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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 06:17 PM Original message |
NC "Strategic Staffing Initiative": Dramatic test score gains at a Charlotte elementary school. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
1. without the context of what happened to the general test average over that time |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. On grade-level tests, isn't there always an implied median of 50 percent every year? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 06:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. no |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 06:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. 'I will admit it sounds like an impressive gain'. So you agree you ARE splitting hairs here-- |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
21. they may have |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. You seem to be mixing percentages and percentage points. I read the reading increase |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. percentage points is what is relevent |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Self-delete |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. the percentages in your post is percent of kids who passed |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Say that again ten times, quickly |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. lol |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
5. Seems to me this NC initiative is a high profile test for the 'Teachers are NOT the problem' doctrin... |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
6. In other words--dramatically raising teacher pay ($20k) produces results. |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. No--raising the pay of ineffective teachers is not what was done here. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:35 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Why did the "highly effective" teachers require more money? |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Yep, my thoughts exactly. When you're getting a bonus of $20k |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. 20k over three years---that's a reasonable bonus. n/t |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Any means necessary |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Whether bribes or bonused, they appeared to have worked at Sterling Elementary |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. IMO most likely they would have stayed where they were without strong incentive |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Was the bonus money contingent upon improving test scores? |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. That's an excellent point. When careful evaluations of the NC initiattive take place, |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. To answer your 1st question, it seems to me they got the extra money just for moving |
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hayu_lol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Most of us already know that 'teaching to the test' is not... |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:07 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. 'Teaching to the test ... has failed in every state'. How would one know? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
16. Not enough information |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 08:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. This is a high profile initiative. Try googling, or email NBC. What do you want to know? |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 10:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Kick! |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
17. This is a very interesting OP. Thank you n/t |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. I thought it would stimulate real discussion rather than just kneejerk reactions from |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I don't think mine was a knee jerk reaction |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-26-10 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
30. another bullshit "miracle" that will, like all the rest, eventually be revealed as fraud. |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. That's a very serious charge. Have there been fraud allegations by people in a |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. It is hard to say that is at the heart of NC's application when it is only |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-27-10 06:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Thanks. Do you have links? |
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