Where we are.

[mmonk]

"When it comes to the deliberate dismanteling of the Constitution, however, the events that followed the Supreme Court's intervention in the election of 2000 that named George W. Bush the forty-third president have proved unprecedented. Bush has since implemented what even right-wing columnist George Will has termed a "monarchial doctrine" and launched, as left-wing commentator James Ridgeway put it, "a consistent and long-range policy to wreck constitutional government". In doing so, Bush has unleashed a political crisis comparable to the one Julius Caesar posed for the Roman constitution. If the United States has neither the means nor the will to overcome this crisis, then we have entered the last days of the republic."

-"Nemesis The Last Days of the American Republic", by Chalmers Johnson
Metropolitan Books Henry Holt and Company LLC
175 Fifth Avenue
New York, NY

Page 244



Just so you know the magnitude of where we are and the importance of the path chosen right now. Is politics as usual an effective path?

[whistle]

1. So, what will the democratically elected congress with a democratic majority

...in both houses do about this scam by a rogue lawless group of scoundrels embedded in the republican party? So far, our democratic majority has shown themselves to be spineless in standing up against the dark forces of liars, cheats and criminals both in and lending support to the Bush administration. This must change now or the U.S. Constitution is sunk.

[Wiley50]

2. Constitution?

I thought they swore to uphold th Corporations?

oh, Never mind

[BeHereNow]

3. They will do nothing- there is NO two party system. Wait, watch and see.

Mark my words- the appearance of "change" will be held
out like a carrot on a stick and string to momentarily distract
the masses- to lead them to believe that a different course has
been chosen, et al.
And then you will witness business as usual.
Further advancement of yet far more new world order and the corporatist
agendas killing yet more of America as we have always dreamed it to be.

If you don't beleive me- bookmark this thread and get back to
me in a year and tell me it isn't so, this truth of which I speak.

Oh, and you might want to study Hegel in the interest of
understanding what you are witnessing.
Trust me when I tell you the people behind the curtain
know and practice the philosophy and technique thoroughly, and therefore, so should you.

BHN

[magellan]

4. Politics as usual is hastening our destruction

There are none so blind as those who will not see. One day their eyes will open and it'll be too late.

[BeHereNow]

5. IMHO- When you witness the fact, that even here on DU, people do not comprehend

How far this thing has gone, what you say is true.
It is TOO LATE.
The window has closed.
Two party system?
Where?
Who?
And they've done WHAT exactly?
BHN

[magellan]

10. I know

I've been shaking my head over this for some time now. Wait till 2009, they say. For what? I'm afraid I see very little difference where it counts between the Repug and Dem front-runners. None of them acknowledge the scale of damage that's been done, if they even comprehend it. They seem to want to perpetuate Bush**'s perversions rather than correct them.

Is this selective blindness or do they really not see? Whatever the reason, the implications for this country are depressing.

[Swamp Rat]

6. here ->

[BeHereNow]

7. "Dumbfuckistan," formerly known as Duh'murrrika?

Upon hearing the applause of the hand picked stasi audience members,
cheering for torture by the US at recent televied Refucklithon pResidential debates- I'd say you're right!

BHN

[Swamp Rat]

8. Yep

They were paid to praise Bushler's pro-torture agenda, and shut down Ron Paul.

:hi: :hug:

[BeHereNow]

9. And how...Gee, I can't wait for the interogations to begin here in Dumbfuckistan!

Look out freepers, you're on their lists too- for living on your credit cards
and protesting the guest worker program and NAFTA super highway.
How very unpatriotic you are for protesting the global New
World Order.
Never dawned on y'all that the policies were meant to fuck you too, eh?
We TRIED to warn ya.
Too late now!
And to think, YOU voted for this shit!
Bwahahahah!
WE WILL have the last laugh watching you sink like stones,
shoulder to shoulder with the rest of us.
Me and Swamp plan to take pictures of the entire sordid affair
as you too, reap the consequences of what you have sown in
selling Duh'murikkka down the river to Dumbfuckistan.

BHN

[H2O Man]

11. In 1970

Vine Deloria Jr. published "We Talk, You Listen (New Tribes, New Turf)." Almost 40 years later, I think it remains one of the most important books available to DUers. In it, he describes the people of the United States as approaching a cross-roads: one path lead directly to a corporate feudalism, the other to a modern form of confederate tribalism.

It is accurate to say that tribalism has both positive and negative potentials. But the only positive potentials for the new feudal state are for the Dick Cheneys. For the average citizen, the feudal state's only comfort is the false security of social novocaines, For the un-average citizen, it offers little but pain and suffering.

[H2O Man]

12. Bob Marley: Exodus

Exodus
By Bob Marley

Exodus: Movement of Jah people! Oh-oh-oh, yea-eah!
.......
Men and people will fight ya down (Tell me why!)
When ya see Jah light. (Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!)
Let me tell you if you're not wrong; (Then, why?)
Everything is all right.
So we gonna walk - all right! - through de roads of creation:
We the generation (Tell me why!)
(Trod through great tribulation) trod through great tribulation.

Exodus, all right! Movement of Jah people!
Oh, yeah! O-oo, yeah! All right!
Exodus: Movement of Jah people! Oh, yeah!

Yeah-yeah-yeah, well!
Uh! Open your eyes and look within:
Are you satisfied (with the life you're living)? Uh!
We know where we're going, uh!
We know where we're from.
We're leaving Babylon,
We're going to our Father land.

2, 3, 4: Exodus: movement of Jah people! Oh, yeah!
(Movement of Jah people!) Send us another brother Moses!
(Movement of Jah people!) From across the Red Sea!
(Movement of Jah people!) Send us another brother Moses!
(Movement of Jah people!) From across the Red Sea!
Movement of Jah people!

Exodus, all right! Oo-oo-ooh! Oo-ooh!
Movement of Jah people! Oh, yeah!
Exodus!
Exodus! All right!
Exodus! Now, now, now, now!
Exodus!
Exodus! Oh, yea-ea-ea-ea-ea-ea-eah!

Exodus!
Exodus! All right!
Exodus! Uh-uh-uh-uh!

Move! Move! Move! Move! Move! Move!

[H2O Man]

13. Vine Deloria, Jr: Exodus

"Moses took a loose confederation of tribal people, stuck in industrialized Egypt, and brought them out of Egypt after totally destroying the country. He then formed a much broader conception of religion based upon their experiences in that urban society, and reconstituted the tribal structure with religion as the basis. So strong was the tribal-religious interpretation of identity, that the people of Israel have lasted nearly four thousand years and show no signs of weakening."
-- We Talk, You Listen; page 126

We are not going to go back in time, and we are not going to create the New Israel that some of our confused fundy brethern seek. But it is important for people to begin a psychological exodus from Egypt-Babylon-Rome. People do not need to move out of the cities, and build communes in the desert. But we do need to re-construct and re-constitute our society. We need to consider that tribal interpretation of identity -- within the scope of the US Constition -- as the best option we have, rather than to become a robotic cog in the great corporate machine.

[mmonk]

14. That does seem to be what the options are becoming.

I'm not familiar with that work, but it seems to apply.

[KharmaTrain]

15. The Constitutional Muddle

While many see the Constitution in clear black & white, that's not how the courts have played it. If anything, they've had to arbitrate two sets of black and white. When its good, it's Brown vs. Board of Education. When its bad, it's Dred Scott and the travesty of 2000. Either way, the courts have placed themselves as the final arbeiters of the Constitution and that's a game this regime has always played to and will run out the clock using the judiciary they've worked hard to compromise (just like the media)

The signs of criminality and violations of Constitutional law are all over the place...but they're also clouded with specific. It's the "slow and deliberate" part of the process the founders built in to prevent this country becoming a total banana republic where coups and a true "unitary executive" would be prevented. It took 225 for some goons to figure out how to rig the system and we're just starting to dig into how much they've rigged and how badly. It's not a pretty site and we're just starting down a long dark road where we'll learn more about how close this country has come to totalitarianism. Hopefully the '06 elections was an intervention...but it won't be the cure. The '08 elections will start that process.

I wish things would change overnight, but I also am a realist and the system moves at its own pace and we need to not only be certain that all crimes are exposed, but that all perpetrators be exposed, and if possible, prosecuted. This will take years, but it must be done. For all those on their moral high horses, the true justice doesn't end at the executive, it begins there and works its way down...or in this case, it has to be fereted out at the bottom to pull out the root and then go for the top.

The no-confidence vote on Gonzo is just the next step in what is a process where the Democrats learn where they can be effective. This regime will stonewall, obstruct, lie and cheat every step of the way...making it more difficult for us to put shackles on them in the short term, but it will be their ultimate downfall in the long run.