time for hunters to hit the woods. can the prostitutes be far behind

[ensho]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/26/us/26huntintro.html?_r=1&th&emc=th

Working to Keep a Heritage Relevant


To millions of Americans, autumn means not just N.F.L. games and the World Series but also the start of hunting season — a few months packed with chances to stalk deer, bear, ducks and doves with rifles, shotguns, bows and even black-powder muskets.

(and to get drunk and screw around)

“Hunting is one of those sports where you can’t have too much stuff,” said Dan Gechtman, 46, one of many customers streaming into Cabela’s, a hunting and fishing megastore here, on a balmy afternoon. “This store is on steroids,” he said while trying on a camouflage suit that fluttered with artificial leaves and taking in the dazzling array of products, stuffed animal dioramas and a laser-shooting arcade.

-snip-

“We’re concerned that in the future we aren’t going to have adequate dollars to manage our wildlife resources,” said John E. Frampton, director of South Carolina’s Department of Natural Resources and president of the Association of Fish and Wildlife Agencies. “We also want to preserve an important part of our heritage.”

Mr. Frampton serves on a new federal advisory board intended “to help promote and preserve America’s hunting heritage for future generations,” in part by drawing in more youths and women.

(isn't that a ginger peachy reason to promote hunting)

-snip-

South Carolina is one of four states, along with Arizona, Arkansas and Tennessee, that will vote this fall on adding the right to hunt and fish to their constitutions. Ten states already have such provisions, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

(they must be kidding)

On this trip he was just buying boots, but his eyes shifted toward the gun racks. “I’ve got 10 rifles and shotguns, and she won’t let me buy any more,” he said, nudging his wife with a laugh.

Their 3-year-old grandson, Aiden Jaeger, looked with wide eyes at a huge stuffed moose. “He’ll be a hunter and a fisherman,” Mr. Hakes said, expressing a hope that Aiden would buck the national trend and carry on a family tradition.
----------------------

so you are wondering why I added prostitutes to the mix. because hunting season is a money maker for them.

[FreakinDJ]

1. You say that like "Hunting" is a bad thing

[HopeHoops]

2. I have no problem with people who eat what they kill - it is the drunken idiots I can't stand.

You can tell pretty quickly - "That fucking Lexus is going to look pretty damn silly with Bambi strapped to the roof." When they show up in fancy cars, park them so they're barely in the shoulder (not too close to the mud- eww), and drag a cooler full of beer into the woods, they aren't "hunters". You can tell where they've been by the empty beer cans and McTrash they leave behind. Real hunters do something those assholes wouldn't understand - they hunt and they hunt for food.

[Ozymanithrax]

10. Yes, I don't want to eat any Drunken idiots, either. n/t

[pipi_k]

13. I live in the woods...my biggest fear during hunting season...

drunken idiots and campfires.

One time Mr P and I were coming from from someplace during hunting season when we came upon one of the town's fire trucks lumbering slowly along our road. We live some distance in from the main road, and they kept going farther in while we could only follow and wonder where along our road they were going. I was literally SICK with fear until we came to our house and they kept going down the hill to put out a fire some dumbass drunken hunter idiots had set.


My other fear is drunken idiots with guns not obeying the "no trespassing" signs and coming on our land and shooting at anything that moves. Luckily our dogs have a fenced yard to play in, but you never know if you'll get shot just walking to the pond 150 feet from the house.

:scared:

[ladywnch]

23. I agree. I used to be opposed to hunting until I lived in Alaksa

for 6 years. Not counting Sarah Palin and her ilk (and who would want to), most Alaskans eat everything they take and the natives use EVERYTHING.....they even make waterproof clothing from the intestines of whales!......they respect their prey are being the circle of life. It really gave me a different perspective. Unfortunately there seem to be more of what you describe in your post than what I experienced in AK.

[Count Olaf]

28. I am a vegetarian in Alaska and I respect hunting

If your are going to eat meat, that is much healthier for you and the environment and the animal. At least it lives the best possible life before you eat it.

[HopeHoops]

38. I'm also vegetarian (since '89) and share your perspective on it.

A hunter who kills for food is taking far more responsibility for what he eats than someone who buys a package of ground mystery meat from the grocery store - and I'm not even counting McFood here.

[Codeine]

54. As a vegan for 20+ years I fully agree.

I wonder if these people take the time to wipe the McNugget grease from their fingers before they post an anti-hunting piece.

[xchrom]

3. Recommend

[distantearlywarning]

4. No problem here with hunting so long as you eat what you kill.

Can't stand sport or trophy hunters though. Something mentally wrong with people who kill just for the pleasure of watching something die. :puke:

[OneGrassRoot]

5. + a brazillion n/t

[Saboburns]

I personally don't know anybody who kills for the pleasure of watching something die

I don't hunt myself, but know I live in West Virginia where hunting is a way of life. But nobody I know kills for the pleasure of watching something die.

You're talking sociopaths there bub, not hunters.

[ladywnch]

31. they don't kill to watch the animal die, they kill for throphys...not food.

they want the antlers, heads, etc and they leave behind to rot what they don't take. those folks consider themselves hunters but are nothing more than butchers.

[deaniac21]

48. I have never even hear of a deer hunter taking only the head.

You need to get your sources checked. Venison is like gold in Arkansas.

[ladywnch]

60. there were several news stories I've seen that showed carcasses

of deer and moose missing only their racks and or heads......the carcasses left to rot. Not only that, they were in federal parks no less! my sources are accurate.


I never mentioned Arkansas. just fyi.....AK stands for Alaska, AR is the abbreviation for Arkansas......

[deaniac21]

63. I'd love to see the links. I go to Alaska often to hunt and fish and I

find Alaskans to be very sporting. I suspect your sources SUCK.

[ladywnch]

64. guy, I'm talking 1990s I don't have links as it was never on the net

I watched it on TV as it was current news on the 3 main network affiliates. I lived there for 6 years. Look under Chugiak National Park, Eagle River - I left in 93 so that should narrow your search. There was also a problem at one point with people taking antlers from various animals for the velvet - it was purported to be some kind of aphrodisiac and was very hot in Asian markets.

And, as I said in my original post on this thread MOST Alaskans are EXTREMELY responsible hunting and in fact helped me develop a respect for subsistence hunters.

[HuckleB]

70. If so, there would something about it on the net now.

[ladywnch]

75. from what is at least a 17 year old local broadcast.....really.

when not much of any media was on the net..... you actually think there is someone at local small market news departments that is sitting around sifting through ancient news broadcasts, editing them story by story, cataloging them, and posting an archive of links??? really? LOL

If you don't wish to believe me, since I DID live there, not just another flatlander coming up for a visit, then don't. Number one, I don't have anything to prove to you. Number two, I know what I lived. You wanna believe it never happened, I can't stop you.....knock your socks off.

BTW: Anchorage News Stations:

Channel 13 archives only go back to 1998
Channel 11 archives only go back to 1998
Channel 2 only appear to go back to 2006

but by all means, feel free to check this for yourself.

[HuckleB]

77. The Internet has information about obscure 40 and 50 year old oddities.

Sorry, but your story is BS.

[ladywnch]

80. ROFLMAO !!!!!

yes, I'm sure you would know!!!!

[Cal Carpenter]

67. For every one of those there are thousands of people

who *don't* leave carcasses to rot. They're just not interesting enough to make the news :shrug:

[ladywnch]

74. please look to my earlier posts. I am not, have not, do not say

that the majority of hunters do this!!!!! I simply sited these incidents as evidence that these things DO happen.

For the love of God!!!!! will people learn to read a complete string before they comment. Jeez!


And to your comment about it not being interesting enough to make the news, it is hard to do a news story about something that DOESN'T happen.

[Lyric]

45. I live in West Virginia. My family has lived here for generations.

My Dad hunted. My grandfather hunted. HIS grandfather hunted. My brother and my uncles and my cousins all hunt. And yet, I have heard every single one of those men express nothing but scorn and contempt for the "hunters" who shoot king stags for trophies and leave the carcasses to rot. We ATE what my Dad killed--deer, rabbits, squirrel, grouse, turkeys. We also ate what he fished. Dad wasn't out there hunting and fishing so that he could mount a head, a rack, or a fish on a wooden frame and hang it in the living room. My younger brother got his first gun (a 22) when he was 10 years old, and decided to be an idiot and shoot a chipmunk with it just for the hell of it. My Dad whipped his rear end for that, and then made him skin and clean the chipmunk, cook it, and EAT it. My brother never made that mistake again.

Yes, hunting is a way of life here. But there IS a standard of ethics that most hunters here follow. You don't shoot unless you can kill, you never leave a wounded animal behind, and you either eat your kill or you give it to someone else who needs it for food. You don't kill for "fun". You don't kill for trophies. People who do that aren't hunters--they are INDEED sociopaths, and they have no business being in the woods. And I include bear-hunters in that category. I've spent time living around Pendleton County bear hunters, and there is NO ethical reason for what they do. They don't eat bear meat. They aren't confining themselves to killing "threat" bears. They go out into the woods with their abused dogs and run down bears who aren't the least bit of a threat to anyone or anything. Frankly, it makes me sick. But our state makes a freaking fortune in bear-tags, dog licensing and breeding fees, and out-of-state sport killers who come here to shoot our bears, so I doubt if we'll ever see an end to this sickening practice...at least not until black bears are practically on the edge of extinction.

[X_Digger]

49. "until black bears are practically on the edge of extinction"..

.. and that's not likely to happen any time soon.

That's one of the often forgotten success stories of the conservation movement in the US. By the late 30's / early 40's, there was damned little game of any kind in a lot of areas. Now we're hip deep in deer in suburban areas; elk, antelope, turkey, migratory birds, foxes, black bears, alligators, coyotes, etc have all bounced back, sometimes from the brink of extinction. Others are coming back, but slower, and with deliberate work- bald eagles, mountain lions, and wolves.

[deaniac21]

81. The Canada Goose has gone from protected to a nuisance. In

only 30 years.

[Brickbat]

6. I love hunting season around here, and I'm looking forward to the day when we join in.

Deer are delicious, and there are too many of them where we are.

[msongs]

7. "hunting" season always reminds me of Elmer Fudd nt

[LiberalLoner]

8. I know some people where I grew up in Montana who were pretty

dependent on hunting and fishing to put some meat on the table in otherwise very poor economic circumstances. Not all hunters are evil. Although I'm sure some are.

[flvegan]

9. I hope young Aiden goes vegan when he's 10.

:P

[MuseRider]

12. !

:)

[Edweird]

11. Your food has to come from somewhere and it doesn't get any 'greener' or more 'organic' than this.

This is as far from 'factory farming' as you can get, yet some 'progressives' still find fault with it.

[BeFree]

16. Good Point

Am guessing all those against hunting are vegetarians?

Another part is that hunting fees and taxes are used to buy and manage land that can't be developed, or as we call it: open lands.

[PVnRT]

29. No, most are just against guns

There are actually quite a few vegetarians who, while being against killing living things in general, have far less of a problem with hunters than they do with factory farms.

[Wednesdays]

14. Huh? Hunting season is a money maker for prostitutes?

How so? :wtf:

I suppose it could be true, but this is the first I've heard about it. Do you have any evidence--even anecdotal--to back up that claim?

[ensho]

15. they follow the hunters to the motels, campgrounds, etc.

where the hunters stay.

hunting season for them is a money maker.

[lumberjack_jeff]

18. I notice that you didn't provide the requested evidence, anecdotal or otherwise. n/t

[ensho]

19. well give me fifty lashes with a wet noodle.

people in hunting areas know this. everybody makes money.

[lumberjack_jeff]

20. I'm in a big hunting area. I didn't know this.

Is Key West a big hunting area?

[proteus_lives]

56. It's not.

It's just more of ensho's "men are bad, blah, blah." bullshit.

[Arkansas Granny]

27. I live in an area with lots of hunters. I've never heard of this. Of course,

most of the hunters I know camp out in the woods instead of going to motels or campgrounds.

[Statistical]

43. First I have heard on this.

Then again when I was young I went hunting WITH my dad (you know family time and all that) maybe that cut down on the pros.

[JVS]

22. A claim is a type of anecdote.

[lumberjack_jeff]

26. Not really.

For instance, "No one in Key West knows jack shit about hunting" isn't really a claim, it's a stereotype.

[Pathwalker]

24. Anecdotal evidence: One year, 3 hunters didn't tag deers, but came home

with the same STD, a gift from a local prostitute who accompanied them. The result was 3 divorces. One wife was a friend on mine.
Do you need names, too? (Michigan)

[JVS]

32. Maybe those guys didn't get any deer because they weren't actually hunting.

It sounds like they were otherwise occupied.

[Gaedel]

36. Michigan's favorite singing group

Da Yoopers


http://www.lyricsdot.com/lyrics/ld_91656_Da%20Yoopers_One%20Can%20Short%20Of%20A%20Six-Pack_Mighty%20Manly%20Hunting%20Men

[Kalyke]

46. Why will some men use any excuse to cheat on their wives.

Glad your friend divorced her cheater. The only way some people learn is the hard way.

[Fla_Democrat]

71. Sure, is she single now?

Wait, did the STD get cleared up, or is it one of those that kinda lingers....... :scared:



:smoke:

[lumberjack_jeff]

17. Stereotype bingo!

You win!

[WinkyDink]

21. Women might go where large groups of men gather? I'm shocked. SHOCKED.

Now tell me which ones are the willing customers?

[Brickbat]

25. The idea of prostitutes tromping through the woods all bundled up and in blaze orange

is cracking my shit up, frankly. It would be annoying and offensive if it weren't so funny. :rofl:

[ensho]

30. don't be a dip - they are not in the woods

how naive can you all be.

years ago when I was living up north this info was in a newspaper article.

if the women made money back then off hunters, then they still are today.

[Crystal Clarity]

35. In all my years of door to door canvassing

during hunting season in a well known area of destination for hunters (NMW) I've never seen or even heard anecdotal stories of prostitutes. I suppose it could happen, but doubt it does. Knowing the area as well as I do, I don't see how it'd be financially lucrative enough (even for the gas money) to travel this far north. They'd have to find prostitutes among the ranks of the local population and while I believe that may be possible, the demographics of the area would make it tough.

I mentioned this OP to my SO who has hunted all of his life and his response was basically :wtf: and then... :rofl:

[JVS]

33. Do they make hotpants in that color?

[Pavulon]

76. Hooters orange is pretty close. All the places I hunt all the quality women

seem to have left to go to college or get gainful employment. This is from a quick survey done while driving through towns.

[X_Digger]

34. Campers and hikers wouldn't have as much public lands to enjoy without hunters..

Licenses plus the federal excise tax on firearms, ammunition, and various hunting equipment make over $3.5 million dollars every day that goes directly for maintenance of these lands.

Google Pittman Robertson Act of 1937.

[Scout]

39. yes, well too bad campers and hikers can't enjoy the public lands

because some asshole might shoot them instead of the deer....

[X_Digger]

41. Yet accidental shootings are down.

Fancy that.

[Scout]

51. one is too many when you're the victim....

just because numbers "are down" (according to you) doesn't mean people are free to enjoy the outdoors without the fear of being shot by some asshole.

[X_Digger]

52. You do understand, don't you..

.. that there would be damned few 'outdoors' areas for people to enjoy without hunters, yes?

The USFWS purchases land with the monies gathered, locking them away from development, then turns it over to the state wildlife agencies to manage. Without those monies, you'd be seeing another strip mall or housing development, not a state park.

[Scout]

55. You do understand, don't you ...

that we can't enjoy them now anyway, so they may not as well even be there.

and i really, really doubt that without hunters we wouldn't have any nature areas to enjoy.

[X_Digger]

58. $3.5 million dollars per day

Try making up a $1.3 billion shortfall for wildlife conservation and see how much land is turned over to developers.

And it's really not my problem if you wet yourself over the thought of going in the woods where there might be ebil pplz wif gunz.

[Ghost in the Machine]

65. You do understand, don't you...

that hunting season is only a couple of months, but the lands are open year round to campers, hikers, etc?

Simple solution.. use it the other 10 months out of the year and stay out when the hunters, whose money pays for the land anyways, are there.

Maybe all the hunters should start demanding that their wildlife departments start issuing camping and hiking licenses.. would you gladly pay for one?

[uncommon]

37. Hunting should be to feed people, not for sport. That's sick.

Shooting animals for fun is just fucked up.

[Statistical]

44. Can't it be both? n/t

[Codeine]

40. Hunting Event. nt

[dionysus]

53. ROFL

:spray:

[NeedleCast]

59. Win!

[SidDithers]

42. Unrec...

Is this a thread about hunting, or a thread about prostitution?

Or does prostitution have some special relationship to hunting?

Or is all just nonsense?

Sid

[rocktivity]

47. My bad

I thought this was about Tiger Woods playing for the Ryder Cup this weekend!

:blush:
rocktivity

[deaniac21]

50. Love when someone expounds on a topic where they don't have

even a basic knowledge or understanding. It's just that all those cute animals are getting killed :shrug:

[proteus_lives]

57. My brother-in-law will bring in deer this year.

Good eating.

[Codeine]

61. Mine is bringing in a prostitute.

Honestly, fairly mediocre eating.

[proteus_lives]

62. You get what you pay for.

[Taverner]

66. Hunting - the equipment, the guns, the gear, the gas and cars - is big business

Lots of moneyed interests would like to make sure people buy stuff to go hunting...

[sylveste]

78. yeah so?

lots of moneyed interests hope people play putt putt golf.

[Taverner]

79. Not judging - just explaining why so much Huntering Marketing

[Fla_Democrat]

68. "so you are wondering why I added prostitutes to the mix."

Does it have anything to do with your sig line? :smoke:


:smoke:

[laylah]

69. Your point?

My dad hunted to subsidize food for his family. We always ate what was killed. I don't understand your snark.

Jenn

[The Straight Story]

72. Your ignorance and bias are showing (nt)

[blueamy66]

73. Hunt away hunters.

But eat what you kill. Use the hides. Don't just slap the head on your den wall.

AND DON'T CAMP IN AN RV WITH A MICROWAVE AND CABLE TV. If you're gonna catch your dinner the way they caught their dinner 100+ years ago......do it the same way.

:-)