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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 02:53 PM Original message |
What Teacher Tenure Is — And What It’s Not |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
1. But it's so much easier... |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. K&R |
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goddess40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
3. It's management not the unions fault for keeping poor teachers |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. This occurs more often than we would like to believe. Getting along with the boss always trumps |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
4. I wonder what... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Interesting question |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. k & r |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
8. A teacher in New York told an eighth grader "You have a sexy body". |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Utter bullshit |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. So why didn't they fire this guy? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:37 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. You're going to have to ask them that |
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wcast (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Did you even bother to read the article you linked to? |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. From the article... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. "The DOE says" |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Might as well ask Wal-Mart for an opinion on unions |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 12:29 AM Response to Reply #11 |
38. I have a hard time believing that any teacher gets 100 grand in this country. nt |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 12:56 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I'm guessing that's an "administrator" salary, or that they had a lot of years in. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 03:55 PM Response to Reply #11 |
49. I don't know. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. The real question is this: |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Management fucks up, blames tenure laws and evil unions. MSM parrots the excuses. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 02:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
43. Well, from my very anecdotal direct experience |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. Even though you didn't read the OP, I read your link. |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
20. Most American workers have the right to bargain collectively |
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Nevernose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
52. Maybe you should join a union |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
10. Who cares about tenure??/ WE are talking about educating kids. This is a red |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Who is "WE?" |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. What LWolf said |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
16. Tenure or not |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. LOL |
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wcast (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I swear, post a link about education, and they come out of the woodwork |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. We have too many who believe that going to school means they are qualified to be a critic |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 05:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Can you honestly tell me |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 05:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. I am related to plenty of teachers |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. "my mom is a teachers" Is our childrens learning? nt |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. You do not agree that they are bad teachers? |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 08:49 AM Response to Reply #26 |
55. I guess you do agree. NT |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 05:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. As much as the OP irritates me, |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 05:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. I never said that all teachers were bad, just that some are |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. My experience tell me that such teachers are an infinitesimally small percentage. nt |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 02:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Not mine |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 05:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Think about what you are saying for a moment |
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hendo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 06:17 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. No, some teachers become incompetent over a period of time |
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MajorChode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 06:36 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. That hasn't been my experience managing other professionals |
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AlecBGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 06:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I agree 100% |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 02:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. Are the apathetic and lazy kids of shitty parents educable or not? |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 03:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Because they can teach the kids who want to learn. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:16 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Well, there we go |
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mistertrickster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
37. As a former NEA president at my school, my understanding of tenure only insures |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Right. That's "job security for life" |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #41 |
57. Well, heaven forbid any employee in this country |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. I love labor unions. I wish I were in one. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
40. How is "cannot be let go on a whim" NOT "job security for life"? |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
45. Somewhat... |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #45 |
58. Sigh..... |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
47. I got out of public school teaching for how these reforms played-out in FL |
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masmdu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 09:18 AM Response to Reply #47 |
56. Just curious...where did you 'bugout' to? |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:50 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. UAE, for a new job |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
51. An example of why teacher tenure is important: |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 10:35 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. According to some of the Brain Trust around here |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
53. 98% of probationary hires in the Los Angeles school district achieve tenure |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 06:45 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. My college did its faculty like that |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-28-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
62. if that's the case (& i don't necessarily buy it since it's the la times saying so, in fact, |
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