings I might get in the future?

[sellitman]

68. Have at it.

No need to refer back to this one either. Use it at will.

Cheers!

[indimuse]

58. BRAV-F*#*ING-O!!

KNR! ;)

[mstinamotorcity]

59. Need some more to rant about

The Tea Party is the Republican Party. The so-called moderates were expelled before I think some where along the years of 1964. I get that.

Do not be fooled by the so-called Moderates. They will saddle up and ride with their good old boys,believe that.

And this seems like the problem for the Republicans who know that they are lying through their teeth to America.

The thing that has bothered me is the fact that enough of the truth has not prevailed yet.

But what I really want to see is the people who are not the Dick Armey"s army. The ones who are not bought and paid for to casually stroll by Cameras at events and wear ridiculous hats and misspelled signs,and stupid t-shirts. The ones who will some day wake up and be mad as hell. This is when the spit hits the fan. When those people wake up and realize they got played. Played by exploiting their love of country and simple lifestyle,just for the 2% to enhance their own lifestyle with legacy loot.

[NJmaverick]

60. K & R!

[placton]

62. just a few things

keeping gitmo open
military show trials
extraordinaty renditions
not allowing GLBMT to serve in the military, by appealing a decision that said the practice is UNCONSTITUTIONAL
imperial presidency continued
CIA and private armies around the world
continuing several illegal wars

I gots more if ya wants 'em?

I am a lifelong and current Dem, and tho the Tea Partiers are beyond nuts, and corporate tools, he actually is defying the law in these and many other ways.

Sorry, but it's true.

[veganlush]

64. excellent..n/t

[handmade34]

70. thanks for that

we all need to respond to the craziness with commonsense answers

[Populist_Prole]

73. Thanks for this

This sort of thing I have to deal with all the time, and is straining being friends with at least 2 people I know.

They just spew generalized talking points; and when I shoot them down they readily just substitute another, thinking I'll agree with SOMEthing they say.

[liberal N proud]

74. I would have changed one thing...

I would never call them the Tea Party, always Tea Baggers. I know it is condescending and it is meant to be that way. Anyone that stupid deserves it.

But great response.

[sellitman]

107. Actually I usually call them Teahadists

But make no mistake about it they are the Republican Teahadists

[Alcibiades]

75. Ignorance is the precondition of teabaggerism

Their ideas come mainly from John C. Calhoun, and their description of the Constitution is a description of the Articles of Confederation. They didn't come up with these ideas themselves, but they have no idea where their ideas come from, except that they are treated as though they were fact by talk radio.

Care to drive a teabagger insane? Try this:

You: Do you believe that the Constitution's not a living document, subject to interpretation, and that the plain, literal language of the Constitution ought to be the supreme law of the land?

Teabagger: Yep.

You: Do you believe in limited government?

Teabagger: Yep.

You: Good. Now go home, do a full text search for the words "limited government" in the Constitution. You won't find them there. Congratulations, you've just grafted your own limited normative understanding of the Constitution onto the document itself.

The fact that teabaggers don't know that their normative model of the Constitution is itself a prescriptive one, based on legal scholarship rather than the plain language of the Constitution itself, renders them particularly vulnerable to the literalism they have assumed as a legal doctrine from evangelical protestantism.

Enjoy!

[sellitman]

105. Oh my that's good!

I can't wait to try it out!

Hooooo Haaaaaaaaah!

[mzmolly]

77. Well said!

:toast:

[Shrader]

79. What do they say?

What do they say are the specifics as to how Obama is "killing the Constitution"?

I've heard the "we're taking our country back" talking points as well as the others, but what do they present as any kind of facts to back this up?

What did that Youtube video say?

I'd know better how to argue against them if I heard any arguments from them, instead of just pre-digested slogans and catchphrases.

[norvech]

80. So let me get this straight...

Obama is not responsible for the re-authorization of the "Patriot" Act...

Not responsible for allowing these body scanners in the airports...

Not responsible for expanding the drug war in Afghanistan...

I could go on...

I guess those things are all just Bush's fault.

Wake the frick up please.

Obama should have done everything in his power to get the Patriot "Violation of Rights" Act removed, brought the troops home from all these illegal wars, and should not violate our civil liberties in the form of these cancer-inducing scanners that take naked copies of our bodies in airports. Etc! You know, "CHANGE"...a spirit of change.

What flavor Kool-Aid do you drink?! Guess it's only OK when our Democratic president does these things... You're apparently as bad as the Tea Party folks where bias is concerned...

[avaistheone1]

81. Thank you

This thread needed a reality check badly.

Evidently Obama is not responsible for the continuation of our illegal wars in the Middle East, not responsible for warrantless wiretapping, and military tribunals, as well as the use of drones against civilians...

[norvech]

84. Don't worry....

Obama does these unconstitutional things now, but as soon as a Republican steals the Oval Office again, the same people here will be complaining about these types of action you just mentioned. It's only bad when Republicans do it. Just ask Olbermann.

I think it is cherry-flavored Kool-Aid. What say you?

[gateley]

82. Wow -- VERY well done! Let us know the response!! nt

[onethatcares]

83. you didn't lose a thing. You gave someone something to digest

my hat is off to you and you get a salute too.

Peace.

[WVRICK13]

85. Bravo

well said. You need to purge your friends if they send you those kinds of emails. I no longer have one friend who is RW, tea partier, or general Republican since I can not possibly have anything in common with them.

[Major Hogwash]

86. In solidarity, man.

It was bad under Bush, I lost quite a few friends at work while Bush invaded 2 countries.

But, it got worse under Obama, because then the racism came out.
Some people that I never suspected to be prejudiced at all, turned out to be the biggest closet bigots I ever saw in my life.
They came out of the closet last year and were "loud and proud" about it.

And this fall, it is the worst it has ever been in 10 years.
If I didn't need this job, I would quit.

I might quit after Christmas anyway.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

88. Beautifully said, but I'm afraid they'll never read it...

They'll see the first sentence and say, "Oh boy, he obviously has been drinking the Koolaid." and they'll continue to wallow in their ignorance.

[StarryNite]

91. Excellent!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

I get so sick and tired of those damn emails! I have some people that I automatically delete any forwards from because I know it's going to be the same old shit! And I get sick and tired of going to Snopes to prove them wrong. Then they say they don't believe Snopes...that Snopes is a liberal website. Until they send me something against a liberal that Snopes says is true. Then all of a sudden they believe Snopes.

[awoke_in_2003]

92. These are the same asshats...

that didn't say boo when the Patriot Act came out. It is discouraging, however, that the act was extended. Oh well- meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[DeSwiss]

93. K&R!!!

[lisa58]

95. It's all great...but...I love the "Cheers!" K/R

[bertman]

96. Good. Really good. Rec. nt

[icnorth]

100. Hang in there sellitman, I lost it tonight as well...

but I tried to remain civil. Received an email today from a friend; born again Conservative Social Corporatist to which I just replied.

Laurie,

Funny stories but I like the original 2003 version better than the 2009 plagiarized version. Example (1): In the first iteration (2003) the New Hampshire Congresswoman was not named as were any individuals throughout the piece. The 2009 version names Carol Shea-Porter as the New Hampshire Congresswoman. The New Hampshire Congresswoman named in 2003 couldn't have been Carol Shea-Porter since she wasn't elected until 2007.

In all twelve examples cited in this piece, the individual is a U.S. Democratic Senator, Congressman, Aide or Spouse of the representative.

The question is asked at the bottom: "Could ANYONE be this DUMB"? To which I reply. only the author of these falsely attributed stories.

As for Vermont Congressman Bernie Sanders, I've listened to him on numerous occasions. He is an Independent and exhibits more intelligence than the collective I.Q. of the entire Republican Caucus in the U. S. Congress.

http://www.snopes.com/travel/trap/congress.asp

icnorth

Probably didn't accomplish a damned thing but I feel a hell of a lot better.

[butterfly77]

102. Kicked&Recommended...

[madokie]

111. You need to do that more often

Well put :hi: