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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 08:54 PM
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Can someone point out in the following article where Biden refers to "liberal base"?
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 08:54 PM by still_one
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/121147-biden-to-democrats-stop-whining

The Hill conveniently titles the article: "Biden tells liberal base: 'Stop whining'"

but NO where in the article could I find where Biden use the word "liberal"

Now, maybe he did, but it sure isn't clear to me.

I have used the search facility on my browser, and cannot find Biden referring SPECIFICALLY to liberals as whiners

This seems like a piece that intentionally wants to MISREPRESENT. Could it be that Democrats are NOT as far behind in the polls as some corporate media hacks would like to believe, and they would perhaps like to create dissension?

I appreciate it if anyone can show me if he actually singled out liberals as "whining"


Thanks


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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 08:59 PM
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1. The actual quote makes the implication clearly:
Democrats should "remind our base constituency to stop whining and get out there and look at the alternatives. This president has done an incredible job. He’s kept his promises,"
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:01 PM
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3. No not at all. You can argue his points about incredible job and promises kept, that is valid
but he was NOT singling out liberals, he was telling ALL Democrats to cut out the whining

The hill is a right wing rag

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:05 PM
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5. That would be an interpretation I'd be happier with
nevertheless, given the previously established pattern, I think the implication is more likely to be perceived as another swipe at progressive constituencies.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:07 PM
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7. Here is a background on the thug who wrote the article, Mr. Fabian
http://www.thecornellreview.com/The_Cornell_Review/Jordan_Fabian.html

This is a right wing thug who does NOT care to report honestly on Democrats



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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:52 PM
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21. Other writers have filed similar stories and made similar inferences.
This one for instance has a different focus (though the headline could also be criticized, I suppose).

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2010/09/biden_tries_to.html
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:32 AM
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24. I think your link is a much more fair representation. If it is an opinion piece, that is one thing
however, if it is reported as news, I would like a pretty accurate description, and let the readers make their own inferences

I guess my real problem is the journalism today does NOT seem to have any problem separating news from editorial opinion


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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:01 PM
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2. We all know it's really the pragmatic moderate centrists who do all the whining..
Right?
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:03 PM
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4. it was obvious that he was talking about the centrists in the party
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 09:05 PM by frylock
it would be refreshing if just ONCE it was acknowledged that they're insulting the leftists rather than seeing the twisting involved in defending this shit. :eyes:
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:11 PM
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8. bullshit, this is written by fabian, a right wing hack. Go ahead take the bait
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 10:32 AM
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26. did he say it?
Edited on Tue Sep-28-10 10:32 AM by frylock
yes or no? i don't give a fuck who wrote it. it's a FUCKING QUOTE.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:06 PM
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6. Oh i get it
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 09:10 PM by ibegurpard
this is like when they were defending Gibbs by saying "no, no, he was referring to those specific professional leftists that want to eliminate the pentagon" even though no one could ever point to anyone who ever said anything like that.
stop trying to play parsing games.
it's a stupid fucking strategy and the only conclusion you can reach is that they WANT to lose or they really ARE stupid.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:12 PM
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9. No, Gibbs was an accurate quote, this is from fabian, a right wing hack. go ahead fall in line
with the misrepresentation, that is what they want

http://www.thecornellreview.com/The_Cornell_Review/Jordan_Fabian.html

then tell me who is getting played for a sucker

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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:13 PM
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10. then Biden should sue him for misquoting
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:15 PM
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12. sue him for WHAT! Politicans CANNOT sue. WHERE ARE THE DAMAGES. Do you know the law?
you want to believe fabian, go right ahead, be my guest

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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:16 PM
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14. ok fine...was he misquoted?
you're saying he made up something that Biden didn't say?
Call his office and point that out to them.
I'm sure they'd be interested to know that someone is out there making shit up and attributing it to him in print.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:25 PM
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19. Maybe I will, however, all I was really trying to say is that I feel like we are being jacked around
by both sides, and I have no problem calling them on it like in the gibbs incident, but I get upset when I suspect a right wing writer tries to manipulate us

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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:14 PM
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11. Biden should have just said the so-called "liberal base" needs to quit whining
and complaining and bitching and moaning and get in the game.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:16 PM
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13. He didn't use the word "liberal base", fabian did to misrepresent the point /nt
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:18 PM
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15. Biden didn't but I do
Biden should too.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:19 PM
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17. ok, I was just making the point how some are so eager to jump to conclusions /nt
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:19 PM
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16. When we all know Biden was talking about the pragmatic moderate centrists..
Perhaps you should take Joe's advice and quit whining about this article.

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:22 PM
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18. OK. Then we'll wait for Biden's clarification tomorrow morning.
I can wait.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 09:27 PM
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20. He probably isn't even aware of the misrepresentation, since jordan fabian wrote this
fabian is a person with an agenda. Articles from the hill do not make news. The hill however will take articles from other sources and exploit them for their own purposes

http://www.thecornellreview.com/The_Cornell_Review/Jordan_Fabian.html
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:34 AM
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25. Biden won't clarify anything other than to say he meant all Democrats
No one is going to ask him if he was referring to "liberal" base, since he didn't use the word liberal, it was the author taking editorial liberties

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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 11:01 PM
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22. Ooh, the liberal base!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-10 12:12 AM
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23. Just so you are clear, "liberal base" was NOT used by Biden, it was used by the writer
Edited on Tue Sep-28-10 12:19 AM by still_one
who is a right wing shrill named jordan fabian

http://www.thecornellreview.com/The_Cornell_Review/Jordan_Fabian.html

What Biden said is the "ALL Democrats should settle their differences and stop whining"

I know that it may not be a fine distinction to some, but their is a reason the author intentionally misrepresented Biden as singling out liberals, and it wasn't to help Democrats settle their differences, but to try to cause just the opposite, and if you judge by the reaction here, it is having the desired effect

Here is the Huffington's Post version with that distinction, that the shrill jordan didn't bother with

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/27/joe-biden-stop-whining-democratic-base_n_741160.html





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